advice on dogetank ss316 mode

[Aaron'sNewNightmare]

hi everyone! second post,

so i currently have the congrevape dogetank that runs with its stainless steel 316 rated coil. I was wanting to get so advice on what mode VW or TCR is better. I have it decked with a rx 2/3 and im new to TCR mode. I hear that SS is good for both modes but even with a regulated mod, i want to be sure if im being told that TCR is better, what should be the safest and best temp/Wattage i should use for the combo. I mainly use max vg liquid if that helps.

thank you!

 

[Cf11]

If you're using temperature control then you need not worry about the wattage and voltage. Just fix the temperature you think is hot enough for the vape you want and let it function on it's own.
Tcr won't let you go beyond a certain limit and hence it's safer.
You can use wattage also but to tell you the value you need to tell us the resistance of the coil or you can just go on steamengine and check it out for yourself. It's relatively easy to use.
Happy vaping

 

[Smoke_too_much]

Hi Aaron & welcome
Try both to see which one you like best and yes you are correct in that SS works with both. Each method has its pros & cons and you just have to decide which works best for you. The approach to both modes is the same, start low and work upwards until you feel the vape quality is decreasing, then back back down until you feel it is best. Neither method is more "safe" than the other. I started with power mode and became comfortable with it. Then I switched to try TC and was happy with it. Over time though I've pretty much switched back to power mode as I find it is easier (and lazier) and works just fine for me.

 

[Oomee]

TC mode, if working correctly should be the safer option.
I can imagine that an experienced vaper can judge that things are getting too hot and knows how/when to compensate.

There's a thread about vaping temps, it's a big one, but worth a read.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

Check my blog (click on my name for the link) if you'd like info about temp. control is, how it works, etc.

And yes, Temp control is coming around as a better approach to vaping for multiple reasons.

Just check the instructions for your mod to see how to set it.

It's overall simple...

1) Switch your mod to the SS TC mode

2) some mods let you only set the temp. so set it at a low starting level (around 300F is usually a good range) and decrease or increase as you prefer the vapour's warmth.

3) if the mod let's you set the wattage also, then set it at a medium range accordingly to the tank/coil you have. This will be the setting that gets the coil to heat up (higher wattage would equal faster ramp up but...). Set too low and the ramp up will be very slow, too high and it will either be "ignored" by the mod as it'll reach the temp before the wattage is reached or could give you an issue with the wicking and give you a poor vapour.

It's always better to start low for both the wattage and the temp. and increase each one a bit at a time, I recommend you start with the temp first, and then increase the wattage as required.. it takes only a few minutes to get the feel of it, and will be simpler after a couple of times.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

Hi Aaron & welcome
Try both to see which one you like best and yes you are correct in that SS works with both. Each method has its pros & cons and you just have to decide which works best for you. The approach to both modes is the same, start low and work upwards until you feel the vape quality is decreasing, then back back down until you feel it is best. Neither method is more "safe" than the other. I started with power mode and became comfortable with it. Then I switched to try TC and was happy with it. Over time though I've pretty much switched back to power mode as I find it is easier (and lazier) and works just fine for me.

Nah sorry, got to respectfully disagree there..

TC IS safer... it prevents dry hits, either via bad wicking, or empty tank (when goes empty unnoticed).

It can prevent also spikes that could results in burns, as for those that vape for long puffs, the ramp up of wattage keeps going while it's balanced in TC.

A preference is nice to have, but it doesn't change facts.

I'd be curious to the what you believe are "cons" for TC... the one extra setting that takes a few seconds to set IF you even need to change it after you do it with the first setup you do (using similar coils)?

 

[Smoke_too_much]

Well I've never considered dry hits to be a safety issue, more of an annoyance and allowing the coil to continue to fire and ramp up to an unacceptable temperature is something you simply don't do unless you like the taste of burnt cotton. So no I can't buy the idea that TC is any safer than power mode but I will agree that it is easier to avoid dry hits using it.

The cons to TC, for me, comes down to not being in control of the power to the coil. That in itself has both pros & cons to it but at least my mods don't keep asking that annoying question as to whether or not the atty is new.

The other thing about TC is that it can be finicky. Never had a problem with power but I've had a few with TC on various mods.

I don't want to sound like TC is bad or anything but I just don't see it as all that much better and I am lazy enough to just use the simpler mode. I'd encourage anyone to try both and come to your own conclusions about it.

 

[Smoke_too_much]

I just thought of a perfect example of why TC can be a pain. I was driving to work and picked up my vape to get nothing from it. So now I'm trying to read what the problem is on the little screen. It's asking that annoying question again and because I'm driving I hit the wrong button so now it thinks that preheated coil is new and at room temperature. Now isn't that first long draw wonderful as I cough lung bits all over the windshield. There's nothing like a TC dry hit. The difference of course being you've come not to expect them with TC as opposed to always being aware of them with power.

 

[Smoke_too_much]

Now I've thought of a scenario where TC would be safer. You stick your mod in your pocket, without turning it off of course (I never do) and then forget about it. After sitting down the folds in your jeans have just got to push the fire button, continuously of course. In those circumstances you would be far better off on TC than power mode. I've had one start cooking in my pocket once.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

Well I've never considered dry hits to be a safety issue, more of an annoyance and allowing the coil to continue to fire and ramp up to an unacceptable temperature is something you simply don't do unless you like the taste of burnt cotton. So no I can't buy the idea that TC is any safer than power mode but I will agree that it is easier to avoid dry hits using it.

The cons to TC, for me, comes down to not being in control of the power to the coil. That in itself has both pros & cons to it but at least my mods don't keep asking that annoying question as to whether or not the atty is new.

The other thing about TC is that it can be finicky. Never had a problem with power but I've had a few with TC on various mods.

I don't want to sound like TC is bad or anything but I just don't see it as all that much better and I am lazy enough to just use the simpler mode. I'd encourage anyone to try both and come to your own conclusions about it.

Dry hits are a health hazard... you can make yourself sick if you get a really bad one, plus you now have a burnt wick, which means that you shouldn't vape until it's changed.

For the control, it's funny that some believe this, usually due to bad experiences, as TC actually gives you a lot more control. A decent mod can either have a "low, normal, high" setting if it doesn't let you set the wattage manually... while one that does, you can control how fast the ramp up it without fear of the dry hit, and can get you to that level of heat that you want near instantly... something that you just can't do with wattage mode.. and pre-heat isn't the same.

From what you've stated though, I believe that you're view is due to just not getting your TC to work right, to be honest. The need to lock the resistance on a new coil only takes a very quick moment, and you don't need to bother with that until you switch it... if you clean your coil (RTAs) and rewick, that doesn't change the resistance, so you'd still be fine to go when you "reload" it.

For it to be finicky... again, unless you have a crappy mod, the only time I've had issues (as per explained in my blog), was with single SS coils, which I figured out that it's simply a case that I was doing coils that were to small to register... this might have been your case. I'm no fan of TI, so I can't speak for that, but between my NI and SS builds, I've never had any trouble for a very long time now... and I do build for 3 other people too. (and that doesn't count my 4 + mods that I have on the go at all times, plus that my wife and daughter have multiple setups too, so it's like about a dozen builds at all times).

I do believe that it's easy to get discouraged from using TC if you don't get it working right, but a bit of patience and frankly, between my family, once we started going to TC, no one wants to go with wattage mode ever again.

Another advantage of TC is that liquids can actually differ a lot from one to the other in terms of power needed, and with TC, a quick increase or decrease in temp setting can make a very noticeable difference in the flavour and such coming through, and no need to play with the wattage and still have all the advantages of TC.

And another thing is that with TC, your batteries can last a good 10-20% longer.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

I just thought of a perfect example of why TC can be a pain. I was driving to work and picked up my vape to get nothing from it. So now I'm trying to read what the problem is on the little screen. It's asking that annoying question again and because I'm driving I hit the wrong button so now it thinks that preheated coil is new and at room temperature. Now isn't that first long draw wonderful as I cough lung bits all over the windshield. There's nothing like a TC dry hit. The difference of course being you've come not to expect them with TC as opposed to always being aware of them with power.

That sounds like you didn't have a good coil and the board simply lost the reading... could be your tank got loose, etc. (there's a bunch of possible reasons), but at the same time, that's actually a "warning" that something is off, unless your mod is just crappy (no insult meant) for TC.

Of course I'll say that not all mods are equal, but between the dozen+ I have (Eleaf, Wismec, SMOK, Joytech, Lost Vape, etc.), I've not had this happen in a very very long time... it was mostly with the cartridge coils that I'd rebuild that would do that once in a blue moon, but even then, with practice, I learned to rebuild those better too and the problem resolved itself. So the issue wasn't the mods, but my builds that I learned to do better and better.

Could be a case that you accidentally hit the buttons, which, in wattage mode could have been just as bad or worse... imagine a 40W coil that you'd have pressed the buttons and increased that to 160W... that's worse than a dry hit, you can actually melt a coil should you seriously over-watt it.. I've read and heard about such things happening... I've heard stories where the tank actually cracked, the coil melted and popped a piece up the mouthpiece burning the person's mouth.

It's a question that if someone is handling the mod a lot, they should lock the setting buttons... that function is there for a reason.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

Now I've thought of a scenario where TC would be safer. You stick your mod in your pocket, without turning it off of course (I never do) and then forget about it. After sitting down the folds in your jeans have just got to push the fire button, continuously of course. In those circumstances you would be far better off on TC than power mode. I've had one start cooking in my pocket once.

I just carry my mod in my back pocket when I need to put it away (walking into a building or such), but I'd never sit with it in my pocket, not just for what you describe (which happens to a lot of people) but I'd simply fear breaking something, especially the glass of the tank. But another reason with I love my TC100W: it's got a physical lock for the squeeze trigger.

 

[Smoke_too_much]

Well you are obviously a big fan of TC and I won't argue with the points you've made. My forage into TC was at best just done out of curiosity since I'd been vaping for at least a year on power mode before I bothered to try it. I went with TC for several months but slowly drifted back to power mode because I saw little advantage in the TC and being lazy the extra effort with TC, and yes I know it is just clicks of buttons, just didn't seem worth it. So now all the mods I'm using are back to power. It wasn't so much a conscious decision to reject TC as it was just a case of leaving the mods on power after building and firing the coils.

 

[Smoke_too_much]

I just carry my mod in my back pocket when I need to put it away (walking into a building or such), but I'd never sit with it in my pocket, not just for what you describe (which happens to a lot of people) but I'd simply fear breaking something, especially the glass of the tank. But another reason with I love my TC100W: it's got a physical lock for the squeeze trigger.

I try not to sit with it in my pocket but the odd time it happens. I have 2 Istick 100w with a manual fire lock on them and I was always surprised that more mods didn't have this simple function. In fact many mods go out of their way to make the fire button prominent and far too easy to push. I have to be careful when putting them side by side in my computer bag as they can easily start firing then.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

Well you are obviously a big fan of TC and I won't argue with the points you've made. My forage into TC was at best just done out of curiosity since I'd been vaping for at least a year on power mode before I bothered to try it. I went with TC for several months but slowly drifted back to power mode because I saw little advantage in the TC and being lazy the extra effort with TC, and yes I know it is just clicks of buttons, just didn't seem worth it. So now all the mods I'm using are back to power. It wasn't so much a conscious decision to reject TC as it was just a case of leaving the mods on power after building and firing the coils.

Yeah, and it's not that I'm trying to convince you to switch, if you're happy, that's fine, and as long as you don't get dry hits, it's not the end of the world.

But TC can make a huge difference when done right.. and from your post in the other thread, I saw that you go for very small coils... which is as I mentioned earlier here, that you need a decent sized coil, and spaced is better. Plus you use rayon, which I've yet to try (not sure I'll ever, to be honest as cotton has never been an issue for me, but I might if I can find some at hand).

What's your tank of choice?

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

I try not to sit with it in my pocket but the odd time it happens. I have 2 Istick 100w with a manual fire lock on them and I was always surprised that more mods didn't have this simple function. In fact many mods go out of their way to make the fire button prominent and far too easy to push. I have to be careful when putting them side by side in my computer bag as they can easily start firing then.

Absolutely.. why no other mod have such a locking feature is beyond me.

It's another reason why I love my TC100W so much... between so many feature that makes it unique, and theprice of it is crazy cheap... I just received my "back-up" stock of them as I fear it'll be discontinued soon as Eleaf just released their new version, and switched to a series instead of parallel dual battery, which to me had a lot of advantages.

The other one I've seen is the Tesla Nano 120W, which I've considered a lot, but no on-board charging holds it back.

 

[KenD]

Absolutely.. why no other mod have such a locking feature is beyond me.

It's another reason why I love my TC100W so much... between so many feature that makes it unique, and theprice of it is crazy cheap... I just received my "back-up" stock of them as I fear it'll be discontinued soon as Eleaf just released their new version, and switched to a series instead of parallel dual battery, which to me had a lot of advantages.

The other one I've seen is the Tesla Nano 120W, which I've considered a lot, but no on-board charging holds it back.

The Wismec rx75 has a similar locking switch.

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[Smoke_too_much]

What's your tank of choice?

Now don't laugh but strangely enough I seem to be favoring Wismec Theorems, I now have about 8 of them with 5 more on their way (EfunTop is selling them off at $9.95 each). It is such a simple atty, especially with its notched coil. Simple to replace the coil and simple to rewick and yet they consistently work and work well. But what can I say, the RDA that sees the most use is the little Ice Cube 3.

I've been thinking about why I like about some atty's over others and it comes down to their air flow. The ones I like the least have side air holes and are large enough the air is not being channeled properly to the coil (my Budha RDA is a prime example of this, worst atty I have). The Limitless is like that too, I have 2 and haven't touched them in over a year because I never could get them to perform well. Bottom air flows seem to be consistently better but with the top flow Theorem I think the saving grace is that it is a small atty so the air hits the coil pretty efficiently. I find on all my side air holed attys seem to lack something when it comes to vapor & taste. I see Vandy Vapes new Pulse 22 RDA seems to be trying to address this with the addition of tubes to direct their side airflow to the coil.

What actually got me thinking about it in the first place was noticing how similar in design the Theorem is to the Limitless and yet only the one performs well for me. That got me looking at the differences which come down to size and air flow.

The only other thing I now insist on for any atty I buy is that they have a rebuildable option of some sort because I just don't trust that coils will always be available.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

Now don't laugh but strangely enough I seem to be favoring Wismec Theorems, I now have about 8 of them with 5 more on their way (EfunTop is selling them off at $9.95 each). It is such a simple atty, especially with its notched coil. Simple to replace the coil and simple to rewick and yet they consistently work and work well. But what can I say, the RDA that sees the most use is the little Ice Cube 3.

I've been thinking about why I like about some atty's over others and it comes down to their air flow. The ones I like the least have side air holes and are large enough the air is not being channeled properly to the coil (my Budha RDA is a prime example of this, worst atty I have). The Limitless is like that too, I have 2 and haven't touched them in over a year because I never could get them to perform well. Bottom air flows seem to be consistently better but with the top flow Theorem I think the saving grace is that it is a small atty so the air hits the coil pretty efficiently. I find on all my side air holed attys seem to lack something when it comes to vapor & taste. I see Vandy Vapes new Pulse 22 RDA seems to be trying to address this with the addition of tubes to direct their side airflow to the coil.

What actually got me thinking about it in the first place was noticing how similar in design the Theorem is to the Limitless and yet only the one performs well for me. That got me looking at the differences which come down to size and air flow.

The only other thing I now insist on for any atty I buy is that they have a rebuildable option of some sort because I just don't trust that coils will always be available.

Actually I considered that one at some point, but as most RDTAs (as a whole) are reported to have issues with leakage when tilted, and that my mods have to lie down to charge (usb port underneath) I didn't got in that direction.

And yup, airflow is the one criteria for just about any tank/atty. It makes one of my favourite tanks lose out on the other ones I have because the airflow is simply too restricted. After you use a decent airflow tank for a while, going to something that's limited is just too hard to do.

For me, once I discovered the glass chambers, it made all metal tanks pale in comparison (but the ones I use are probably as good as it gets), and for RDAs... heck, I won't even bother with a metal one ever again.

mods fiesta!

• Imfallen_Angel
• Apr 29, 2017