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Well, I put the DD in my device today (it's a clearo, mind you). It tastes pretty much like it smells, so far. Which to me is indeed ashy, although I do taste the underlying tobaccos in there as well. Going to give it time -- it will be my ADV, for today at least. I think I'm actually better off using the clearo oddly enough, since presumably I'm getting a muted flavor. This way I can ease into it. :unsure:
The irony is not lost on me here. I was one of those guys who came to this board as a whelp, complaining about how none of the liquids I tried tasted anything like tobacco. And then within just a few weeks, I started to resign myself (not unhappily btw) to that fact, and learned to enjoy the novelty of the sweet-ish juices. Well, now I've found what I thought I was looking for. Time will tell.
 

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It's not a problem with my equipment.. its the juice. Maybe there would be subtle differences with a different atty or build.. but its the heart of the liquid I don't care for. The smell of it is ash. The taste of it is ash. Why would a different atty make it not taste like ash? You honestly don't taste or smell ash? I can't conceive of it.

I think what's going on here is differences in taste buds. Like some people taste soap in cilantro, or ash in the aros...

I will definitely agree that I noticed an ashy element when I first tried Vurley. There was even a lingering ashy aftertaste that had me wondering if I would smell like the old stinky days.

I seemed to have permanently acclimated to it, however, and I don't notice it now. I actually think it's an essential element to the aro experience. I don't vape them in my office because I don't think my colleagues will find it pleasant.

There are still times when I'm not in the mood for them, but when I am, I absolutely love them - most of the time, really.
 

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It's not a problem with my equipment.. its the juice. Maybe there would be subtle differences with a different atty or build.. but its the heart of the liquid I don't care for. The smell of it is ash. The taste of it is ash. Why would a different atty make it not taste like ash? You honestly don't taste or smell ash? I can't conceive of it.

I think what's going on here is differences in taste buds. Like some people taste soap in cilantro, or ash in the aros...

Honestly I know the ashey you speak of because Ive tasted it
I honestly do not have that in my IGO
I have very little of it in my phoenix but when it when it did show up I rebuild it within a day or so

So much is the difference that a while back I had some VR4 (at the time all I used were clear's and protanks)
after a tank or 2 the ashy began after the next refill it was so bad

I would now reorder that and am willing to bet I do not get ashy in the IGO

By the way that is another tell tale sign that its not the juice flav itself
the ashy is not generally on the first pull's
but develops as the coils get used

I've gotten this strong in clero's not so strong in phoenix but a hint
not at all in IGO

Vapping vurly right now not a hint of it
 

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It's not a problem with my equipment.. its the juice. Maybe there would be subtle differences with a different atty or build.. but its the heart of the liquid I don't care for. The smell of it is ash. The taste of it is ash. Why would a different atty make it not taste like ash? You honestly don't taste or smell ash? I can't conceive of it.

I think what's going on here is differences in taste buds. Like some people taste soap in cilantro, or ash in the aros...

I can't speak of how different equipment affects the taste of any aros or even how most of the aros taste in general as I use limited equipment (Vamo, eGo vv type, and 14500 VV/VW mods with 510 disposable LR atty's) and have only tried a few of them, but I get get the ashy perception also. And for me, it's not just A+ aros, it's most of the stronger tobaccos from several, if not many, vendors (off hand, W2V, Johnson Creek and Red Oak that I sampled last night). I don't know if it's the tobacco itself, the extraction process or a combo of both, or something other than these that makes the ashy component, but I tasted it also.
 
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When I said aros really need the right delivery system, I was not saying that they will miraculously work for someone that used an, IMO, less-than-optimal system, but just that it's not like some liquid that tastes the same out of a Volt + carto and a mech + genny. But, it may still suck across the board.

As far as I am concerned, because I am familiar with tobacco absolute and tobacco extract, I know ash when I taste it and the aros taste like tobacco, not ash--there's a difference. But that's just me and for those that have similar palates. I couldn't care less whether someone hates the aros or not, or speaks ill of them; it's funny, but it doesn't hurt my experience.

People can always offer their fervent opinion--that's how the forum works. My opinion is that the aros are fantastic tobacco liquids and vapers like GD and Sharon think they suck.

I do think that vapers that taste "ash" in aros or other NETs should buy a tiny vial of tobacco absolute to meet Mr. Ash. :laugh:
 

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wow.. this is weird. When I first started vaping I was on a mission to find true tobacco flavor. Nothing came remotely close, so I pretty much gave up. Even Smooth Criminal doesn't really remind me of tobacco. It's just a subtle, somewhat complex, flavorful vape. i really like it. But Vurley, that's really reminding me of analogs. Tastes far better, mind you. It's weird tho. I even got a slight head rush. It's only 12mg 50/50. and no, I didn't chain vape 3mL. lol. I've vaped 30mg without feeling that. I'm assuming it's a NET?

I'm not sure if I like it. About a month after I started vaping (I had dropped analogs with my 1st real e-cig experience), I took 3 puffs off a Camel and couldn't stand it. I have not had even a remote desire for one since. So maybe I just don't like tobacco any longer. Still, vurley is more pleasant than an analog. It tastes kinda nice. I'll give it some time.

Bumping my initial reaction to Vurley from Sept. 5th, for reference
Of course, I wound up loving the aros
 
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Or maybe he's trying to make it even less likely that someone will order them thinking they're going to taste like HHV, and then post here that they were tricked into buying this horrible ashtray sludge. They already have descriptive copy on the aros' pages practically warning everyone to stay away, but every few weeks we see a post like the one a few to the north here by someone shocked that a juice described by its maker as a "bold, uncompromising blend" is bold and uncompromising. So, raise the price and make them think twice? Maybe.

Please. I can't bring myself to be offended when someone else, especially stranger, isn't feeling a flavor I like. Strikes me a little like being concerned with what another couple does and doesn't do in their bedroom. And I don't bother with the ubiquitous "taste is subjective" apology, because we're all allegedly adults and should understand that without having to say as much every time we speak, whether we're saying something positive or negative. So, let's look at your accusations one by one shall we?

Show me where I said I was tricked into anything, let alone by Ahlusion itself. To suggest that the aromatics sound like something I should like, and that are tirelessly promoted by a self-championing, so-called true tobacco connoisseur isn't to say there's trickery afoot. I wanted to love them like you do. I sure as hell didn't buy them in order to dump on 'em or to engage in a puerile variety of a brand-loyalty argument that plagues videogame message boards (and, to my disappointment, that I'm discovering exists even on forums dedicated to vaping of all things). The fact that you've tried to turn this into HHV-vs-Ahlusion, Sony-vs-Microsoft, Ford-vs-Chevy style feuding speaks volumes. If you had been able to read what I wrote through the stacks of cartoon smoke fuming from your ears you'd have understood that indeed I did (and do!) want a "bold, uncompromising blend." But boldness is in the mouth of the beholder now, isn't it? I explained my love for smoked pipe tobacco and cigars, surely I'm "man" enough, to appreciate a smoke juice that can capture some of the same essence. It's just that for me/personally/in my opinion/subjectively -- insert every apology that would come to litter posts on ECF if we actually did need to assure all thin-skinned brand champions on hair triggers that their egos are in no danger when tastes differ -- the aromatics are bold only in their badness. They aren't at all like cigars or pipe tobacco and I don't blame anyone for that. I don't blame my gear ("Duuuuude, you have to be really, really high to understand The Dead, man!"). I don't blame you, because I have no reason to believe that the aromatics aren't actually making magic in your mouth. I don't blame Wlad and Alley. Nor do I blame myself. Blame isn't the issue.

Consider that Ahlusion includes the warning because they're well aware that the aros taste like cigarette slurry to many mouths. (You write that they "warn everyone to stay away.") Consider that you're seeing posts like my previous one so often because aros taste like cigarette slurry to many mouths. Consider that there isn't a conspiracy afoot. Why would I accuse you of conspiratorial thinking? Because... look at you. You actually consider the possibility that a company is raising prices on a product line in order to deter additional sales and punish people who love the product. Companies raise prices when manufacturing, marketing, and/or distribution costs climb or when they want to associate consumption with status and prestige. I don't believe Ahlusion is doing the latter (at all), but that approach wouldn't be the worst idea seeing as how your very identity seemingly has vested stake in the image of the aromatic vaper.
 

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Finally made my first Ahlusion order this morning! Got hubby a couple tobacco flavors to try (non aro of course) and me a couple dessert flavors. Can't wait to try them....hope I can wait til they steep lol. Just can't stomach the cheaper artificial juices anymore.

You should be in for a true treat.
 

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When I said aros really need the right delivery system, I was not saying that they will miraculously work for someone that used an, IMO, less-than-optimal system, but just that it's not like some liquid that tastes the same out of a Volt + carto and a mech + genny. But, it may still suck across the board.

As far as I am concerned, because I am familiar with tobacco absolute and tobacco extract, I know ash when I taste it and the aros taste like tobacco, not ash--there's a difference. But that's just me and for those that have similar palates. I couldn't care less whether someone hates the aros or not, or speaks ill of them; it's funny, but it doesn't hurt my experience.

People can always offer their fervent opinion--that's how the forum works. My opinion is that the aros are fantastic tobacco liquids and vapers like GD and Sharon think they suck.

I do think that vapers that taste "ash" in aros or other NETs should buy a tiny vial of tobacco absolute to meet Mr. Ash. :laugh:
Love this mindset, Mann. And it works both ways, yeah? Imagine if we were expected to explicitly state that taste is subjective every single time we want to share love for a liquid. "In my mind, this is a terrific juice, but you might not like it so be warned, and please don't be angry or offended if you end up not enjoying it to the extent I did, and..." :blink:
 

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Please. I can't bring myself to be offended when someone else, especially stranger, isn't feeling a flavor I like. Strikes me a little like being concerned with what another couple does and doesn't do in their bedroom. And I don't bother with the ubiquitous "taste is subjective" apology, because we're all allegedly adults and should understand that without having to say as much every time we speak, whether we're saying something positive or negative. So, let's look at your accusations one by one shall we?

Show me where I said I was tricked into anything, let alone by Ahlusion itself. To suggest that the aromatics sound like something I should like, and that are tirelessly promoted by a self-championing, so-called true tobacco connoisseur isn't to say there's trickery afoot. I wanted to love them like you do. I sure as hell didn't buy them in order to dump on 'em or to engage in a puerile variety of a brand-loyalty argument that plagues videogame message boards (and, to my disappointment, that I'm discovering exists even on forums dedicated to vaping of all things). The fact that you've tried to turn this into HHV-vs-Ahlusion, Sony-vs-Microsoft, Ford-vs-Chevy style feuding speaks volumes. If you had been able to read what I wrote through the stacks of cartoon smoke fuming from your ears you'd have understood that indeed I did (and do!) want a "bold, uncompromising blend." But boldness is in the mouth of the beholder now, isn't it? I explained my love for smoked pipe tobacco and cigars, surely I'm "man" enough, to appreciate a smoke juice that can capture some of the same essence. It's just that for me/personally/in my opinion/subjectively -- insert every apology that would come to litter posts on ECF if we actually did need to assure all thin-skinned brand champions on hair triggers that their egos are in no danger when tastes differ -- the aromatics are bold only in their badness. They aren't at all like cigars or pipe tobacco and I don't blame anyone for that. I don't blame my gear ("Duuuuude, you have to be really, really high to understand The Dead, man!"). I don't blame you, because I have no reason to believe that the aromatics aren't actually making magic in your mouth. I don't blame Wlad and Alley. Nor do I blame myself. Blame isn't the issue.

Consider that Ahlusion includes the warning because they're well aware that the aros taste like cigarette slurry to many mouths. (You write that they "warn everyone to stay away.") Consider that you're seeing posts like my previous one so often because aros taste like cigarette slurry to many mouths. Consider that there isn't a conspiracy afoot. Why would I accuse you of conspiratorial thinking? Because... look at you. You actually consider the possibility that a company is raising prices on a product line in order to deter additional sales and punish people who love the product. Companies raise prices when manufacturing, marketing, and/or distribution costs climb or when they want to associate consumption with status and prestige. I don't believe Ahlusion is doing the latter (at all), but that approach wouldn't be the worst idea seeing as how your very identity seemingly has vested stake in the image of the aromatic vaper.

Nicely written rant, not that I agree with all of it. Some, to be sure.

More on "taste is subjective" or "IMHO" should be obvious: Yes, it's true that everything ever written, including Special Relativity, was someone's opinion. Sometimes it's annoying when people use it, but it's often just a form of diplomacy. It can help to soften the claim, or to help keep others from becoming defensive and open to discussion.
 

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Love this mindset, Mann. And it works both ways, yeah? Imagine if we were expected to explicitly state that taste is subjective every single time we want to share love for a liquid. "In my mind, this is a terrific juice, but you might not like it so be warned, and please don't be angry or offended if you end up not enjoying it to the extent I did, and..." :blink:

Well, it is interesting that you can get in trouble for "bashing" a vendor but not as easily for gushing over one. Imagine this infraction: take those loving posts to the positive reviews section. :laugh:
 

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I never said the aros suck, I just said that *I* don't like them because *I* taste ash. Apparently there are other people who do as well. Some enjoy it, others do not. But regardless, I think we should be able to *discuss* what we taste, considering this is a general eliquid discussion forum after all.. and without being passively accused of being an idiot who is using.. what was the work used? Substandard equipment?

I'm familiar with tobacco absolute too. It's the main flavoring component in some of my favorite liquids.. Vermilion's Kentucky Premium and Velvet Clouds entire tobacco line. I adore all of these and do not get the ashy note at all.

I'm truly sorry if someone has taken personal offense to my perception of these liquids.. definitely not my intention. For the record, I'm not saying there bad.. only that *I* don't care for them. Obviously many people do, and I can totally see how they would appeal to people who are looking to recreate the combusted tobacco experience... But I'm way past that stage in my life, and I don't miss smoking one bit.
 

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Nicely written rant, not that I agree with all of it. Some, to be sure.

More on "taste is subjective" or "IMHO" should be obvious: Yes, it's true that everything ever written, including Special Relativity, was someone's opinion. Sometimes it's annoying when people use it, but it's often just a form of diplomacy. It can help to soften the claim, or to help keep others from becoming defensive and open to discussion.
I do understand the value in diplomacy and I think I tried to make it clear in my initial aromatic rant that I love Ahlusion (they remain my top vendor). But sure, my claims weren't soft. Sorry if I offended anyone. If I love a liquid, I'm inclined to really get that love across, and if I hate a liquid I think it's fun and important to speak my mind on it as well. I love lively forums. Also, for those who dig the aromatics. I think it should go without saying, but that's great. You have a range of liquids on tap the the rest of us aren't able to like.
 

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I never said the aros suck, I just said that *I* don't like them because *I* taste ash. Apparently there are other people who do as well. Some enjoy it, others do not. But regardless, I think we should be able to *discuss* what we taste, considering this is a general eliquid discussion forum after all.. and without being passively accused of being an idiot who is using.. what was the work used? Substandard equipment?

I'm familiar with tobacco absolute too. It's the main flavoring component in some of my favorite liquids.. Vermilion's Kentucky Premium and Velvet Clouds entire tobacco line. I adore all of these and do not get the ashy note at all.

I'm truly sorry if someone has taken personal offense to my perception of these liquids.. definitely not my intention. For the record, I'm not saying there bad.. only that *I* don't care for them. Obviously many people do, and I can totally see how they would appeal to people who are looking to recreate the combusted tobacco experience... But I'm way past that stage in my life, and I don't miss smoking one bit.

Please don't think I ever ment to imply idiot into anything based on equiptment
All of this is a learning experience
If it were not for this forum I would not have figured out even half of what I know on my own
In fact I was about to go back to smoking after bad vaping experience following the guidance of a local B&M

but I've learned equipment does make all the difference in the world
I've used Clero's and protanks for most of my vaping time and new to RDA's and a little longer with carto tanks

I'm just stating my experience as I learned from others doing the same
without which I would never had the great vaping experiences I've had

But never would I did mean in any way to belittle at all
 

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*passes the peace pipe, filled with Smooth Criminal*

Let the smoothness calm the minds and soften the souls; and remind us we are more alike than different.

Who the hell is Columbus and why is he holding my mail?

Yeah let's. I ordered 60ml of it today despite still not having my coupon. Asked for Desperado as a sample. I noticed the chatter assimilating the two. Interested to find out if D is SCs hot sister or ugly cousin. :D
 

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Yeah let's. I ordered 60ml of it today despite still not having my coupon. Asked for Desperado as a sample. I noticed the chatter assimilating the two. Interested to find out if D is SCs hot sister or ugly cousin. :D

Yah, be sure to check for any fruity notes in Desperado :confused: LOL
 

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Yeah let's. I ordered 60ml of it today despite still not having my coupon. Asked for Desperado as a sample. I noticed the chatter assimilating the two. Interested to find out if D is SCs hot sister or ugly cousin. :D

Haha, that'll be my order tomorrow; but only 30ml of SC plus the Boba plain. I'm almost, almost, almost thinking of even bumping Desperado up to a bigger size instead of requesting it as a sample..... hmmmm. I just don't want it to transform into amazing at the 3 month mark with only 2ml left to vape lol.
 
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