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Warm water bath works fine for me. I don't see where using the microwave is any different, it just has less margin for error. The key is to warm the juice without excessively heating the bottle.
I've lived in Texas before... It would probably be less damaging to the juice to just boil it or microwave it. j/k. LOL
one method of accelerated steeping that I'm currently trying with a very perfumey/chemical tasting (actually more like incense) juice is: squeeze the dripper bottle till the air is out of it, then let fresh air in, cap it, shake the bottle vigorously to let air bubbles form, repeat ad nauseum.
I've got a 30 ml bottle of "mad chai" that tastes strongly like cheap incense. My wife had some in a clearo that sat for at least a week, and it tastes much better than the stuff straight out of the bottle. I haven't tried it yet since I've been letting fresh air into it and shaking it (I started doing it about 2 days ago, done it for about 6 cycles so far). I'll let you know how that works out.
I've got a 30 ml bottle of "mad chai" that tastes strongly like cheap incense. My wife had some in a clearo that sat for at least a week, and it tastes much better than the stuff straight out of the bottle. I haven't tried it yet since I've been letting fresh air into it and shaking it (I started doing it about 2 days ago, done it for about 6 cycles so far). I'll let you know how that works out.
The best method I use when the juice is just too terrible to vape is to give it away.
I suggest the drive-by, pay-it-forward method.
Just look for a guy on a streetcorner holding a cardboard sign with "Will Work for Vape Juice"...slow down, roll down the window, throw it at him--hard! With luck, you'll add injury to the insult.
Just look for a guy on a streetcorner holding a cardboard sign with "Will Work for Vape Juice"...slow down, roll down the window, throw it at him--hard! With luck, you'll add injury to the insult.
I have something to bring to the party maybe.
I think there's two different issues at play here:
1. The 'curing' of the juice itself (when combined with oxygen I presume, that's what everyone is aiming at by leaving the tops off, besides evaporating other chems)
2. The evaporation of unwanted additional chemicals from the juice.
I think the conversation so far primarily has been about speeding up the process of alleviating unwanted chemicals from out of the juice.
I took a different point of view, how can I quickly and easily introduce a large amount of oxygen to the juice to speed it's 'cure'. To allow large amounts of oxygen to come into contact with the majority of the juice quickly.
Now, I have no data that backs this up, this is just a fun and quick idea that may or may not work, I just tried it the other day on a juice that was damn near un-vapable out of the box, but has gotten very favorable reviews.
So without any further ado, I bring you the Drak Dremel Tool Egg White Juicer Method.
The method in which oxygen is introduced to whip up egg whites or to make an Angel Food cake is to beat oxygen into the mix.
I think it needs no explanation, the juice in question is 100%VG, not picked because of that, but picked for it's narsty aroma out of the box and I want to vape it soon.
Sorry, no video, you can let your imagination fill in the blanks, or grab a dremel tool and try it for yourself.
I picked that bit (which is a router bit) simply because it would fit into the bottle. The other bit laying on the counter would be my preference if I could fit it in.
I pondered the idea of getting a slightly larger bottle to accomodate, but I wanted to do it quickly and easily, so the smaller bit wins the day.
If you try this, you will need to have a steady hand and be perfectly straight up and down, make one wrong move and you'll have juice all over the place, but I did this to several bottles without any mishap, but I was focused because I didn't want to lose a 30ml of juice!
I left the top of the bottle off so the air could 're-escape' and the juice settle itself out, which it did in about 5-10 minutes.
Maybe totally useless, maybe mind-bendingly cool and innovative, I have no idea at this point yet.
Depending on the speed you have the dremel set at, you can have egg-whites in 30 seconds, or at a slower speed, just a good stir, up to you.
Have fun, stay safe.
I think there's two different issues at play here:
1. The 'curing' of the juice itself (when combined with oxygen I presume, that's what everyone is aiming at by leaving the tops off, besides evaporating other chems)
2. The evaporation of unwanted additional chemicals from the juice.
I think the conversation so far primarily has been about speeding up the process of alleviating unwanted chemicals from out of the juice.
I took a different point of view, how can I quickly and easily introduce a large amount of oxygen to the juice to speed it's 'cure'. To allow large amounts of oxygen to come into contact with the majority of the juice quickly.
Now, I have no data that backs this up, this is just a fun and quick idea that may or may not work, I just tried it the other day on a juice that was damn near un-vapable out of the box, but has gotten very favorable reviews.
So without any further ado, I bring you the Drak Dremel Tool Egg White Juicer Method.
The method in which oxygen is introduced to whip up egg whites or to make an Angel Food cake is to beat oxygen into the mix.
I think it needs no explanation, the juice in question is 100%VG, not picked because of that, but picked for it's narsty aroma out of the box and I want to vape it soon.
Sorry, no video, you can let your imagination fill in the blanks, or grab a dremel tool and try it for yourself.
I picked that bit (which is a router bit) simply because it would fit into the bottle. The other bit laying on the counter would be my preference if I could fit it in.
I pondered the idea of getting a slightly larger bottle to accomodate, but I wanted to do it quickly and easily, so the smaller bit wins the day.
If you try this, you will need to have a steady hand and be perfectly straight up and down, make one wrong move and you'll have juice all over the place, but I did this to several bottles without any mishap, but I was focused because I didn't want to lose a 30ml of juice!
I left the top of the bottle off so the air could 're-escape' and the juice settle itself out, which it did in about 5-10 minutes.
Maybe totally useless, maybe mind-bendingly cool and innovative, I have no idea at this point yet.
Depending on the speed you have the dremel set at, you can have egg-whites in 30 seconds, or at a slower speed, just a good stir, up to you.
Have fun, stay safe.
Wow, that's a cool idea! Bring a lot of air bubbles into the juice, kinda like the concept of an aquarium bubbler and those stones that put out a .... ton of little bubbles. Hmm, you'd need a hugee amount of juice to use one of them. But it'd be an interesting concept for suppliers to send out a more readied product rather than having a new customer recieve a juice and immediately throw it out or give it away.
The idea is totally open to (hopefully positively oriented) commentary and customization.
When I thought of it, I thought it would be a cool idea to find some plastic 'spoon' to stir it with instead of metal (commented on in the RY4 thread) and I did a quick walk-through in Wall-mart looking for something under a dollar that I could use as a stirrer instead of the router bit (I was thinking an arm borrowed from Barbie or Ken, haha!), but after looking around awhile and not finding anything, I said to hell with it and just proceeded to use what I had in front of me.
The speed controls everything, if you just want to mix it, just leave the Dremel tool on low, it won't aerate the mixture at all, on high, you've got whipped juice in no time flat, and all options in-between...so it's totally up to you how you want to play with or adapt the idea.
It's just an idea in it's kernel form right now, but I think it has a little bit of merit... somewhere...
The Primary Goal is to introduce as much oxygen to as much juice as possible, thus (hopefully) curing the juice much faster than normal.
This is different than just letting the unwanted chemical odors evaporate, this is addressing the 'settling', 'curing' 'mellowing' of the juice itself.
The alternative method to speed up the settling-curing-mellowing would be to pour out the juice on a large flat pan to try and equal the juice to oxygen ratio that is achieved by introducing the oxygen INTO the juice by this method. But I'm not going to do that, I'm going to do this.
Quoted from the RY4 thread:
Fair statement, then I wouldn't recommend you do it.
But since cartos are made of metal too, I don't see the problem, although I agree in theory a plastic (or actually glass, but that's pretty un-do-able I think) swiller would be better, and maybe I'll find just such an attachment, but plastic when and if heated enough, has it's own conundrums as well....
I also don't see where the fact that it's a metal bit is a deal-killer either, and this is just the initial quick first-test anyway.
But if you think it's harmful to you in any way, Don't Do It.
When I thought of it, I thought it would be a cool idea to find some plastic 'spoon' to stir it with instead of metal (commented on in the RY4 thread) and I did a quick walk-through in Wall-mart looking for something under a dollar that I could use as a stirrer instead of the router bit (I was thinking an arm borrowed from Barbie or Ken, haha!), but after looking around awhile and not finding anything, I said to hell with it and just proceeded to use what I had in front of me.
The speed controls everything, if you just want to mix it, just leave the Dremel tool on low, it won't aerate the mixture at all, on high, you've got whipped juice in no time flat, and all options in-between...so it's totally up to you how you want to play with or adapt the idea.
It's just an idea in it's kernel form right now, but I think it has a little bit of merit... somewhere...
The Primary Goal is to introduce as much oxygen to as much juice as possible, thus (hopefully) curing the juice much faster than normal.
This is different than just letting the unwanted chemical odors evaporate, this is addressing the 'settling', 'curing' 'mellowing' of the juice itself.
The alternative method to speed up the settling-curing-mellowing would be to pour out the juice on a large flat pan to try and equal the juice to oxygen ratio that is achieved by introducing the oxygen INTO the juice by this method. But I'm not going to do that, I'm going to do this.
Quoted from the RY4 thread:
Fair statement, then I wouldn't recommend you do it.
But since cartos are made of metal too, I don't see the problem, although I agree in theory a plastic (or actually glass, but that's pretty un-do-able I think) swiller would be better, and maybe I'll find just such an attachment, but plastic when and if heated enough, has it's own conundrums as well....
I also don't see where the fact that it's a metal bit is a deal-killer either, and this is just the initial quick first-test anyway.
But if you think it's harmful to you in any way, Don't Do It.
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Thanks for the microwave idea, Worked a treat for some disgusting ry4 I had , now its great
I thought to myself , If it made the ry4 taste good imagine what it would do for my fav juice ,
Sounds good in theory but now it too weak Oh well gotta try these things
I thought to myself , If it made the ry4 taste good imagine what it would do for my fav juice ,
Sounds good in theory but now it too weak
Oh well gotta try these things
Not a half bad idea there. Small < 10 gallon pumps are $10 or less, tube, and a small air stone. Then you would be all set.
Hmmm... I am wondering about oxidation of nicotine during that "bubbling" process.
What I do to steep my DIY juices is a combo of heat, air and cold....
First I warm a pot of water...Not boiling but hot
Then I use a glass bottle to put my ejuice in and heat ejuice for maybe 10-15sec.the juice should be hot but not so hot you burn yourself.
Then use a syringe to suck up the juice and push it back in the bottle over and over again till the juice is room temp.
I repeat these steps 2 to 3 times
After your done let the bottle and juice inside cool down till its room temp and i stick it in the freezer for about 5-10 mins depends on what size bottle your using....do not let the ejuice freeze and do not put a hot bottle in the freezer!
After you take your juice out of the freezer let it warm to room temp again and then your ready to vape.... waaalaaa.... instant steeping....it will taste like its been steeping for over a week
I do this after I mix my DIY and it works great
First I warm a pot of water...Not boiling but hot
Then I use a glass bottle to put my ejuice in and heat ejuice for maybe 10-15sec.the juice should be hot but not so hot you burn yourself.
Then use a syringe to suck up the juice and push it back in the bottle over and over again till the juice is room temp.
I repeat these steps 2 to 3 times
After your done let the bottle and juice inside cool down till its room temp and i stick it in the freezer for about 5-10 mins depends on what size bottle your using....do not let the ejuice freeze and do not put a hot bottle in the freezer!
After you take your juice out of the freezer let it warm to room temp again and then your ready to vape.... waaalaaa.... instant steeping....it will taste like its been steeping for over a week
I do this after I mix my DIY and it works great
I think all techniques are interesting, and there must be reasons behind why people do what they do.
A few questions:
I read another poster who stated 140 degree water for 5 minutes, just curious why only 15 seconds, what's the philosophy/idea behind that time, or why do you think longer is not better, or is your water closer to 160-180 degrees, thus bringing the juice into a hotter temp much faster?
Are you simply just trying to evaporate some binder chemical from the flavorant?
Am I correct or is there some other reason to continually suck/push juice?
I respect all methods, and would like to know the thinking behind them to see what in particular people are trying to achieve, maybe we can create some general rules of purpose here.
Thanks for posting that.
I used the 5-7 minute/140 degree method last night to some 30 ml bottles.
A few questions:
Why only 15 seconds?
I read another poster who stated 140 degree water for 5 minutes, just curious why only 15 seconds, what's the philosophy/idea behind that time, or why do you think longer is not better, or is your water closer to 160-180 degrees, thus bringing the juice into a hotter temp much faster?
Are you simply just trying to evaporate some binder chemical from the flavorant?
This sounds to me like an oxygen introduction idea, like my Dremel tool 'whipper', to bring a large quantity of oxygen into contact with as much juice as possible, to 'air it out'.
Am I correct or is there some other reason to continually suck/push juice?
Why do you do this step, what's the reasoning behind it, simply a quick-cool, or something else?
I respect all methods, and would like to know the thinking behind them to see what in particular people are trying to achieve, maybe we can create some general rules of purpose here.
Thanks for posting that.
I used the 5-7 minute/140 degree method last night to some 30 ml bottles.
I only heat it gently becasue nicotine is a very fragile and I dont want to destroy the nicotine. Nicotine is destroyed by light and heat...thats why u should store your ejuice in a cool place.
Yes the very same idea....just more people have a syringe and the dremel can be a hassle...but you can use it if you like...might work better.
Well heat expands the ejuice molecules and heating and cooling you force the molecules to expand and contract....forcing the molecules to mix better.... the freezer kind shocks the molecules close together locking in more flavor. Ive done it without the freezer part but IMO it works better with the freezer step...Im not sure why...lol
In theory what your doing by doing this is aging the juice
I respect all methods, and would like to know the thinking behind them to see what in particular people are trying to achieve, maybe we can create some general rules of purpose here.
Thanks for posting that.
I used the 5-7 minute/140 degree method last night to some 30 ml bottles.[/B]
No problem...hope it helps
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Happy to help....and just a thought for people using the 140 degree method ...
140 degrees is too hot for nicotine... What your doing is destroying it.
Nicotine has a almost burnt rubber taste to it....the higher quality nic juice you buy this taste is not as evident.
what you want in a good unflavored nic juice is it to be clear...like water or voldka. If it has a tint then its (A) old nic or (B) not as high quality.
So by heating your ejuice to 140 what your doing is destroying the nic....and less nic = less burnt taste making the flavoring stand out more. So if you use this method just try a lower nic because thats what your doing anyways.
140 degrees is too hot for nicotine... What your doing is destroying it.
Nicotine has a almost burnt rubber taste to it....the higher quality nic juice you buy this taste is not as evident.
what you want in a good unflavored nic juice is it to be clear...like water or voldka. If it has a tint then its (A) old nic or (B) not as high quality.
So by heating your ejuice to 140 what your doing is destroying the nic....and less nic = less burnt taste making the flavoring stand out more. So if you use this method just try a lower nic because thats what your doing anyways.
I think all anyone is trying to do is to 'cure' the juice to bring out the most flavor, seems like if you've vaped long enough, you've run into 'raw' juice, and people are probably just trying whatever makes sense to them, which is why I appreciate the feedback and methods so maybe we can come to a consensus as to what actually 'makes' good sense and what really doesn't.
That's why I believe, judging by what I've read, that there are 3 distinct issues to deal with:
1. Evaporating out/gassing off any unwanted chemicals (primarily from the flavorant I imagine?)
2. Curing the juice by exposing it to oxygen
3. Protecting the nicotine in the process
Unless I'm missing something, please let me know if I am...
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