Am I missing out on flavor??

[elan123]

Everyone is talking about voltages, and watts, and box mods and all kinds of stuff..

I am a new vaper, I have a Volcano Inferno (like an ego I think?). I use the clearomizers because the juice seems to taste better coming from a clearomizer than a cartomizer. I just bought the new and improved clearomizers from Volcano (they claim the plastic tube is thicker and the wick design is better). These clearomizers dont have fill, they are wick designed. Anyhow...

I like to fill up 5 XL clearomizers with 5 different juices and then just switch them out when I want a new flavor. I love this method because I never mix flavors like I would using an atomizer. And I don't have to clean the attys and all that nonsense... I just fill and vape. Want a new flavor? Twist off the one, twist on the other. No mixed flavors.

Am I missing out on something? What is not ideal about the way I am doing it? Does my juice not taste as good because of clearomizers or what not? I like the flavors usually... I am wondering if I am missing out on a lot of better flavor from these other gadgets?

Thanks!

 

[Debian Dog]

Certain juices taste better at certain voltages to certain people (myself included). You are not totally missing out but you can not really "dial it in" without a VV mod.

I HATED the clearomisers myself. The taste, for me, was way muted.

 

[B4DJ1N64N]

Higher voltages resulting hotter vapor, and better flavor for some e-liquids, better throat hit too. But some people don't like hot vapor, and for them, higher voltage makes the flavor gone, burnt taste, etc etc.
Everyone got their own preferences, some love the flavor but not throat hits, some love the throat hits and don't care about the flavor, and so on. If you are satisfied with your current setup, why worried about it?

 

[elan123]

Higher voltages resulting hotter vapor, and better flavor for some e-liquids, better throat hit too. But some people don't like hot vapor, and for them, higher voltage makes the flavor gone, burnt taste, etc etc.
Everyone got their own preferences, some love the flavor but not throat hits, some love the throat hits and don't care about the flavor, and so on. If you are satisfied with your current setup, why worried about it?

Guess I am worried about it because I only have about 3 juices I like out of like 20 samples... I wanted to try the hyped up BB and GJ from AVE, but everyone is talking about this voltage and that, don't want to waste more money on juices I won't like and I was wondering if it was due to my current setup.

 

[wfarrar33]

i doubt the voltage has that much of an affect on if you like the juice or not. I have yet to try a juice i didnt like on 3.7 that i love at 5v. Now i have tried some that i like at 3.7 and like better at 5 or 6v but if you like it you like it. Get BB and GJ and you will like them at whatever voltge.

Guess I am worried about it because I only have about 3 juices I like out of like 20 samples... I wanted to try the hyped up BB and GJ from AVE, but everyone is talking about this voltage and that, don't want to waste more money on juices I won't like and I was wondering if it was due to my current setup.

 

[Debian Dog]

i doubt the voltage has that much of an affect on if you like the juice or not.

RIGHT. i mean Humming Bird Nectar is nice at 3.7 at 2.0 ohm but, for me, it shines at 4.1.~4.2. But wfarrar33 is correct, you are not going to "like" something you do not like at a regular voltage.

 

[elan123]

i doubt the voltage has that much of an affect on if you like the juice or not. I have yet to try a juice i didnt like on 3.7 that i love at 5v. Now i have tried some that i like at 3.7 and like better at 5 or 6v but if you like it you like it. Get BB and GJ and you will like them at whatever voltge.

Thanks for the feedback. I will probably end up buying both anyhow.

As far as a VV setup goes, wheres a good place to get an inexpensive one? Im not so sure about buying used... seems strange to do with these things.

 

[Olef]

I came from ego tanks to the XL clearo's and the difference in flavour is remarkable. The clearo's are far superior in that respect. I use them on a Provari and dial in the voltage to whatever juice I am using to find the best flavour. Some will swear faffing about with drips of juice every two puffs is nirvana - not for me. XL clearo's on a VV PV are the best IMHO.

 

[markfm]

If you have things that work for you, even a handful, consider yourself lucky and don't sweat chasing other things.

If you want to try a bit more power, get some lower resistance cartomizers, around 2 ohms. I never tried clearomizers, but Boge 2 ohm low resistance cartomizers are pretty solid on the eGo/Riva/... 510 batteries. A 2 ohm carto on a 3.2V device yields 5W, petty reasonable. Personally I use a variable voltage (VV) device, run about 6 - 8W (power = heat/vapor/flavor, what som elike others don't).

For a cheap try of real higher power vaping, find a classic (no built-in battery) 510 pass-through, with a 2A rated USB power supply (either wall wart or cig lighter converter). That will run you about $20 - $25 total, you can run cartos or atties that are 2.5 ohms or greater on them. Madvapes is one source of the pass-throughs, litecigusa, other places undoubtedly carry them too -- just make sure that it isn't something called a "sit-and-go" or has other references to a battery.

I like 3.4 ohms and 4.5 - 5.2V, but people's tastes varies. You'll use more eliquid, but it's a noticeable change from lower voltage.

Good luck!

 

[elan123]

I came from ego tanks to the XL clearo's and the difference in flavour is remarkable. The clearo's are far superior in that respect. I use them on a Provari and dial in the voltage to whatever juice I am using to find the best flavour. Some will swear faffing about with drips of juice every two puffs is nirvana - not for me. XL clearo's on a VV PV are the best IMHO.

I tried dripping and it didn't taste any better to me and it was a PitA. So I can use XL clearo's on a VV PV... interesting. So I just get the VV Provari and XL clearos and I am good to go?

 

[TomCatt]

If you've found flavors that you like and aren't having problems with the clearos, vape on! I like the clearos too, only thing I'm using now.

If you have found flavors you're happy with and a set-up that's working for you and you want to explore what is out in the Vapverse, go for it. But I would, and do, look at it as 'what will I try next' not 'what must I try next'.

IMHO and my 1 cent (seem to have lost the other one somewhere )

 

[haft2doit]

I use xl clearos at 2.6-2.8 ohms and really love it. I've tried a little of everything and I always come back to the clearos. They have great flavor don't think you are missing out. Between filler cartos, atty's, and clearos I think the flavor and vapor from the clearo wins for me. I tend to get better flavor at lower voltages like the ego. I use my vv mods and 6v mods really only for the added throat hit and vapor. Flavor suffers at higher voltages for me. Don't go off spending money on the fantasy that this or that will be bliss. When it comes down to it , I think it's more the compulsion to try new things then working any better. I do go off and buy new things but I always return to the clearomizer in the end. What it comes down to is if YOU are happy with your setup. The forums among other things like great help and advice, also are for vendors to drum up excitement for products. Some things work better than others, but whats better for others may not be for some.

 

[wfarrar33]

old goat VV box mod, he has a thread on the forum

Thanks for the feedback. I will probably end up buying both anyhow.

As far as a VV setup goes, wheres a good place to get an inexpensive one? Im not so sure about buying used... seems strange to do with these things.

 

[Olef]

I tried dripping and it didn't taste any better to me and it was a PitA. So I can use XL clearo's on a VV PV... interesting. So I just get the VV Provari and XL clearos and I am good to go?

Yep, the Provari is just about the very best VV PV in my opinion, well worth the cost. It is a 510 connection so all you need is a Provari, a pack of 510 XL clearo's and your favourite juice and you're in vape heaven

 

[Debian Dog]

I would sooner get a Darwin over a Provari. I prefer a dial over buttons, as an added bonus. True wattage vaping

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ressions-newest-pre-production-prototype.html

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[zoiDman]

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Am I missing out on something? What is not ideal about the way I am doing it? Does my juice not taste as good because of clearomizers or what not? I like the flavors usually... I am wondering if I am missing out on a lot of better flavor from these other gadgets?

Thanks!

It sounds like your doing fine to me.

Some people swear by this or say that something else is the best. Nothing new. Because everyone is looking for a certain taste.

Me, I like Sweet Flavors. So when I crank up the voltage on my Provari, I get more TH but it doesn't taste as sweet. I actualy don't like a lot of TH so high voltage is not the direction I want to go.

But You may want a hotter hit with more TH. So high voltage is the thing for you. You just can't realy tell until you try it.

Same thing goes for PG : VG ratios. I like to see a huge plume of vapor when I exhale. Tells me that I just got a good hit. So my e-Liquids are 30%PG to 70%VG.

To some this would not give them enough TH. But once again, I don't care about TH.

So I say if you happy, all your hardware is working and your not doing analogs, your exactly where you should be.

 

[staypuffed]

i personally like using a 510 lr atty at 1.5 ohm ive tryed almost everything but always went back to dripping on the 510 lr at 3.7v find the flavor and th to be the best

 

[Thulium]

I have the Inferno from Volcano as well and it is great--you're doing fine and if you want some variety, as others have mentioned, try different atomizers/cartomizers/tankomizers. The "next step" is "high voltage" or variable voltage--the obvious advantage with VV is that you can turn it up or down to suit your taste, and some liquids work better at different temperatures than others so this is a great way to experiment and find your own sweet spot.

My recommendation: Stick with the Inferno and experiment with different atomizers and liquids until you can afford something like the ProVari or the Darwin. I'd recommend the Darwin because it allows you to select the Wattage so it doesn't matter if you are using a low resistance or high resistance atomizer--it will adjust for it automatically.

 

[dmj4]

Can you select the voltage with the Darwin, or just the wattage?

I have been trying to read about volts/watts/ohms and how they affect taste.
It is really confusing.
At first, I thought I would need VV, but now I'm wondering if selecting wattage would be better for me.

Here is what I do know:
I like the taste of most of my juices better on Ego-T (3.7 volts) with a LR 1.7ish atty and 1000mah battery better than I like it on a Go-Go (4.3 volts) and a 3ohm atty.

Does that mean I like my juice cooler? Would VV or variable wattage come nearer giving me adjustments in the range of what I like?

Thanks!

 

[Thulium]

Can you select the voltage with the Darwin, or just the wattage?

I have been trying to read about volts/watts/ohms and how they affect taste.
It is really confusing.
At first, I thought I would need VV, but now I'm wondering if selecting wattage would be better for me.

Here is what I do know:
I like the taste of most of my juices better on Ego-T (3.7 volts) with a LR 1.7ish atty and 1000mah battery better than I like it on a Go-Go (4.3 volts) and a 3ohm atty.

Does that mean I like my juice cooler? Would VV or variable wattage come nearer giving me adjustments in the range of what I like?

Thanks!

Ohm's Law: Power (watts) = Voltage (E) * Current (I)

"Low Resistance" atomizers have less surface area to draw more current and therefore produce more power to create a warmer vapor. "High Voltage" atomizers have more surface area but more power to create a thicker vapor.

For example:

• A "standard" 510 is 2.5 Ohms which, at 3.7V draws 1.48A for a total of 5.476 watts.
• The same atomizer at 5V draws 2.5A for up to 12.5W (if your battery can put out 2.5A--many can't do more than 2A for 10W)
• A 1.5Ohm "low resistance" atomizer at 3.7V, draws 2.46A for 9.1Watts.

The nice thing about the Darwin is you don't have to do any of this math because it automatically measures the resistance of the atomizer and adjusts the voltage to produce the desired wattage.

With a variable voltage mod, you can get nearly the same result, but it can fluctuate a bit with the resistance of the atomizer you're using. At 4.8V, for example, a standard 2.5ohm atomizer will give you right around 10W, but if you accidentally put on a 1.5ohm LR atty that would be more like 15W and unless it is a dualcoil, it will probably "pop" and/or taste burnt.

If everything else were equal, "wattage" would directly determine the amount and "temperature" of the vapor...unfortunately, everything else is not equal: You also have to consider the size of the heating element and the way the atomizer is designed will determine how much efficiently it will be able to vaporize the liquid. That's the advantage of the dualcoil cartomizers or high voltage mods over typical low resistance atomizers at normal voltage: with more surface area, they are better able to wick enough liquid to keep up with the amount of heat being generated so they aren't as likely to run dry and overheat--because the dualcoils actually have twice as much surface area, they can actually keep up with higher voltage mods so you can actually get into the 20W range without burning out!