Advise on kanger top box mini

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Hi members,

I'm new to vaping and have received my kanger top box mini today. I have installed the 0.5 clapton coil to try out.

on the screen it's showing as 0.63 as opposed to 0.5, not sure why? The voltage is showing as 0.00v is this normal or should it be showing some kind of figure? I've set it to 35 watts as any higher is causing my throat to burn. Think this is due to me not understanding sub ohm devices and ordering 18mg juices! :( think I'll drop down to 6mg!

I'm really want to understand how to build my own coils but don't seem to understand the ohms bit .5 .6 1 etc is this based on the wire or how you wrap the wire? Any tutorial links would greatly be appreciated.

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Trek
 
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Hello and welcome to the forum @Treks. Glad to have you here!:)
I've set it to 35 watts as any higher is causing my throat to burn. Think this is due to me not understanding sub ohm devices and ordering 18mg juices! :( think I'll drop down to 6mg!
18 mg is very high for subΩ coils.
  • High PG also contributes to throat hit.
  • Not priming a coil well (and/or running at too high a wattage) will give very harsh/dry/burnt hits
Nicotine

A "general guideline" for nicotine concentration in e-liquid to the number of cigarettes smoked per day. If you are subohming (resistance under 1.0Ω) cut these nicotine levels by at least 50%.

06 mg = 10 cigarettes or less
12 mg = 20 cigarettes
18 mg = 30 cigarettes
24 mg = 40 cigarettes

eLiquid/Juice

PG = Propylene Glycol - the "flavor carrier" of e-liquid. A secondary source of "throat hit", but not as strong as the nicotine concentration. Some people have a sensitivity or even an allergy to PG. It's very thin.

VG = Vegetable Glycerin - the "vapor maker" of e-liquid. Used as a sweeter in many food sources, and also as a skin emollient. It's very thick. Often labeled just "Glycerine"

PG and VG are often used together in different ratios in e-liquid. For example, a 50/50 PG/VG ratio. Many juice vendors offer a range of different ratios as far as PG/VG.

Priming a Coil

All cotton coils have to be primed well with juice. If they are not primed well the cotton will burn. Once the cotton is burned the burned taste doesn't go away.

To prime the coil, drop 5-8 drops of juice right inside the coil (sometimes less/more depending on the size of the coil head), another drop of juice in all the holes on the side of the coil. I watch the cotton absorb the e-liquid and when it can't hold any more, I put the coil in the base.
  • If Bottom Filling - Fill the tank and then screw the base back onto the tank.
  • If Top Filling (some tanks are top filled) - Screw the tank on the base and then top fill it.
Once you put the tank on the battery give it several unpowered primer puffs. This will make sure the wick is fully saturated.

Rule of Thumb

The rule of thumb for EVERY vape device you'll ever own is the same (when running in power or wattage/voltage mode). Turn your voltage/wattage down, take a few hits, bump it up, couple more hits. Repeat until you find your "sweet spot". If it starts to taste funny, gets too hot or tastes burnt, back it down. Different flavors will have different sweet spots so you just have to experiment.

The sweet spot is somewhere between the "vape is cool but not too cool" or "warm but not too warm". I like my fruits vapes cooler and my desert vapes warmer. Everyone has their own preferences.
I'm really want to understand how to build my own coils but don't seem to understand the ohms bit .5 .6 1 etc is this based on the wire or how you wrap the wire? Any tutorial links would greatly be appreciated.
The resistance of a coil depends on many things
  • wire material (i.e. kanthal, nichrome, nickel, titanium, stainless steel)
  • wire profile (i.e. round, parallel/twisted, ribbon)
  • diameter of wire (i.e. gauge)
  • setup (i.e. # coils)
  • inner diameter of coil (diameter of tool you use to wrap your wire around)
Look at a coiling calculator. Enter the resistance you want and then play with all the variables.
In general (when using a mod in wattage/voltage mode).

Lower Ohm Coils Will:
  • Heat The Coil Faster
  • Produce More Vapor
  • Drain The Battery Faster
  • Use E-Juice Faster
  • Produce A Warmer Tasting Vape
Higher Ohm Coils Will:
  • Heat The Coil Slower, Which Will Produce “Less” Vapor
  • Provide A “Cooler” Tasting Vape
  • Use Less E-Juice
  • Prolong Battery Life
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If you are interested in learning more about e-cigarettes (and all the parts and pieces) below are some blog posts by ECF member @Baditude that I highly recommend for someone new to vaping.
 
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A 0.5 reading 0.63 is normal.

18mg is quite strong, but don't rule out 12mg. People go on about "oh, never use more than 6mg sub-ohm" but it's only sub-ohm levels at 20w or more, really. (17.8 watts)

I quite happily vape 12mg at 14w-18w. (Well, I did...) I rarely go much above 24w, except for the occasional burst.
 

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how low or high can one go in ohms safely on a device that can only go to 75 watts without worrying about battery exploding.
When using a regulated mod the resistance (or Ω) of the coil doesn't come into play as far as safety goes. What wattage you vape at is what counts (when it comes to safety).
In a nutshell, for 60 watts (and lower), in a single battery mod, any 20A CDR cell will be safe. If you are going to be vaping at +60 watts you will need a cell rated at +20A.

Battery Specifications
  • The "mAh" spec. on a battery is basically how much energy it can store, how long it will last before needing a recharge.
  • The CDR (Continuous Discharge Rating) tells you how hard you can work the battery (how fast you can pull/dump the power out of it without it losing it's wee little battery mind and goin' all thermal n' stuff).
  • Amps is current (rate of flow . . . juice dump rate). The CDR would be stated in Amps. You'll see ratings like "20A battery". The more Amps you're pulling, the "faster" the current, the harder you're working the battery.
Manufacturers

There are only a few battery manufacturers in the world who make their own "cells", including LG, Samsung, Sony, Panasonic & Sanyo.

All the other brands on the market buy the second and third tier cells from those manufacturers and re-wrap them under their own brand. These are "second and/or third tier cells" which did not meet the higher standards of the original manufacturer. In order to compete with the original manufacturers' batteries (first tier), these other companies feel obligated to publish specifications which are inflated to make them appear superior to those of the original manufacturer.

Do your research before you buy. Decide what battery to buy depending upon the application that you will use them.

@Mooch & @Baditude have some great blog posts on batteries.
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Thanks for the information Susan, how low or high can one go in ohms safely on a device that can only go to 75 watts without worrying about battery exploding.
Thanks

What batteries are you using? name brand, mah, markings on the wrap etc..

Resistance is irrelevant when calculating battery amp drain using a regulated power device.
Just before & at the power device’s low voltage cut off amp demand from the battery will be highest.
Example;
75w / 3.2v = 23a
75w / 3.4v = 22a
50w / 3.2v = 15a
Above not accounting for chip inefficiency.

If you use reputable name brand batteries with a sufficient CDR to support the power level you intend to vape you won't need to worry about batteries exploding.

Only buy batteries from reputable sources to avoid fake / counterfeit and lessor quality re wrapped cells.
 

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Samsung 25r's are good 2500mah 20a CDR cells.

Everyone has to set their own comfort zone as far as battery saftey goes.
Just me, I don't have time to worry about my batteries or fiddle with vaping nor do I consider vaping a hobby, so I set my personal limit to 60w per 20a CDR cell in a regulated power device.
My power devices have low voltage cutoffs of 3.2v or above.
I use AW 3000mah 20a, Samsung 30Q 3000mah 20a or Lg hg2 3000mah 20a (my preference in order).

Vaping isn't a power race, more watts does not equal a better vape.
I rarely vape over 22.5w, everyone has to find their own best vape.
 

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I've dropped down to 20w and the 18mg doesn't seem as harsh now. Think I will try a 12mg and a 6mg next. Need to learn how to build coils. Think I will stick with kanthel coil not sure weather to experiment temp mode.

Thanks,
Trek
I think you've been given too much info to start and I'd hate to see a new vaper get frustrated because it seems too complicated.

The Topbox Mini is basically a plug and play unit. If you're using sub ohm coils than you should probably be using 6mg nic juice. Make sure you prime your coil correctly and start your watts low and move up until you have a nice vape that you like.

You don't really need to know ohms law if you stick to regulated mods as the mod will do the thinking for you based on the ohms of the coil.
 
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