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Thanks for the reply, May! I never had boba tea IRL, so I very well may not like the drink either :)

Maybe it's something in the PA air that's messing with our tasters lol

Interesting about the no cinnamon thing - it didn't jump out to me as cinnamon at first, but after a while, my brain decided there must be a a little pinch in there. Either way, it's darn good!!
 

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Ok, so I've received and tasted all of the flavors in my first Ahlusion order. Here are my initial impressions:

Orange Creamsicle - Yum Yum Yum!! Mellow, sweet creamy orange goodness!

Mango Lassi - Nice, balanced, lightly fruity, creamy - very vapeable, but not a standout for me (yet)

Coco-berry Cream - meh... I have yet to find a coconut vape I like, and I LOVE coconut flavored foods and scents. The coconut juices all taste extremely dry, somewhat bitter and musty to me, and this one was no exception. The berry was very subtle here, and it was not very creamy, but may improve with steeping?? Either that, or perhaps I just don't like coconut vapes.

Tarte Tatin Apple - a GREAT choice for my free sample. Warm and sweet baked apple goodness with a slight mapley thing going on - in a good way! A mellow hint of cinnamon completes this flavor. It reminds me of apple flavored instant oatmeal with the little pieces of apple in it. A true comfort food in vape form!

Boba Tea (plain) - OMG, this might be tantamount to blasphemy, but I disliked this one so much :( Like all the worst qualities of a coconut vape that I mentioned above (musty, dry, bitter) without any other redeeming qualities to balance it out for my particular palate. I will definitely let this one sit for a few weeks and try again, but it may just not be for me. If anyone else is not a fan of this juice, I'd love to know I'm not alone here :confused:

I feel a little guilty about this mixed review based on some of the glowingly positive reviews that I've seen others post, but I am actually quite impressed with the Orange Cream and the Apple Tarte, and would definitely re-order from them again. I would love to try some of their other fruit creams and bakery flavors! :)

Shouldn't feel guilty at all ! E juices are not like pizza, that everyone loves ! I am sure there have been others who didn't love or even disliked Ahlusion juices, except it's less likely they would post in this thread :)

I myself, ordered four juices, and got two samples with my initial order. I thought two of them were A's, one B, one B minus, one C and one D ! I will reorder the two i thought were best, and try some others. That's all.

I was not a big fan of the fruit/cream juices either. not that i thought there was anything wrong with them, just that i found they are not for me ( i ordered two from a different company, which were about on par with Ahlusion to my taste buds). They seem to be super popular with posters on this thread, especially the lime, lemon and pineapple creams apparently.

I found Cherry Midnight and Ahlusion Mocha, just about the best i have tried in the coffee/chocolate category. Trying tobacco's when the next sale happens !
 
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Good article imo, headline aside. I am not sure where you read the part about the coils. To me it was clear that the authors of the study were saying that the nic juice, pg and vg produce a lot more formaldehyde when the heat is intense, and they seem to say dripping is really bad. This is really important info, imo.

Most of us know deep down that we are engaging in harm reduction, and not harm elimination, and the more studies the better. Especially when there is this developing sub-culture intent on producing more and more wattage, as if vaping has become a competitive sport.

Yeah, it's unfortunate that some of these studies give ammunition to the anti-vaping crowd, but i am for more and more studies, even if we may not like the results.

edit :most relevant part of article imo :

Both studies point to the same phenomenon: Intense heat can change the composition of e-liquids, creating new chemicals. Importantly, the researchers said, the chemical reactions apply not only to the liquid nicotine, but also to two other crucial ingredients in most e-liquids: vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol.

Precisely what level of heat causes the reaction is difficult to pinpoint. The Roswell research found, generally, that when battery voltage increased to 4.8 volts from 3.2 volts, toxin levels increased markedly.

My question would be who did this study and who funded it. It almost sounds like it is one of those studies pointing to the 'safety' of a cigalike with those itsy bitsy batteries and low voltage capabilities. I did not read the study so this is just conjecture. I think we are going to see lots of 'studies' producing preferred results for the party(ies) pulling the strings.
 

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Ok, so I've received and tasted all of the flavors in my first Ahlusion order. Here are my initial impressions:

Orange Creamsicle - Yum Yum Yum!! Mellow, sweet creamy orange goodness!

Mango Lassi - Nice, balanced, lightly fruity, creamy - very vapeable, but not a standout for me (yet)

Coco-berry Cream - meh... I have yet to find a coconut vape I like, and I LOVE coconut flavored foods and scents. The coconut juices all taste extremely dry, somewhat bitter and musty to me, and this one was no exception. The berry was very subtle here, and it was not very creamy, but may improve with steeping?? Either that, or perhaps I just don't like coconut vapes.

Tarte Tatin Apple - a GREAT choice for my free sample. Warm and sweet baked apple goodness with a slight mapley thing going on - in a good way! A mellow hint of cinnamon completes this flavor. It reminds me of apple flavored instant oatmeal with the little pieces of apple in it. A true comfort food in vape form!

Boba Tea (plain) - OMG, this might be tantamount to blasphemy, but I disliked this one so much :( Like all the worst qualities of a coconut vape that I mentioned above (musty, dry, bitter) without any other redeeming qualities to balance it out for my particular palate. I will definitely let this one sit for a few weeks and try again, but it may just not be for me. If anyone else is not a fan of this juice, I'd love to know I'm not alone here :confused:

I feel a little guilty about this mixed review based on some of the glowingly positive reviews that I've seen others post, but I am actually quite impressed with the Orange Cream and the Apple Tarte, and would definitely re-order from them again. I would love to try some of their other fruit creams and bakery flavors! :)

The only flavor you reviewed that I have tasted is the Boba Tea Plain. I find it to be an interesting vape. It is not an all day vape for me. I like it better after a couple weeks steep and it is a flavor that I find hard to describe, but it grows on me. I like it for an afternoon vape when I am done with my Smooth Criminal for a while. I think I like its lack of strong flavors more than something that stands out flavorwise, if that makes sense.
 

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Good article imo, headline aside. I am not sure where you read the part about the coils. To me it was clear that the authors of the study were saying that the nic juice, pg and vg produce a lot more formaldehyde when the heat is intense, and they seem to say dripping is really bad. This is really important info, imo.

Most of us know deep down that we are engaging in harm reduction, and not harm elimination, and the more studies the better. Especially when there is this developing sub-culture intent on producing more and more wattage, as if vaping has become a competitive sport.

Yeah, it's unfortunate that some of these studies give ammunition to the anti-vaping crowd, but i am for more and more studies, even if we may not like the results.

edit :most relevant part of article imo :

Both studies point to the same phenomenon: Intense heat can change the composition of e-liquids, creating new chemicals. Importantly, the researchers said, the chemical reactions apply not only to the liquid nicotine, but also to two other crucial ingredients in most e-liquids: vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol.

Precisely what level of heat causes the reaction is difficult to pinpoint. The Roswell research found, generally, that when battery voltage increased to 4.8 volts from 3.2 volts, toxin levels increased markedly.

There have been plenty of tests done showing that if PG and VG are heated to the proper levels of providing vapor, without tasting burnt, etc. that they don't give off toxins. Of course, if you burn it, it will. Anything burnt and consumed is carcinogenic, including toast ;) Under normal vaping conditions, the liquid actually acts like a coolant, and this is partially what keeps it safe. Assuming the other ingredients, besides PG & VG are not toxic. This may be where the FDA could actually help, with vendors that don't do their own due diligence, unlike Ahlusion, of course. Another example of a scare a lot of people had was with stainless steel mesh. There were articles going around saying it could become toxic if heated too much. Turned out the toxic levels were at around 800 degrees F. That would be glowing blue, and far far hotter than anyone vapes, and much hotter than when people use a torch to oxidise them. I stopped using SS mesh anyway (only used it very briefly, in fact), just to be on the extra safe side, and for better flavor with cotton micros.

Should there be more studies? Absolutely. There can't be too many of them. There has long been a consistent pattern of various opposition parties latching onto isolated, scary, negative findings, which don't represent at all the majority of products. The public definitely needs the information to avoid the bad stuff, I agree, but we also need to be diligent in countering, or debunking, the scare tactics.
 

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For a company like nJoy which has been very active in it's fight against flavors and accusing smaller liquid vendors of catering to teens, to make such an abrupt turnabout, is fascinating. Do they know something, the rest of us don't ? But, the fact that they are moving into flavors and pv's is a good sign in general.

This future news by NJoy could get very interesting;

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=564889





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Good article imo, headline aside. I am not sure where you read the part about the coils. To me it was clear that the authors of the study were saying that the nic juice, pg and vg produce a lot more formaldehyde when the heat is intense, and they seem to say dripping is really bad. This is really important info, imo.

Most of us know deep down that we are engaging in harm reduction, and not harm elimination, and the more studies the better. Especially when there is this developing sub-culture intent on producing more and more wattage, as if vaping has become a competitive sport.

Yeah, it's unfortunate that some of these studies give ammunition to the anti-vaping crowd, but i am for more and more studies, even if we may not like the results.

edit :most relevant part of article imo :

Both studies point to the same phenomenon: Intense heat can change the composition of e-liquids, creating new chemicals. Importantly, the researchers said, the chemical reactions apply not only to the liquid nicotine, but also to two other crucial ingredients in most e-liquids: vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol.

Precisely what level of heat causes the reaction is difficult to pinpoint. The Roswell research found, generally, that when battery voltage increased to 4.8 volts from 3.2 volts, toxin levels increased markedly.

Increasing a battery's voltage really doesn't say much considering I could increase to 5v and be using a 3Ω atty or rock a 3.7v with a 1.5Ω and actually have slightly more heat with a lower voltage and lower Ω. But the devil is always in the details.

Formaldehyde release in ecigarette vapor The New York Times story explained in detail

Response and insight into the article by Dr. F.
 
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My question would be who did this study and who funded it. It almost sounds like it is one of those studies pointing to the 'safety' of a cigalike with those itsy bitsy batteries and low voltage capabilities. I did not read the study so this is just conjecture. I think we are going to see lots of 'studies' producing preferred results for the party(ies) pulling the strings.

The article does say who did the studies. As to who paid for it, it wasn't mentioned. These are just two studies. We don't know the details or methodology used obviously, but it's a mistake, i believe, to dismiss the findings, solely because we don't like the results. We should not have the same knee-jerk reaction we accuse the other side of having ( i don't mean you btw Shari ).

Formaldehyde is just one carcinogen, out of about sixty that cigarette smoke has. All those sixty carcinogens together, are likely not as harmful as tar, which vapor doesn't have. It's important to realize this, and emphasize that vaping is harm reduction, not elimination. It's good to question studies and delve deeper into the findings, but we ought to be careful not to come across as defensive, and engage in ad-hominem attacks. It's ironic that nJoy itself has decided to move into tank systems, and i predict Altria, Lorillard and Reynolds will follow suit.
 

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There have been plenty of tests done showing that if PG and VG are heated to the proper levels of providing vapor, without tasting burnt, etc. that they don't give off toxins. Of course, if you burn it, it will. Anything burnt and consumed is carcinogenic, including toast ;) Under normal vaping conditions, the liquid actually acts like a coolant, and this is partially what keeps it safe. Assuming the other ingredients, besides PG & VG are not toxic. This may be where the FDA could actually help, with vendors that don't do their own due diligence, unlike Ahlusion, of course. Another example of a scare a lot of people had was with stainless steel mesh. There were articles going around saying it could become toxic if heated too much. Turned out the toxic levels were at around 800 degrees F. That would be glowing blue, and far far hotter than anyone vapes, and much hotter than when people use a torch to oxidise them. I stopped using SS mesh anyway (only used it very briefly, in fact), just to be on the extra safe side, and for better flavor with cotton micros.

Should there be more studies? Absolutely. There can't be too many of them. There has long been a consistent pattern of various opposition parties latching onto isolated, scary, negative findings, which don't represent at all the majority of products. The public definitely needs the information to avoid the bad stuff, I agree, but we also need to be diligent in countering, or debunking, the scare tactics.

I hear you Mozzer, but it seemed to me that you glossed over the article and assumed they are talking about the coils, when they were talking about nic, pg and vg. What is the proper level ? I doubt, that the level would be something as subjective as tasting burnt.

I'm not sure what you mean by the due diligence Ahlusion is engaged in. Ahlusion likely does not have the money to comply with all the requirements of the proposed regulation Lawyers were estimating that it would cost upwards of one million dollars just to adhere to the requirements of the 'substantial equivalency' part. Unfortunately Lorillard, Altria and Reynolds all have a dog in this fight (Blu, Mark Ten and Greensmoke, and Vuse i think ). They have the money. nJoy, Logic, Johnson Creek and MBV likely have the money. Who else ?

I wasn't suggesting that you are opposed to studies btw, and i do agree that we need to counter and debunk, but we need to be careful in how we do it, and not come across as defensive.

edit : maybe i misunderstood you, and you were disputing that what they measured was vapor from liquid, but that it was more likely it was vapor/smoke from burning coils because the wicking was insufficient? Not clear on this :)
 
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Increasing a battery's voltage really doesn't say much considering I could increase to 5v and be using a 3Ω atty or rock a 3.7v with a 1.5Ω and actually have slightly more heat with a lower voltage and lower Ω. But the devil is always in the details.

Formaldehyde release in ecigarette vapor The New York Times story explained in detail

Response and insight into the article by Dr. F.

i assume they did the study with the resistance of the atty staying constant.

Interesting explanation by Dr. F. He doesn't dispute the findings, but the context, and also seems to admit that dripping may lead to higher formaldehyde levels, because there is less control over liquid delivery !?
 
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The article does say who did the studies. As to who paid for it, it wasn't mentioned. These are just two studies. We don't know the details or methodology used obviously, but it's a mistake, i believe, to dismiss the findings, solely because we don't like the results. We should not have the same knee-jerk reaction we accuse the other side of having ( i don't mean you btw Shari ).

Formaldehyde is just one carcinogen, out of about sixty that cigarette smoke has. All those sixty carcinogens together, are likely not as harmful as tar, which vapor doesn't have. It's important to realize this, and emphasize that vaping is harm reduction, not elimination. It's good to question studies and delve deeper into the findings, but we ought to be careful not to come across as defensive, and engage in ad-hominem attacks. It's ironic that nJoy itself has decided to move into tank systems, and i predict Altria, Lorillard and Reynolds will follow suit.

I think what I am trying to say is that whether it is one study or 100 studies, the data will be parsed and taken out of context and reported as fact with the resulting conclusions being as varied as there are opinions. I would love to see 100 studies. I just believe that it will be difficult to get the studies comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges with scientists that know what they are supposed to be studying. Then to get the results analyzed by knowledgeable experts who actually know what vaping is, not smoking or combustion or what the second hand vape will do to the one-winged carnivorous cockroach that will become extinct because of it. (Just joking about the poor non existent cockroach).

Somebody has to fund a controlled study that uses real people vaping real devices and vaping real eliquids. Not machines creating vapor from obscure eliquids and flavorings. People who know when the dog is really a cat and stop the study or report that cats were used instead of dogs. Don't analyze and publish garbage, then legislate on those findings.
 

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I hear you Mozzer, but it seemed to me that you glossed over the article and assumed they are talking about the coils, when they were talking about nic, pg and vg. What is the proper level ? I doubt, that the level would be something as subjective as tasting burnt.

I'm not sure what you mean by the due diligence Ahlusion is engaged in. Ahlusion likely does not have the money to comply with all the requirements of the proposed regulation Lawyers were estimating that it would cost upwards of one million dollars just to adhere to the requirements of the 'substantial equivalency' part. Unfortunately Lorillard, Altria and Reynolds all have a dog in this fight (Blu, Mark Ten and Greensmoke, and Vuse i think ). They have the money. Johnson Creek and MBV likely have the money. Who else ?

I wasn't suggesting that you are opposed to studies btw, and i do agree that we need to counter and debunk, but we need to be careful in how we do it, and not come across as defensive.

In my early days of vaping - coming up on a year ago now - I did a ton of research. I found a number of studies measuring toxins in various devices, and nearly all of them were negligible. I'd have to research again to provide references, but I satisfied myself at that time. Meanwhile, I saw repeated publication of isolated findings, fixated, conveniently, on some faulty product. They are out there, for sure. This is largely why I decided to build my own atomisers. I also researched the various build materials and methods for oxidization, etc., until I was satisfied that I had a reasonably safe system. You are right that we are doing risk reduction and not elimination, and we take risks all the time, either knowingly or otherwise. You are certainly very wise to do your own due diligence, and I will continue to evaluate information that becomes available, as well.

Vaping is not terribly new, and there have been a lot of concerned people over the years looking into the safety. My main point is that opponents are not going to be scientific about it. That likely won't further their cause. I have not yet seen any regulations that are particularly rational. This includes major municipalities making vaping exactly like cigarettes and forcing people, who have moved beyond the very well proven hazardous practice of smoking, to hang out with those who haven't, risking exposure to second hand smoke, and possibly temptation into reverting to the bad stuff. This all without showing that second hand vapor poses any risk. All of the findings I have read indicate that there are no toxins in exhaled vapor, and only trace nicotine.

Regarding Ahlusion, I just meant that they use natural and FDA approved ingredients. At least as consumed as food. I honestly don't know if they have measured for toxins in the vapor produced by their juices, but I have read other tests that indicate that natural food extracts don't appear to be toxic when vaporised.

Sorry if I seemed defensive. I just firmly believe that if the FDA, and any other regulators who care to, would use true science (which they likely won't, in spite of stating that they plan to), then regulations on vapor products would be reasonable. We would still have access, minors would be as protected as is reasonable, consumers would have the information they need to choose wisely, etc. So far, I have not seen anything scientific that indicates any reasonable danger, and believe me I have looked. I have acknowledged from the beginning that there are still plenty of unknowns, and that in itself represents risk. However, there are enough indicators regarding relative safety, for me, to take that risk.
 

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In my early days of vaping - coming up on a year ago now - I did a ton of research. I found a number of studies measuring toxins in various devices, and nearly all of them were negligible. I'd have to research again to provide references, but I satisfied myself at that time. Meanwhile, I saw repeated publication of isolated findings, fixated, conveniently, on some faulty product. They are out there, for sure. This is largely why I decided to build my own atomisers. I also researched the various build materials and methods for oxidization, etc., until I was satisfied that I had a reasonably safe system. You are right that we are doing risk reduction and not elimination, and we take risks all the time, either knowingly or otherwise. You are certainly very wise to do your own due diligence, and I will continue to evaluate information that becomes available, as well.

Vaping is not terribly new, and there have been a lot of concerned people over the years looking into the safety. My main point is that opponents are not going to be scientific about it. That likely won't further their cause. I have not yet seen any regulations that are particularly rational. This includes major municipalities making vaping exactly like cigarettes and forcing people, who have moved beyond the very well proven hazardous practice of smoking, to hang out with those who haven't, risking exposure to second hand smoke, and possibly temptation into reverting to the bad stuff. This all without showing that second hand vapor poses any risk. All of the findings I have read indicate that there are no toxins in exhaled vapor, and only trace nicotine.

Regarding Ahlusion, I just meant that they use natural and FDA approved ingredients. At least as consumed as food. I honestly don't know if they have measured for toxins in the vapor produced by their juices, but I have read other tests that indicate that natural food extracts don't appear to be toxic when vaporised.

Sorry if I seemed defensive. I just firmly believe that if the FDA, and any other regulators who care to, would use true science (which they likely won't, in spite of stating that they plan to), then regulations on vapor products would be reasonable. We would still have access, minors would be as protected as is reasonable, consumers would have the information they need to choose wisely, etc. So far, I have not seen anything scientific that indicates any reasonable danger, and believe me I have looked. I have acknowledged from the beginning that there are still plenty of unknowns, and that in itself represents risk. However, there are enough indicators regarding relative safety, for me, to take that risk.

True all dat Mozzer ! Couldn't agree more with virtually everything you have written. I just thought that your immediate reaction to this particular article was a little rash. NYT is my hometown paper and their e Cig coverage has been atrocious, believe me. It has made my blood boil at times. This particular one wasn't that bad though, not withstanding the title, which was sensationalized.

I do realize, however, that your reaction wasn't formed in a vacuum. Unfortunately, until we have studies, done by scientists who understand vaping, and reported on by journalists who understand vaping, and printed in media with no political agenda in this regard, we have to expect skewed coverage.
 

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I think what I am trying to say is that whether it is one study or 100 studies, the data will be parsed and taken out of context and reported as fact with the resulting conclusions being as varied as there are opinions. I would love to see 100 studies. I just believe that it will be difficult to get the studies comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges with scientists that know what they are supposed to be studying. Then to get the results analyzed by knowledgeable experts who actually know what vaping is, not smoking or combustion or what the second hand vape will do to the one-winged carnivorous cockroach that will become extinct because of it. (Just joking about the poor non existent cockroach).

Somebody has to fund a controlled study that uses real people vaping real devices and vaping real eliquids. Not machines creating vapor from obscure eliquids and flavorings. People who know when the dog is really a cat and stop the study or report that cats were used instead of dogs. Don't analyze and publish garbage, then legislate on those findings.

Yes. Agreed !
 

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In my early days of vaping - coming up on a year ago now - I did a ton of research. I found a number of studies measuring toxins in various devices, and nearly all of them were negligible. I'd have to research again to provide references, but I satisfied myself at that time. Meanwhile, I saw repeated publication of isolated findings, fixated, conveniently, on some faulty product. They are out there, for sure. This is largely why I decided to build my own atomisers. I also researched the various build materials and methods for oxidization, etc., until I was satisfied that I had a reasonably safe system. You are right that we are doing risk reduction and not elimination, and we take risks all the time, either knowingly or otherwise. You are certainly very wise to do your own due diligence, and I will continue to evaluate information that becomes available, as well.

Vaping is not terribly new, and there have been a lot of concerned people over the years looking into the safety. My main point is that opponents are not going to be scientific about it. That likely won't further their cause. I have not yet seen any regulations that are particularly rational. This includes major municipalities making vaping exactly like cigarettes and forcing people, who have moved beyond the very well proven hazardous practice of smoking, to hang out with those who haven't, risking exposure to second hand smoke, and possibly temptation into reverting to the bad stuff. This all without showing that second hand vapor poses any risk. All of the findings I have read indicate that there are no toxins in exhaled vapor, and only trace nicotine.

Regarding Ahlusion, I just meant that they use natural and FDA approved ingredients. At least as consumed as food. I honestly don't know if they have measured for toxins in the vapor produced by their juices, but I have read other tests that indicate that natural food extracts don't appear to be toxic when vaporised.

Sorry if I seemed defensive. I just firmly believe that if the FDA, and any other regulators who care to, would use true science (which they likely won't, in spite of stating that they plan to), then regulations on vapor products would be reasonable. We would still have access, minors would be as protected as is reasonable, consumers would have the information they need to choose wisely, etc. So far, I have not seen anything scientific that indicates any reasonable danger, and believe me I have looked. I have acknowledged from the beginning that there are still plenty of unknowns, and that in itself represents risk. However, there are enough indicators regarding relative safety, for me, to take that risk.

Well see that's one of the things I think would have helped a bit. If vendors had enough cohonas to have listed all of their ingredients for their juices and kept records and samples with lot numbers maybe it wouldn't have come to all this. Put labels on their bottles that said something besides contains nicotine, hell Idk what all in is the flavor compounds. Didn't really care..lol
I quit smoking vaping. Bet I live a few years longer too. Hell, if the FDA wants a lab rat I'll volunteer..as long as they buy my Ahlusion juices! :p
 

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And....wait for it, wait for it......there you go, the hook has been set!

Order with confidence Malkin. I've not had a bad Ahlusion juice to date

No doubt, Randy C! I am definitely a believer now. I have tried Caramel Wild Wood, Blueberry Vanilla Cake, Strawberry Vanilla Cake, Kona Kick, and Peaches and Cream so far. Peaches and Cream is the only one that didn't wow me, so it will steep for a little. The others are on the reorder list and I still have to try a few more from my order. They will be my only vendor for a while. So many flavors to try now! Now what to do with my other juices. I guess you might see a few pop up in the classifieds. :D
 
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