Adventures of The Aro Tank/ Cotton warning.

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So, more weird updates from the strange camp:

A month or so back, I reviewed the Aro tank, and in my experience, I was utterly tee'd off at the fact that three heads in a row tasted "burnt" in my opinion (far more burnt than the burnt of Kanger heads), and that with the Smoktech coils, I found that my experience was common in how these heads are extremely hard to get apart, extremely hard to get back together, and even can get stuck on the base quite often. Many who use this tank said they had to keep pliers handy whenever fooling with it. And alas, the last head of mine got stuck on the base (no tight screwing at all, I'm very careful with that) and I simply gave up on it.

So I rinsed the head and base together, let it sit for awhile collecting dust, and tonight, I try to see if I can get a decent vape out of it. Luckily, the 3rd head was the only one where the head column seemed to want to go back on and off with ease, though the head was stuck on the base, so I inspect the coil, no signs of damage or bad wrapping (actually, the Smoktech heads are the best wrapped that I've seen in pre-builds, go figure...), but a few strands of flavor wicks fall out and get a little dusty, so I decide to leave the flavor wick thinner and use a thicker juice (as it did leave some gaps.)

Right away pretty much, even with my thickest juice, Caramel Swirl by VCV, %100 VG, it flooded (however, it did taste ok), so I had to take the base back off, use a twisted up paper towel to poke in the hole in the bottom of the base, slowly dry it out that way, do the same with the inner coil chamber, and get it nice and generally dry. I take some unboiled organic cotton (that indeed says "Cleaned with peroxide" on the bag), and make a little tiny flavor wick on top of the remaining silica wick. I try it out, and flooding is corrected.

For the continuing vapes, I still get a clean flavor, but like my experience with flavor wicking the Protank heads, just hardly any juice flavor at all. Seems to be wicking fine, no bad tastes, a lot of vapor. However, with vaping with both the silica and cotton flavor wicks (wicked where the cotton isn't touching the coil), right away, I get a very dusty feel in the mouth, and I start coughing like crazy. Literally, a cough after every puff. I start to feel my asthma flaring up, and generally, the small testing starts to give me a pretty bad coughing fit. In combination with the dusty feel in my mouth with the sudden addition of the cotton flavor wick, and with how the vapor started tasting ever so silghtly cotton-y with that wick added (where it didn't with the flooded yet only-silica test), I knew that this reaction was indeed from the chemicals or dust in the cotton.

On a positive note, I think it's something that I managed to get a clean vapor out of the Aro tank - I do think the Smoktech coils are just junk and I'm impressed with my ability to make them taste ok.

On a negative note, the one thing I want to say to everyone here, because really, I do care about others' health in the vaping world: I highly suggest everyone boil their cotton.

I know a lot of people don't boil their cotton, and it has me a little worried. I know that I'm the guy who has a sensitive throat like it's something unreal, but you know, really, if it effects me, it could end up effecting anyone. I'm probably one of the lightest smokers here, so that's probably why I'm the guy who's always tasting bad tastes and gagging on drier hits. But I have a human body just like everyone else.

At the end of the day, everyone's free to do what they wish, but I want to say that I'm personally not testing with cotton again until I put forth the effort to boil and clean it, and really, with my reaction to it - with just inserting a little cotton in a head on top of another silica flavor wick, the cotton not even touching the coil - I really want to shout out and say that, you know, to me, it seems there really are some feedoffs from the cotton, and that I couldn't sit with it and accept it as a healthy thing, for what it was doing to my breathing and coughing. I'm sure many out there have a tougher throat than I do, and have more of an eagerness to vape with whatever simply wicks the best for them, but all I'm saying is that I really, really, really suggest cleaning the cotton. Not trying to make a scare, just posting my reaction!

Bonus question: Like on another thread, I do not understand why both the Protank and Aro heads, at best, are only giving me such muted, non-existent flavor. It'd be different if it tasted dry or there was little vapor, but there's a lot of it, and the vape generally seems pretty cool and moist. Raising the voltage didn't do much other than give more taste and feel from the cotton. Anyone know any remedies for this? I've already tried making virtually the most microscopic cotton wick I can...
 
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Great advice. As a newbie I appreciate the warning about not boiling cotton. How long do you believe it should be boiled?

I boil mine for 15 minutes in distilled water then change the water and boil it another 15 minutes. Thats it. squeeze out most of the water fluff it a bit and let it air dry.
 

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Great advice. As a newbie I appreciate the warning about not boiling cotton. How long do you believe it should be boiled?

I do it three times - put in pot, bring to boil, Let it boil for a couple minutes, remove, strain and rinse (I have one of those water filters on my kitchen sink, so it's clean water), throw in fresh pot of water, repeat two more times. Let drain and dry in a clean plastic drainer (small plastic one from Target), then put it all in a large plastic ziploc. I did half a bag, it should be enough for quite a long times.

I saw some residue the first boil on the surface of the water, which could be remnants of peroxide or whatever they used to clean and sterilize it, or it's just cotton dust, which you don't want in your lungs either.
 

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So, just a little bonus info, with the first cotton addition, I was vaping on it, there was the cotton dust but the taste was very clean, even some hints of the juice I was using, but then after some puffs, it did start to flood a little again, using thick, %100 VG juice (which, again, I tried my best to make the smallest addition I could with the cotton). So, despite what would help the flavor, to continue the test, I had to add a little bit more cotton.

This time around, only a few vapes into it, I did start to get a dry hit with the cotton (not enough to be that gagging, eye-watering experience) but I finally, for the first time, did taste dry cotton and ew. It's more of an organic "ew" than silica, and seemed to be brought on much slower than silica seems to react, but I got some hints of it and it wasn't too pleasant - smoked a cigarette afterward, and the taste was really coming out in my mouth with the cigarette smoke, not tasty.

It's really these Protank-type heads though. I can't find a balance with them. If it's wicked well enough either with silica or cotton not to flood, then almost instantly, dry hits every time. If it's wicked well enough to wick and taste at least "clean", then it floods no matter what. On the first test, I was literally vaping with a completely flooded head, and it tasted great - the problem was that I think it was giving microshorts or something, as my battery connector was getting very hot, or else I'd have just continued vaping the flooded tank! Sure tasted fine, even all the way up to 4.1V's, only silica.

So that's why I think I've had horrible luck with PT-type heads. Really, these things have to be very wet, I actually have the best tastes out of them when the entire heads just flood, it'll taste clean for once. But then, with that, it seems to always screw with the power, causing some odd heating, and I doubt that's safe. If I barely adjust any tiny thing at all to slow down the wicking, complete dryness.

One thing I want to try is actually adding another full strand of silica as a flavor wick. The one thing I always notice about the flavor wicks, is that when juice is added, they splay and spread out everywhere on the head, which, when that juice gets build up between the fray and around it, this would seem to cause the head to flood as soon as the liquid touches the metal, which it always seems to do as the flavor wicks spread out. Just that "touch" would seem to cause flooding by how liquid behaves, even if the gaps are tight - juice coming in contact with a solid source where the liquid can then "run" down a wall from the force of gravity seemingly would pull that juice in faster than the silica can keep it in place. Silica that's a bit more solidly woven might keep that juice exactly where it needs to be.

With only using the stock silica set-up, I just keep getting dry hits, no matter what juice I use. I still haven't been able to pinpoint wether it's bad wicking, or if the juices I use simply are being vaporized too quickly with the ohms these style heads offer, I just don't know.

One thing I have noticed without a doubt in the vaping world - anything that causes a sizzling or popping noise just tastes plain worse than a silent coil. Many say that sizzling and popping is a sign of the juice not being evaporated enough, but I have reason to believe it means that it's being evaporated too hotly and too quickly for what the wick can supply. My Cisco atty sure didn't make a single sound when it tasted the best. The Aro Tank didn't make a single sound when it was flooded and tasted clean as pie. Food for thought.

Oh, one thing I want to ask too - ya'll know how I go on and on about how juice bar CE4's always taste great? Well, one thing I noticed, is that before giving anyone a clearomizer, the employees always fire it and listen to it first. I thought this was absolutely bizarre and could really just lead to a lot of bad tasting wicks (as really, how often do CE4's not fire, and what would it hurt anyone if it didn't?) but it made me think about something to do with how juice is drawn into a wick - when the employees hear the "sizzling", is there any chance that this technique of no-draw firing actually is something that causes juice to form a heat suction, leading to better wicking for the hits after that? From my education in vaporization, there's a lot of factors with how both liquid and vapor travel depending on if flowing air is involved, but I don't remember the specifics.

That's literally the only scientific thing I could even see that could cause those things to always wick and taste great at the shop. Someone mentioned that it could be just that they're sitting there all day long, but at the shop I was at, literally 3 people had tried the same devices I did as I was standing there, it was a new shop so everyone who was walking in the door was always trying 40 juices before me. But the employees always manually fired it in their hands before giving them to anyone, listening for a sound.

(P.S. I do hate to go on and on about CE4's and 5's, devices like that, but truth is, if you can't get a CE4 to work, then anything else that works for you is probably some fluke of luck - if a CE4 is reading right on an ohm checker, it should work as good as anything else across the entire field of replaceable head vaping. The only factor that would even have a chance of coming into play is the tightness of the top rubber cap (on some of them), and contaminants.

Other than that, really, there is some trick to them that I can't figure out, and I'd like to, so that everyone can be walking around with these cheap little things in their hand, and get the results I do when vaping them at the shop - I am not kidding, they always taste wonderful, almost even too strong in flavor, at the shop! Anyone here would be impressed, even modders! I vaped Halo's Cocoa on one of the shop's samples, and it was to die for! Got home, exact same device, exact same juice, exact same draw I did at the shop, multiple heads, and it always tasted like burnt popcorn... I tried like 40 of their CE4's and they were simply fantastic! It should be working like that inside my own home! No excuses!)
 
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Great advice. As a newbie I appreciate the warning about not boiling cotton. How long do you believe it should be boiled?
EDIT: I appreciate the warning against using unboiled cotton. Brain worked faster than my fingers.

As a newbie, I would strongly encourage you to do some additional research. Lots and lots of people on this forum are VERY knowledgable about all things vape, and will be glad to share that knowledge! :) The ops results vary greatly from the results of the majority on many things. That doesn't mean he is wrong about this or anything else, just that his experiences may not be in line with the larger group.

Was that politically correct enough? I'm really trying to keep my mouth shut, but I would hate for any newb to become discouraged by the ops threads or results.

This has been a public service announcement.
 

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As a newbie, I would strongly encourage you to do some additional research. Lots and lots of people on this forum are VERY knowledgable about all things vape, and will be glad to share that knowledge! :) The ops results vary greatly from the results of the majority on many things. That doesn't mean he is wrong about this or anything else, just that his experiences may not be in line with the larger group.

Was that politically correct enough? I'm really trying to keep my mouth shut, but I would hate for any newb to become discouraged by the ops threads or results.

This has been a public service announcement.
CE4's and 5's are disposable and should be considered as such. Mucking around trying to enhance them is a waste of time for the "average" vaper. They sell for $1.50 each. If one wants to recoil and play with wicking, one should do so on a device that is built for the purpose (and there are hundreds of those, ranging from $15 rebuildable attys to $300 titanium rebuildable attys).

To the OP, best of luck in your search for a good vape- I'm done here.

Edit: After consideration, I remembered that it's worth tearing those things apart to get at the little ceramic cup. It works wonders in rebuildable cartomizers like the Diver, Killer 705, etc.
 
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Skip the politically correct, CE4's and 5's are disposable and should be considered as such. Mucking around trying to enhance them is a waste of time for the "average" vaper. They sell for $1.50 each. If one wants to recoil and play with wicking, one should do so on a device that is built for the purpose (and there are hundreds of those, ranging from $15 rebuildable attys to $300 titanium rebuildable attys).
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Oh I agree lol. He was asking about boiling cotton, and the op has never done that, so not in my opinion, qualified to answer the question. (which doesn't mean that there won't be a long answer forthcoming.) I've told myself to avoid commenting in these threads, as I actually DO use this forum for the majority of my vaping questions, and trying to avoid a rule 8 infraction. :)
 

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Oh I agree lol. He was asking about boiling cotton, and the op has never done that, so not in my opinion, qualified to answer the question. (which doesn't mean that there won't be a long answer forthcoming.) I've told myself to avoid commenting in these threads, as I actually DO use this forum for the majority of my vaping questions, and trying to avoid a rule 8 infraction. :)
I'm up to a Rule 8000 infraction....apparently, we want to refrain from calling anyone a db
 

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(P.S. I do hate to go on and on about CE4's and 5's, devices like that, but truth is, if you can't get a CE4 to work, then anything else that works for you is probably some fluke of luck

and this is where your 180 degrees wrong, you keep talking about the lack of consistency and muted flavors and this is EXACTLY what these devices are known for, have always been known for and will always be considered to be cheap and faulty. you conclusions are nothing new 1000's of vapors here realize every day for YEARS now CE's are junk and move on, only then do they discover better flavor and more consistent results.

your refusal to accept these devices as the very bottom of vaping gear is quite baffling at times. the consistency and lack of flavor is EXACTLY why almost everyone moves on from using these devices. every day there are threads " i moved up to a XXXX and im so glad i did" or " i cannot believe I used those cheap clearo's for so long now that i got a YYYY tank the results are awesome and I can never go back"

and it must be said IF somehow you actually achieve good results from a ce style clearo your the fluke not what others obtain by moving on to better made devices.

--- You are the only one keeping YOU from having a good experience -------

back to the analogy YOU CANNOT EXPECT FERRARI RESULTS FROM A KIA plain and simple. or how about this _ you cannot expect sirloin burgers from the dollar menu at mcd's or maybe - you need to quit expecting to find SnapOn quality tools from Harbor Freight.

you just do not want to accept these devices for what they are ...... WHY?????

maybe in a few more weeks of worthless tinkering it may sink in and you will move on and then kick yourself for sticking with a 1 dollar clearo for so long.


I do not think you will ever understand how uninformed the quote i have posted here make you look to people who have moved on to devices that actually work.
 
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CE4's and 5's are disposable and should be considered as such. Mucking around trying to enhance them is a waste of time for the "average" vaper. They sell for $1.50 each. If one wants to recoil and play with wicking, one should do so on a device that is built for the purpose (and there are hundreds of those, ranging from $15 rebuildable attys to $300 titanium rebuildable attys).

To the OP, best of luck in your search for a good vape- I'm done here.

Not sure exactly what this thread is about anymore. I thought it was about how long to boil cotton but now I'm not so sure.

ANYway, this quote is pretty much correct. Sure, a new vaper could spend some times trying to work on these just for the experience of maybe trying to rewick or whatever, just for experimentation. But the fact of the matter is that these ARE disposable. The parts aren't meant to last so whatever efforts one makes to improve them, they will still wear out.

I went through a period where I thought, hm I'll just recoil my heads & all will be well again. Well I did do that. But then my problem with the device became a problem with rubber grommets & things like this falling apart, melting, slipping, etc. It was at this point that I came to the realization that if one wants to "rebuild" one should just get a rebuildable. If you want disposable you need to pick a GOOD disposable so you can have a satisfying vape. Otherwise you're just going to be suffering a bad vape for no good reason. Just my opinion.
 

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Not sure exactly what this thread is about anymore. I thought it was about how long to boil cotton but now I'm not so sure.

ANYway, this quote is pretty much correct. Sure, a new vaper could spend some times trying to work on these just for the experience of maybe trying to rewick or whatever, just for experimentation. But the fact of the matter is that these ARE disposable. The parts aren't meant to last so whatever efforts one makes to improve them, they will still wear out.

I went through a period where I thought, hm I'll just recoil my heads & all will be well again. Well I did do that. But then my problem with the device became a problem with rubber grommets & things like this falling apart, melting, slipping, etc. It was at this point that I came to the realization that if one wants to "rebuild" one should just get a rebuildable. If you want disposable you need to pick a GOOD disposable so you can have a satisfying vape. Otherwise you're just going to be suffering a bad vape for no good reason. Just my opinion.

I am actually with you for the most part.

BUT

Most vapers have clearos like the protank around. Although it IS intended to be disposable heads. Mucking around with rebuilding the heads can give a new person some idea if rebuilding is even something they want to do with very small investment. A bit of wire and cotton can be purchased for very little money. Testing hte waters with protank heads you already have is a cost effective way to see if you want to bother getting an actual rebuildable device.


So not completely useless exercise.
 

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maybe in a few more weeks of worthless tinkering it may sink in and you will move on and then kick yourself for sticking with a 1 dollar clearo for so long.
Remember who it is your talking to, he has been at this for 4 years. A few more weeks is only going to be a few more novel length posts with no change in the end result.

I have extended an olive branch by offering up a real VV/VW mod with a real battery, a dripper with a proper coil and aside from getting a slap on the hand from the moderators I got no response from him what so ever.

I was at dinner last night with some friends, we were watching a person walk around their car brushing the snow off only to keep going around it time and time again expecting different results. It was snowing so hard that by the time they made their way back to the windshield it was covered again, they cleared it again hoping for a different result then the subject of repeating something expecting a different result is the definition of ***purposely left out to save another rule #8 infraction***.
 

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I am actually with you for the most part.

BUT

Most vapers have clearos like the protank around. Although it IS intended to be disposable heads. Mucking around with rebuilding the heads can give a new person some idea if rebuilding is even something they want to do with very small investment. A bit of wire and cotton can be purchased for very little money. Testing hte waters with protank heads you already have is a cost effective way to see if you want to bother getting an actual rebuildable device.


So not completely useless exercise.

Right now at my desk while typing this I have a $270 titanium genesis RBA and a PT2. I'm hitting both of them!!

I learned to rebuild using PT2 heads and since my first 5 pack of replacement heads I haven't bought another. AND, since switching to cotton wicks I don't replace the coils any more either but still use them.

And FWIW, I still have and use CE/Ic16s for when I want something stealth, small etc.
 

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Im beginning to see that maybe this isnt about just getting them to work, i am starting to believe this more about making them work perfect to prove all of us wrong.

and I agree, clearos, when they work work ok, nothing wrong with them for what they are, but expecting top dollar results from a toss away device is like expecting a Blu to vape like a dripper.

Testing hte waters with protank heads you already have is a cost effective way to see if you want to bother getting an actual rebuildable device.
while i wont say i completely disagree, i do think starting with things like protank heads may give many new people the wrong impression about rebuilding in general as many actual rebuildables are more open and allow easier access and more room to work compared to the tight space and limits of room within a tiny PT head.
 
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