Ah ha, the tide IS turning

[AgentAnia]

I would never advocate violence, or the threat of violence, but I do believe in standing up for my beliefs and in calling out anyone who uses science in the name of ideology to trample on those beliefs. I've said it before and will again: Smokers mostly complied in silence with ANTZ "bansturbators," but vapers, who haven't been subjected to decades of propaganda, are NOT silent.

Evidently, according to this article in The Guardian (Pro-smoking activists threaten and harass health campaigners | Society | The Guardian), the ANTZ are dismayed that the people they've been demonizing are standing up for themselves and not taking it any longer. They're speaking out! Oh dear, what's an ANTZ to do?!

 

[Kent C]

Agent Ania: I would never advocate violence, or the threat of violence, but I do believe in standing up for my beliefs and in calling out anyone who uses science in the name of ideology to trample on those beliefs. I've said it before and will again: Smokers mostly complied in silence with ANTZ "bansturbators," but vapers, who haven't been subjected to decades of propaganda, are NOT silent.

It is one thing to initiate violence and another to respond to the initiation of violence/force. The first is a 'rights violating action' and the second is self defense - a 'rights protecting' action.

All laws have the effect of threatening violence if they are not followed. When laws are made to protect individual rights, (in the US anyway), they are carrying out the reason why this country was formed. When laws are made to control behavior that is not harmful, they are unconstitutional, and they become the 'initiation of force' by the State. To respond to them is self-defense.

When companies are forced to not permit smoking or vaping in their establishments, for example - their private property rights are being violated. Without the law, their customers would have the choice to patronize that business or not. When they resist such laws, the 'threat of violence' becomes the 'initiation of violence' by the State. All laws have this property and outcome IF they are not complied with - men with guns will come. When laws are made that violate people's rights there will be backlash. It's almost as sure as the law of gravity.

 

[Rancor0681]

Ok stupid question what does antz stand for

 

[jtpjc]

"You see? You see what a disgusting kind of people smokers are? Now that we've made them into pariahs and modern day lepers, they show their true nature!"

Denormalisation and demonisation have taken a whole new turn. Sigh.

 

[patkin]

ANTZ = Anti Smoking Zealot and was coined by Kristin at CASAA.

 

[Kent C]

Ok stupid question what does antz stand for

Hover over the word in the OP's post - it is 'underlined' = anti-nicotine and smoking zealots.

patkin is quick! lol

 

[patkin]

^ just happened on it... not doing my usual type browsing today... lookin around a bit. Good you came along seeing's how I got it wrong. lol

 

[Kent C]

^ just happened on it... not doing my usual type browsing today... lookin around a bit. Good you came along seeing's how I got it wrong. lol

Close enough

 

[Schwiggiddy]

Anti Nicotine and Tobacco Zealot.

 

[Rancor0681]

Hover over the word in the OP's post - it is 'underlined' = anti-nicotine and smoking zealots.

patkin is quick! lol

On mobile phone using Tapatalk so that doesn't work lol

 

[Kent C]

On mobile phone using Tapatalk so that doesn't work lol

lol.... understood. Anyway, you got the answer.... a few times now

 

[Rancor0681]

Yes I did and I forgot to use my manners ty guys for the help

 

[AgentAnia]

Yes I did and I forgot to use my manners ty guys for the help

Hang around this sub-forum long enough, and you'll get to know the term ANTZ *very* well, lol!