Almost a week in and have some more questions

[krykiett]

Hello fellow ECFers!

It's been five days and I am loving it so far. Now that I am beyond the switch from analogs to the PV, I have more questions!

Background: Heavy smoker, became a heavy vaper. At a majority of suggestions I went with the 510, which is now becoming my mom's PV. After three days of use and some research I think I've realized a few something: I need a stronger PV; so I order the Boge Leo.

Question One: From what I understand the volts are what give to the TH and vapor, where the mAmps control the length of charge, correct me if I am wrong?

The reviews of the Leo were good(excellent in fact), and I think it's going to be a stronger unit, but again, please correct me if I am wrong. That being said, The Leo was my first choice, but I went with the 510 because I really didn't know what to expect.... So I guess it's a good thing my mom likes it

Question Two: I am currently using 16 or 18mg juice(can't remember which), but will the strength have a major impact on TH? If so, I need to go up because it just doesn't seem strong enough... Or is that based purely on the PV?

I think the 510 is great for what it is, but it just doesn't seem strong enough! It seems like a good PV for a moderate/light type smoker. I want to vape for hours, sitting at my computer, with a strong TH from start to finish(or as close to it as I can come). The 510 just doesn't seem like it was designed for a vaper like myself!

Question Three: When I ordered the 510 I got a tobacco, a coffee, a cherry, and a mint juice; I've been a menthol smoker for 7 years, but so far out of those four my favorite is the coffee(almost gone >.<)! I am getting ready to do another order and considering the coffee is really good, what other flavors fall in that category? Like, a robust, full flavor?

Thanks again guys for listening and helping, this community is amazing!

 

[banjo]

Attys that burn hotter, such as the LR510 (LR= low resistance) will produce more TH, as well as a higher nic level, and a juice with more PG - VG based juice provides more vapor, but less TH and flavor. I get all of my juices with an 80%PG/20%VG base level. Works great!

 

[krykiett]

Attys that burn hotter, such as the LR510 (LR= low resistance) will produce more TH, as well as a higher nic level, and a juice with more PG - VG based juice provides more vapor, but less TH and flavor. I get all of my juices with an 80%PG/20%VG base level. Works great!

So more PG based juices will give more vapor? >.< lol, I am still learning, obviously. The learning curve isn't that bad, but it is a lot of information to retain!

 

[tybin]

pg juices will give throat hit. vg will be vapor

 

[Automaton]

Hey nerdbox! Yeah, I felt the same way about the 510. It's a great unit... just not enough for me as a former heavy, full-flavor and/or filterless smoker.

You're correct about voltage and mAh, but I don't think the Leo is higher voltage. If it is, then not by much. You would need to get a mod to achieve higher voltage, or to run an LR atomizer safely, which is another way of achieving more power.

You would use a regular atomizer on a 5v or 6v mod. Or you would run an LR atomizer on a 3.7v mod. Some people run them on eGo's and Riva's, but it over-stresses the batteries and isn't recommended.

The Leo's atomizer is new, and proprietary, so I'm not sure if they even make LR's for the Leo or if the battery could handle it. You're right, it does have good reviews. But I'm not entirely sure it will give you more power.

Then again, the eGo hits a little harder than the 510 and it's the same voltage. Although that's mostly due to the cone narrowing the airflow and heating up the vapor. Take off the cone and it doesn't feel that different from a regular 510. The Leo has no cone that I'm aware.

Higher nic will give you a stronger throat hit. And so will PG-heavy juice. That may also help solve some of your problems with not getting a good enough hit, although I am certainly with you on the 510's meager battery life.

If it were me? I might be looking into a mod rather than the Leo. It's possible increasing your nic and the PG content of your juice might solve your problem though, and in that case the Leo might be a good fit. It certainly has much better battery life and it should give you hours of vaping.

Try 24mg 70%+ PG juice, and see if that gets you where you want to be. If it still leave you needing more in terms of the strength of the hit, check out mods.

 

[krykiett]

pg juices will give throat hit. vg will be vapor

I must have read the above comment wrong at first; after your comment I went back and re-read it and it made more sense! lol

Thanks for clarifying!

 

[krykiett]

Hey nerdbox! Yeah, I felt the same way about the 510. It's a great unit... just not enough for me as a former heavy, full-flavor and/or filterless smoker.

You're correct about voltage and mAh, but I don't think the Leo is higher voltage. If it is, then not by much. You would need to get a mod to achieve higher voltage, or to run an LR atomizer safely, which is another way of achieving more power.

The Leo's atomizer is new, and proprietary, some I'm not sure if they even make LR's for the Leo. You're right, it does have good reviews. But I'm not entirely sure it will give you more power.

Higher nic will give you a stronger throat hit. And so will PG-heavy juice. That may also help solve some of your problems with not getting a good enough hit, although I am certainly with you on the 510's meager battery life.

If it were me? I might be looking into a mod rather than the Leo. It's possible increasing your nic and the PG content of your juice might solve your problem though, and in that case the Leo might be a good fit. It certainly has much better battery life and it should give you hours of vaping.

Try 24mg 70%+ PG juice, and see if that gets you where you want to be. If it still leave you needing more in terms of the strength of the hit, check out mods.

From what I understand, it's also how the voltage is delivered to the atty, which I think is where the different resistance attys come in, but that is all over my head!

I think I got 50-50 juice, so swapping to a 70% or 80% will probably help me a lot. So I'll grab some 24mg 70/30 juice this time I think.

As for the Leo itself, I think it comes down to just wanting it. lol. You know what I mean? Besides, 4 times the vaping time on a charge(or it seems that way from my calculations) seems like a major bonus to me.

Thanks for the response

 

[Automaton]

Yes, one way that comes into play is with different resistance atties. I don't know what resistance the Leo atties are, but most regular atties are between 2.5ohm and 3ohm. Another is some other factor of the battery itself which I don't even fully understand, but basically there are some "3.7v" e-cigs that run at more like 3.2v. This includes the 510. And the eGo for that matter.

The Leo is also rated at 3.7v. As to whether it has this weird battery anomaly causing it to run a little lower, no idea. Not all of them do. Is it a huge difference? Eh, not really. I can tell if I'm paying attention though. But normally I don't notice too much difference.

Totally. If you just want it... get it!

It's entirely possible an increase in nic and PG will solve your problems.

 

[krykiett]

Yes, one way that comes into play is with different resistance atties. I don't know what resistance the Leo atties are, but most regular atties are between 2.5ohm and 3ohm. Another is some other factor of the battery itself which I don't even fully understand, but basically there are some "3.7v" e-cigs that run at more like 3.2v. This includes the 510. And the eGo for that matter.

The Leo is also rated at 3.7v. As to whether it has this weird battery anomaly causing it to run a little lower, no idea. Not all of them do. Is it a huge difference? Eh, not really. I can tell if I'm paying attention though. But normally I don't notice too much difference.

Totally. If you just want it... get it!

It's entirely possible an increase in nic and PG will solve your problems.

Now that I am a little smarter and further along, it's time to make another purchase of juice. At least the first PV didn't put me in the hole since my mom took the cost of it when she decided she wanted it, lol

 

[Drozd]

From what I understand, it's also how the voltage is delivered to the atty, which I think is where the different resistance attys come in, but that is all over my head!

I think I got 50-50 juice, so swapping to a 70% or 80% will probably help me a lot. So I'll grab some 24mg 70/30 juice this time I think.

As for the Leo itself, I think it comes down to just wanting it. lol. You know what I mean? Besides, 4 times the vaping time on a charge(or it seems that way from my calculations) seems like a major bonus to me.

Thanks for the response

lol really that's what it comes down to...just wanting it...I'll admit the cover is kinda cool and all sorts of bling filled...almost makes me want one just because
but it's a 2.5Ω proprietary atty on a mosfet equipped battery...
so it's going to perform exactly like a 510 only with a longer battery life between charges... it's essentially a 1300mAh usb eGo battery .... (but with proprietary atty)

not trying to rain on your parade at all..
just saying that if it's improved performance you want ...I'd ask if you have any soldering skill...
you'd probably be best served with a mod (and box mods can be made cheaply and quickly)
so far as far as getting the warmth, TH, flavor, and vapor the best experience for me has been a simple box mod with a 510 connection, a high drain IMR 14500 battery, a cisco LR 306 atty (with the bridge removed) , and a short 306 Drip tip (yes it requires dripping)
or a 18650 battery equipped bottom feeding mod with the same atty and drip tip

 

[krykiett]

lol really that's what it comes down to...just wanting it...I'll admit the cover is kinda cool and all sorts of bling filled...almost makes me want one just because
but it's a 2.5Ω proprietary atty on a mosfet equipped battery...
so it's going to perform exactly like a 510 only with a longer battery life between charges... it's essentially a 1300mAh usb eGo battery .... (but with proprietary atty)

not trying to rain on your parade at all..
just saying that if it's improved performance you want ...I'd ask if you have any soldering skill...
you'd probably be best served with a mod (and box mods can be made cheaply and quickly)
so far as far as getting the warmth, TH, flavor, and vapor the best experience for me has been a simple box mod with a 510 connection, a high drain IMR 14500 battery, a cisco LR 306 atty (with the bridge removed) , and a short 306 Drip tip (yes it requires dripping)
or a 18650 battery equipped bottom feeding mod with the same atty and drip tip

I am sure I'll get to mods soon enough, they seem fun and exotic.

I suppose you are right, I just wanted to justify the Leo purchase and I suppose there isn't a reason to justify it. I just want it lol.

As I said before, i am going to try stronger/different juice set up and see what that does for now, but when I move into the mods I will for sure be all over this forum! ha ha

 

[FranC]

If you like coffee try the Expresso from BackWoodsBrew. I love the stuff. Great flavor.

 

[Drozd]

I am sure I'll get to mods soon enough, they seem fun and exotic.

I suppose you are right, I just wanted to justify the Leo purchase and I suppose there isn't a reason to justify it. I just want it lol.

As I said before, i am going to try stronger/different juice set up and see what that does for now, but when I move into the mods I will for sure be all over this forum! ha ha

lol I totally understand the whole trying to justify things to yourself thing...

but think too that you're tying yourself into 1 atomizer that is the exact same resistance as a 510 or a 306...so it takes away some versitility of trying different things...
meanwhile if you have soldering skill a box mod can be built for about $8-$10....couple that with the right battery and it's versitile to try out lots of different options...

but better yet see when the next get together is for the MI vapers...depending on what part of the state you're in...heck even I'm right on the ohio michigan border.... good people and they may let you try their stuff..

 

[krykiett]

lol I totally understand the whole trying to justify things to yourself thing...

but think too that you're tying yourself into 1 atomizer that is the exact same resistance as a 510 or a 306...so it takes away some versitility of trying different things...
meanwhile if you have soldering skill a box mod can be built for about $8-$10....couple that with the right battery and it's versitile to try out lots of different options...

but better yet see when the next get together is for the MI vapers...depending on what part of the state you're in...heck even I'm right on the ohio michigan border.... good people and they may let you try their stuff..

Get togethers? What???

 

[Drozd]

oh yeah on the michigan vapers social forum... theres been at least 2 scheduled..bunch of vapers getting together for food, drinks, and vaping and to show off thier vape equipment and juices...

lol...

all in all a good way to check out different stuff

see here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/michigan-vapers/