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Well, you say that you don't mind some criticism so I will give you some. Be glad that you no longer serve. It is not currently a noble profession. When you live in a nation that fights wars of agression against people who did nothing to your nation, you are NOT protecting our rights you are stomping on the rights of others. Nor is it our job to bring "justice" to the world with bombs. I am also a combat vet, so please don't get me wrong. I know that many Vets believed that what they were doing was for the good. Their intentions are honorable, however they were actually being used for evil.
I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.
John Locke
You are better off to be out of it. Go and live your life in peace. But keep in mind that someday you might still be needed to protect our country from an actual threat even as a civilian. Hopefully this day will never come, but if it does, I will be at your side.
I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.
John Locke
You are better off to be out of it. Go and live your life in peace. But keep in mind that someday you might still be needed to protect our country from an actual threat even as a civilian. Hopefully this day will never come, but if it does, I will be at your side.
Someone's been reading a lot of Leakapedia.
I've been deployed multiple times through-out my career
and never fired on anyone that wasn't firing at me. I also
distinctly remember the women and children thanking me for
giving them the ability to get educated in the schools we
built for them, and the ability to wear and say whatever they
liked without getting beat for it.
It's easy to watch the media and assume we're going where
we aren't welcome... but it's another thing entire to actually
be there getting thanked for it.
I've been deployed multiple times through-out my career
and never fired on anyone that wasn't firing at me. I also
distinctly remember the women and children thanking me for
giving them the ability to get educated in the schools we
built for them, and the ability to wear and say whatever they
liked without getting beat for it.
It's easy to watch the media and assume we're going where
we aren't welcome... but it's another thing entire to actually
be there getting thanked for it.
I loved that McCordRM. We share a lot of the same views! Thank you for serving our country!
I don't get my info from leakapedia. I get my experience from two combat deployments. I don't care if you shot someone first or shot them when they were trying to shoot you. If you were in Iraq YOU didn't belong in their country. It's like saying you shot a bank gaurd because he was drawing a beed on you while you robbed the bank. As for kids thanking you, those same kids will grow up someday and be the ones shooting at you. I remember being surrounded by kids that seemed to love us. They begged for Chocolate and just about anything from inside an MRE. But eventually you end up kicking in their door and draging one of their parents out. Or you do this to one of their neighbors. Then the kids don't like you much anymore. Sorry I been their and done that. I am not trying to be rude but I will say how I feel. I understand the sacrifices that our service men and woman make however, they are not making these sacrifices to make us free or for those women and children. They are being used by a corrupt and evil government. We have invaded a nation that did nothing to us. Saddam was telling the truth and we were the ones lying. We were not mistaken we were lying. How many women and children couldn't thank you because they are dead or fled the nation. We blow up their school and rebuild them for the kids who didn't get killed. I'm not going to thank you for that. I am not going to thank you for killing someone who was trying to kick you out of a country you had no business terrorizing. I would like to thank you for serving our country, but no matter what your intentions, that is not what you were doing when you were deployed multiple times.
This is your quote
"Take personal safety. If someone breaks into my home, they're catching a bullet. If I hear them breaking into my home then I'll say something: "Who's there," or "I've got a gun". Not that I expect to scare them off with my manly, intimidating voice... it's more that I know I'll sleep like a baby after putting them down".
During your deployment it was you who was breaking into their home. They didn't come here and break into your home.
"Which is why, for the violent criminals- those that not only take, but harm- I'm all for the death penalty. We don't think twice about putting down a rabid dog, but a violent human being- by far the most dangerous animal on the planet- we're expected to show pity to. I make it no secret that I'm pretty barbaric in my thinking, but when combating a barbaric mentality, such as that found in the mind of the murderer"
Does it really matter that you were following orders? That didn't fly at Nuremberg and it doesn't even fly accoring to the UCMJ you are not supposed to follow illegal orders right? So wouldn't it be your duty to refuse to deploy to a nation and kill people who were no threat to us? Do you think you have the right as a civilian to go to Iraq and shoot men because you don't like how they treat women?
It's rather Ironic that you go on and on about how people are free to worship as they choose. But at the same time you dog out the beliefs of Islam. "The first time I saw McDonalds as a two-building arrangement- one for men only, the other for families- I could hardly believe it. I've read the history books and I know that such persecution has existed, even in our own country, but to see it still exist in this day and age... ".
Then you say this.
"The gay guys can go on dating each other and I don't have to get involved. And besides, I don't find fat women attractive, either... but I can't remember anyone telling guys they can't date fat women; let alone passing a Law saying they can't.
The other thing about respect is that it works both ways. When I say that homosexuality between men disgusts me, I get labeled a gay basher, or some other such nonsense. Somehow, we fail to distinguish the difference between disagreement and hatred".
I don't care how you feel about "Fat Women" or that gays personally discust you or that your nice enough to put up with it. You labeled this section "Respect" I was trying to be respectfull to you while pointing out my opinion. You can see how well that turned out. You turned around and said that I must be watching to much media and leakapedia. Sorry but that isn't exactly respectfull. Like it or not I am also a member of what you call the military familly. Just because I feel very differently than you doesn't make it respectfull to say that basically I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I do know, in fact I know all too well exactly what combat is. I have picked up the dead, I have smelt the stench of burning flesh and heard the wail of anguish from the women and children. I did lose friends and fellow soldiers as well as helped patch them up.
Respectfully you can take your smug website and peddle it someplace else. I can't even say I thank you for your intentions because from what I read you were serving more to prove a point that you could be a man regardless of your size. Giving what it takes to put up a website strickly dedicated to your own self aggrandizement you clearly are still working with that issue.
Peace!
"Take personal safety. If someone breaks into my home, they're catching a bullet. If I hear them breaking into my home then I'll say something: "Who's there," or "I've got a gun". Not that I expect to scare them off with my manly, intimidating voice... it's more that I know I'll sleep like a baby after putting them down".
During your deployment it was you who was breaking into their home. They didn't come here and break into your home.
"Which is why, for the violent criminals- those that not only take, but harm- I'm all for the death penalty. We don't think twice about putting down a rabid dog, but a violent human being- by far the most dangerous animal on the planet- we're expected to show pity to. I make it no secret that I'm pretty barbaric in my thinking, but when combating a barbaric mentality, such as that found in the mind of the murderer"
Does it really matter that you were following orders? That didn't fly at Nuremberg and it doesn't even fly accoring to the UCMJ you are not supposed to follow illegal orders right? So wouldn't it be your duty to refuse to deploy to a nation and kill people who were no threat to us? Do you think you have the right as a civilian to go to Iraq and shoot men because you don't like how they treat women?
It's rather Ironic that you go on and on about how people are free to worship as they choose. But at the same time you dog out the beliefs of Islam. "The first time I saw McDonalds as a two-building arrangement- one for men only, the other for families- I could hardly believe it. I've read the history books and I know that such persecution has existed, even in our own country, but to see it still exist in this day and age... ".
Then you say this.
"The gay guys can go on dating each other and I don't have to get involved. And besides, I don't find fat women attractive, either... but I can't remember anyone telling guys they can't date fat women; let alone passing a Law saying they can't.
The other thing about respect is that it works both ways. When I say that homosexuality between men disgusts me, I get labeled a gay basher, or some other such nonsense. Somehow, we fail to distinguish the difference between disagreement and hatred".
I don't care how you feel about "Fat Women" or that gays personally discust you or that your nice enough to put up with it. You labeled this section "Respect" I was trying to be respectfull to you while pointing out my opinion. You can see how well that turned out. You turned around and said that I must be watching to much media and leakapedia. Sorry but that isn't exactly respectfull. Like it or not I am also a member of what you call the military familly. Just because I feel very differently than you doesn't make it respectfull to say that basically I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I do know, in fact I know all too well exactly what combat is. I have picked up the dead, I have smelt the stench of burning flesh and heard the wail of anguish from the women and children. I did lose friends and fellow soldiers as well as helped patch them up.
Respectfully you can take your smug website and peddle it someplace else. I can't even say I thank you for your intentions because from what I read you were serving more to prove a point that you could be a man regardless of your size. Giving what it takes to put up a website strickly dedicated to your own self aggrandizement you clearly are still working with that issue.
Peace!
I'm failing to understand what your problem is, exactly.
Am I proud I served? Yep. Do I have opinions that I'm not afraid to make public? Yep.
As for what I did during my service in the military, I did it because I was serving. I'm not privy to the Intel
the President has access to, and so unlike you, I do not make assumptions about where our military is
needed.
I accused you of reading leakapedia because something tells me you did not get your information by sitting
on the President's council, or being privy to his level of Intel. If I'm wrong, and you do indeed know as much
as the President, then I humbly apologize. While you took my comment as disrespectful of your "opinion", you
stated it as fact as though you know better than me... and you called me smug?
I base my views on what I know and what I've seen with my own eyes. I have no idea where you get your
views from.
Am I proud I served? Yep. Do I have opinions that I'm not afraid to make public? Yep.
As for what I did during my service in the military, I did it because I was serving. I'm not privy to the Intel
the President has access to, and so unlike you, I do not make assumptions about where our military is
needed.
I accused you of reading leakapedia because something tells me you did not get your information by sitting
on the President's council, or being privy to his level of Intel. If I'm wrong, and you do indeed know as much
as the President, then I humbly apologize. While you took my comment as disrespectful of your "opinion", you
stated it as fact as though you know better than me... and you called me smug?
I base my views on what I know and what I've seen with my own eyes. I have no idea where you get your
views from.
I told you exactly were I got my opinions from. On the ground right next to the people dying. As for smug that is what I think your website is. Are you kidding me? You find the need to post an entire website that is completly based on you, on that site you say you love America because people have the right to criticize you, then you whine when someone does just that? I found it to be smug as hell. That's what I thought of it. In my opinion what you posted was spam. It's a link to your website that is all about you and your opinions. So if you make your opinions open to the public and feel the need to post them on this site I will give you my opinion.
To be honest I don't think you saw much combat. I really don't know anyone who has, who would put up a website like yours. Tell me the truth, did you really shoot anyone? Because if you did and you still have the attitude you do I find it hard to believe. Not one single person I served with was proud to kill anyone. Not one, none of them. You act a lot like other REMF's that I know who want to act like they are a big man who was proud to kill people but actually didn't see spit.
I was a straight up infantry grunt then a Ranger and then SF. None of us are happy that we did what we did. Not one of us who was forced to take a life brags about it. At least not in front of me.
You wan't to know why you really tick me off? It's because I don't want some kid to read your post or website and think it's cool to sign up. It's NOT cool or manly it's horrible and if you had actually seen any real combat you would know it.
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Wow... you have issues. Seriously.
MY website. What part of that are you failing to understand? You act like I'm supposed to use MY website to talk about... what, exactly? I'm not whining about you criticizing my beliefs, I'm saying you come across as clueless.
This was my thread, talking about how I feel about MY service to this country. Just because you're sad and bitter about having served doesn't mean the rest of us have to be. And being MY website, I'm going to use it to post MY opinions and MY beliefs. Not to mention that you came into this thread to tell me I should be proud I'm NOT serving anymore... and then you have the audacity to call me smug?
But back to you being clueless... I never said I was proud of taking a life; I said I'm proud to have served. And yea, war is ugly, and people die. What, exactly, did you think you were signing up for when you joined? You sound like a child that cries when he discovers Santa Claus doesn't really exist. You thought you were signing up to wear a uniform and that was enough, but then you experienced war and the harsh reality of it... so now you cry about it and try to get others to cry with you.
Guess what? The world is NOT nice, and there are evil, cruel people out there. You obviously couldn't handle facing that realization. Great... go whine to someone else. I'm not your priest, your mommy, or your psychiatrist. So stop expecting me to let you cry on my shoulder. Nowhere on my website do I "brag" about taking lives, or do I describe war as some harmless chess match. If you feel like the harsh realities of the world were too much for you, then that's your problem, not mine. But stop acting like we should stand down our entire military just because you couldn't handle it.
You want to be a flower child? Knock yourself out. We need people preaching about peace. Hell, MOST of my website is about learning to respect the beliefs of others. But it also says that we're not there yet. Which means someone needs to be willing to face the dark side of the world. You saw it, and it was apparently too much for you. You accuse me of thinking it's "cool" to serve... I argue that it's not "cool", it's necessary. Someone has to be willing to do it. If you don't like how we're doing it, or where we're doing it, fine. Go vote for someone else to make those decisions, or run for office and make those decisions yourself. But for the love of God, grow some balls and stop crying about having had to serve just because it's a mean, cruel world out there. If it scarred you, get help. But don't think it's all going to go away just because you didn't like it.
Just one more thing:
If anyone asks me if they should serve, I tell them to make that decision for their self. You say it pisses you off that someone may feel "manly" or "cool" about serving... well, I would rather them feel proud of it than become the broken, sad person you've become. I'm sorry your fairytale world of peace and love doesn't exist yet, and I'm sorry you were "forced" to see it for what it really is. My issue with you isn't that you can't handle my being proud of my service, or that you disagree with me- something else my website makes a huge point on- it's that you refuse to acknowledge your own hypocrisy: you say I'm wrong, or "smug", for sharing my beliefs... yet here you are in my thread preaching your message of self-loathing and asking for pity because you regret your choice to serve, and all the harsh realities that came with it. I didn't force you to make your choices, you did that yourself. So take responsibility for it and quit trying to make other soldiers feel bad just because you do.
And that's all I have to say on the matter.
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MY website. What part of that are you failing to understand? You act like I'm supposed to use MY website to talk about... what, exactly? I'm not whining about you criticizing my beliefs, I'm saying you come across as clueless.
This was my thread, talking about how I feel about MY service to this country. Just because you're sad and bitter about having served doesn't mean the rest of us have to be. And being MY website, I'm going to use it to post MY opinions and MY beliefs. Not to mention that you came into this thread to tell me I should be proud I'm NOT serving anymore... and then you have the audacity to call me smug?
But back to you being clueless... I never said I was proud of taking a life; I said I'm proud to have served. And yea, war is ugly, and people die. What, exactly, did you think you were signing up for when you joined? You sound like a child that cries when he discovers Santa Claus doesn't really exist. You thought you were signing up to wear a uniform and that was enough, but then you experienced war and the harsh reality of it... so now you cry about it and try to get others to cry with you.
Guess what? The world is NOT nice, and there are evil, cruel people out there. You obviously couldn't handle facing that realization. Great... go whine to someone else. I'm not your priest, your mommy, or your psychiatrist. So stop expecting me to let you cry on my shoulder. Nowhere on my website do I "brag" about taking lives, or do I describe war as some harmless chess match. If you feel like the harsh realities of the world were too much for you, then that's your problem, not mine. But stop acting like we should stand down our entire military just because you couldn't handle it.
You want to be a flower child? Knock yourself out. We need people preaching about peace. Hell, MOST of my website is about learning to respect the beliefs of others. But it also says that we're not there yet. Which means someone needs to be willing to face the dark side of the world. You saw it, and it was apparently too much for you. You accuse me of thinking it's "cool" to serve... I argue that it's not "cool", it's necessary. Someone has to be willing to do it. If you don't like how we're doing it, or where we're doing it, fine. Go vote for someone else to make those decisions, or run for office and make those decisions yourself. But for the love of God, grow some balls and stop crying about having had to serve just because it's a mean, cruel world out there. If it scarred you, get help. But don't think it's all going to go away just because you didn't like it.
Just one more thing:
If anyone asks me if they should serve, I tell them to make that decision for their self. You say it pisses you off that someone may feel "manly" or "cool" about serving... well, I would rather them feel proud of it than become the broken, sad person you've become. I'm sorry your fairytale world of peace and love doesn't exist yet, and I'm sorry you were "forced" to see it for what it really is. My issue with you isn't that you can't handle my being proud of my service, or that you disagree with me- something else my website makes a huge point on- it's that you refuse to acknowledge your own hypocrisy: you say I'm wrong, or "smug", for sharing my beliefs... yet here you are in my thread preaching your message of self-loathing and asking for pity because you regret your choice to serve, and all the harsh realities that came with it. I didn't force you to make your choices, you did that yourself. So take responsibility for it and quit trying to make other soldiers feel bad just because you do.
And that's all I have to say on the matter.
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Well didn't you tell me off? (LOL) Honestly YOU posted a link to a Website all about you and not one other single thing in the world. It's spam and it's smug. Honestly who in the hell puts up a website dedicated to themselves? Can't you see that this would seem smug? As for my life I handled it just fine, in fact I help others handle the trauma they went through as well. It's not just that I saw combat it's that I also deal with Returning Vets who have some much more serious problems than you. You come on hear whining about getting kicked out and how bitter you were blah blah blah.
Honestly if you can't see why it's smug to put up a website dedicated to YOU then I don't know what else to say. As for it pumping up the Army you are doing that. And I'll repeat it again. I don't want to see kids reading your love afair with the military that went slightly bad and think that's what it's really like to be in Combat. Again I don't think you ever saw any real combat and I don't believe you ever killed anyone although you claim to have shot at people. I don't remember exactly what you said but it was something like. "I have only shot at people who were shooting at me" you also made it sound as if this happened to you more than a few times and that this is normal procedure for the Army. That's BS and you would know it if you were an Infantry Soldier of any kind. WE DO SHOOT PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SHOOTING AT US. WE KICK IN DOORS AND GUN PEOPLE DOWN IT'S WHAT WE DO. You made it sould as if going to combat was like trying to be in the Peace Corps were all you do is go to countries and help the poor people out and defend yourself if you have to. That is what ticks me off. If you don't know what the hell we actually do, keep your mouth shut about it. You are giving people who read this a completely innacurate discription of what war is. I talked about what war really is because if a kid reads this they should know what it's really like, not some fairy tail version like you posted. There are enough kids who already join up thinking it's going to be like a video game and now you would have them joining up thinking it's some Peace thing were they will get to run around helping children and getting thanks and love and kisses. That's BS or at the very least a incomplete discription.
You don't say one damn thing about the horrors of war on your website. Don't you think you would if you had actually seen any? Do you actually understand how irresponsible it is to give kids a line like you have? I have three kids and one grandchild I don't want them to ever join, but if they do I sure as hell want them to know the truth about what it is they are getting themselves into. You didn't say you have kids so I suspect you don't actually understand what it is to be a parent and not want your kids to go through something as horrible as war.
As for being bitter, sure I am mad that I was used. However, I'm not bitter about my life. My life is great. I have been married to the same woman for 22 years. I have great kids. I own my own home and property all free and clear I don't owe a cent to anyone. I love what I do for a living and I love my country as well. I have great friends and neighbors. My point is that I think your mistaking my Anger at you, for painting a happy face on a horror, for being bitter and unhappy with my life, I'm not. If I had to guess I would say I have a better life than 90% of the people around. And one the reasons I said for you to be glad to be shut of the military is that you have your whole life ahead of you as well. You don't need the military to make you a man. Just be a man. In fact the military keeps a lot of kids from ever really growing into men. They cook for them and make sure they pay their bills, they give them healthcare and dental and eye care they tell them when to shave and when to do damn near everything. So now is your chance to grow up. Get out there and make something of yourself instead of spending it boo hooing about getting put out by your Mommy the Military.
Honestly if you can't see why it's smug to put up a website dedicated to YOU then I don't know what else to say. As for it pumping up the Army you are doing that. And I'll repeat it again. I don't want to see kids reading your love afair with the military that went slightly bad and think that's what it's really like to be in Combat. Again I don't think you ever saw any real combat and I don't believe you ever killed anyone although you claim to have shot at people. I don't remember exactly what you said but it was something like. "I have only shot at people who were shooting at me" you also made it sound as if this happened to you more than a few times and that this is normal procedure for the Army. That's BS and you would know it if you were an Infantry Soldier of any kind. WE DO SHOOT PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SHOOTING AT US. WE KICK IN DOORS AND GUN PEOPLE DOWN IT'S WHAT WE DO. You made it sould as if going to combat was like trying to be in the Peace Corps were all you do is go to countries and help the poor people out and defend yourself if you have to. That is what ticks me off. If you don't know what the hell we actually do, keep your mouth shut about it. You are giving people who read this a completely innacurate discription of what war is. I talked about what war really is because if a kid reads this they should know what it's really like, not some fairy tail version like you posted. There are enough kids who already join up thinking it's going to be like a video game and now you would have them joining up thinking it's some Peace thing were they will get to run around helping children and getting thanks and love and kisses. That's BS or at the very least a incomplete discription.
You don't say one damn thing about the horrors of war on your website. Don't you think you would if you had actually seen any? Do you actually understand how irresponsible it is to give kids a line like you have? I have three kids and one grandchild I don't want them to ever join, but if they do I sure as hell want them to know the truth about what it is they are getting themselves into. You didn't say you have kids so I suspect you don't actually understand what it is to be a parent and not want your kids to go through something as horrible as war.
As for being bitter, sure I am mad that I was used. However, I'm not bitter about my life. My life is great. I have been married to the same woman for 22 years. I have great kids. I own my own home and property all free and clear I don't owe a cent to anyone. I love what I do for a living and I love my country as well. I have great friends and neighbors. My point is that I think your mistaking my Anger at you, for painting a happy face on a horror, for being bitter and unhappy with my life, I'm not. If I had to guess I would say I have a better life than 90% of the people around. And one the reasons I said for you to be glad to be shut of the military is that you have your whole life ahead of you as well. You don't need the military to make you a man. Just be a man. In fact the military keeps a lot of kids from ever really growing into men. They cook for them and make sure they pay their bills, they give them healthcare and dental and eye care they tell them when to shave and when to do damn near everything. So now is your chance to grow up. Get out there and make something of yourself instead of spending it boo hooing about getting put out by your Mommy the Military.
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They made sense after a couple of martinis.
Today I feel this conversation is none of my business.
Statements withdrawn.
They made sense after a couple of martinis.
Today I feel this conversation is none of my business.
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