All these new hybrids hitting the market

[tc1]

and they are all still producing them in limited quantities. Arggghh!

Can't wait until the Chinese hybrids start popping up at vendor sites. Would be cool if a US company started producing decent quantities but I just don't see it happening for awhile ... not when they can increase profit margin by selling the 'limited run' factor.

 

[Royaldrunker]

us companys are producing them with tanks in the $120 range

 

[tc1]

us companys are producing them with tanks in the $120 range

Readily available? Price isn't the issue as much as availability. I just don't have the time to stalk websites and specific vendor threads in hopes I might be online when they go on sale. Wouldn't be as much of a problem if I was allowed to use my phone at work, where I could be notified and purchase one on the spot.

Anywhoo ... care to share some of the us vendors you speak of?

 

[Quoiyaien]

The ihybrid seem to be the most available hybrid on the market... They usually go on sale around 8pm central. The LE's are hard to get (usually sell out in 2 minutes of being posted) but the standard models are more readily available.. although he is changing the design, so I expect there will be a huge demand for the new standards initially...

 

[cyclotron]

I agree tc1, you hit the nail on the head with me. I have a wife, two kids, and full time job, and several other hobbies. I suppose I could write some code to alert me when something goes available but why would I spend more time to do that?
I've been waiting on the Cisco AMP tank too but it hasn't been released yet.

I'm interested in the company you speak of too Royaldrunker. 120USD hybrid from a US company I can go buy right now?

Would it be too much to ask that a good design group get even a generic version of their gear mass produced? I can totally see a market for both the more custom mods and a mass produced one.

 

[Thrasher]

and they are all still producing them in limited quantities. Arggghh!

Can't wait until the Chinese hybrids start popping up at vendor sites. Would be cool if a US company started producing decent quantities but I just don't see it happening for awhile ... not when they can increase profit margin by selling the 'limited run' factor.

i get miffed at the thought of limited runs but many of the higher end shops really are only a handful of people if that many, you can only mill and finish so many tubes a day when its just 2-3 people. and im sure from blank to finished mod is more then a few hours total per unit when its said and done.
then heaven forbid something like a storm comes along and wipes your shop out like zen or siam mods. or even a machine fails and you need to wait 4 weeks for some german company to send a new this or that (happens where i work)

then theres the GG thing. act like your all that and people walk and suppliers drop off and ooops guess i dont make those anymore lol

 

[tc1]

Yeah, I understand that many of these suppliers have limited "hands on deck" but you would think after awhile they could increase production like just about any other maker of any other product on the planet. Some of these producers have went on record in interviews stating the amount of money they are spending on new equipment and what not ... and we are talking about HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of dollars as they claimed.

With that kind of money being thrown at their business ... you would think increased productivity would be in the equation. Even if you outsource a "standard" version that is widely available and is released in mass quantities at a time for the general public. I can't help but think that the lack of increased production will only hurt them in the long run. The demand for hybrids and genesis style devices is at an all time high and China companies are swooping in to meet that demand. They're not just CLONING devices anymore either ... they're starting to produce high quality, easy to get, and well working products of their own at a fraction of the cost.

I mean ... I'm starting to find it hard to recommend to someone to go out and buy a $100-$200 genesis atomizer when you can buy one for $25-$30 that works just as well and is made of the same materials that will arrive at your doorstep in a few days. While I understand the "exclusiveness" and "collect-ability" of higher end devices ... I feel in the end these companies are just cornering themselves into a niche market that will slowly dwindle.

Because in the end ... most people don't really care about rarity, they just want something that works and works well. If they can get it at a cheap price and at their door QUICKLY, I think most will choose this option as the market grows. I just don't see how you can plan to grow your business overtime if you continue to market to a niche group in a relatively small consumer base. Especially when other parts of the world begin to meet the quantity demand of the overall consumer base.

Most businesses survive by increasing production and lowering costs to stay competitive. If you can't meet demand ... people will begin to purchase elsewhere. Can you imagine if Rolex only produced several runs per months? They'd be yesterdays news in a heartbeat ... regardless of "exclusiveness". Another high end watch company who could meet demand would beat them to the ground.

 

[bigwickedvapar]

i have a zenesis standard leaving me wanting another hybrid, just wish they was more available, like a ihybrid or one of the orions or even a mac.... i would like to have a zenesis bam or cobalt but cant find any for sale unfort....

 

[eddiezheadiez]

Ive come to realize that LITERALLY ANYTHING I want in the vape world is OUT OF STOCK... it makes me sad.

 

[Thrasher]

With that kind of money being thrown at their business ... you would think increased productivity would be in the equation. Even if you outsource a "standard" version that is widely available and is released in mass quantities at a time for the general public.

oh i agree wholeheartedly, if i had a design and it was a hit say for example, the somnium i would find another shop to help with at least some of the partsm finishing, fitting, something. i would rather take a hit on per unit profit and make it back in volume, then watch someone else come out with something to steal potential sales, but then again there seems to be no shortage of people willing to wait so why rush?

im not saying the aga is a clone of anything but is shows what happens when things are delayed they sell enough of one design and have the resources to revise it then that one gets a bit better then sells out on and on, im sure every version will be a bit better then the last.

and hybrids are all over the classies......
put a WTB ad and someone will usually stop by lol

 

[Arctherus]

Ive come to realize that LITERALLY ANYTHING I want in the vape world is OUT OF STOCK... it makes me sad.

Story of our lives. hahahaha

 

[kiwivap]

With that kind of money being thrown at their business ... you would think increased productivity would be in the equation. Even if you outsource a "standard" version that is widely available and is released in mass quantities at a time for the general public. I can't help but think that the lack of increased production will only hurt them in the long run. The demand for hybrids and genesis style devices is at an all time high and China companies are swooping in to meet that demand. They're not just CLONING devices anymore either ... they're starting to produce high quality, easy to get, and well working products of their own at a fraction of the cost.

Yep. We're not in Kansas anymore Toto. The game has changed and will probably change more. I've got a CCTS waiting for me to pick up and an AGA-T+ on the way. Total cost to me is $65 instead of around $300.

 

[ckone180]

I think the delayed releasing of certain products is part of the marketing. It seems to keep the demand high. Then there is the "LE" designs, which are definitely a marketing ploy.

The thing I see about all this, is that these makers sell to the same crowd. Look how many iHy models each person owns that clearly demonstrates who the niche market contains.

If our community begins to ignore some of these games, may be they would stop their antics. However, that is not likely to occur.

 

[Royaldrunker]

yes some of the most desireable models are usually sold out or sell out in under a minute

precise plus or the new ela are always available and some of the best pieces on the market to date

 

[jimmyh]

I understand about having only a couple of people making units but other countries are beginning to copy designs that will hurt them. Example is the Empire mod k100 Battery | Shenzhen Kamry Technology Co., Ltd|E-Cigarette,Electronic Cigarette

 

[SavePaperVapor]

Used to play the f5 game. No more. I just buy knock offs, unless the real McCoy is available. As a customer I shouldn't have to wait and if that's the case I move on.

 

[Algernon]

I just don't attempt to buy .... that isn't readily available. Go buy a legacy and an AGA-T and enjoy it.