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cloudsurfer45

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I recently sent an e-mail to the american cancer society about e-cigs this is the response i got back from them.

Congratulations on your success in quitting smoking. Please note that we have forwarded your feedback regarding electronic cigarettes to the appropriate department for consideration.

To review our information about the electronic cigarette, please see the "Other nicotine and tobacco products, not reviewed or approved by the FDA" section of our "Guide to Quitting Smoking" web page: (cant insert link not enough posts)


Thank you for contacting your American Cancer Society.

Joel
Online Cancer Information Specialist


If you have any questions, please contact us via (again no link) or call 1-800-ACS-2345. Information Specialists are available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

This is a very neutral stance they did not condemn nor condon anything. While I am sure they did not do any studies on e-cigs (lab tests etc.) they did not seem to pay to mention the FDA study at all so this maybe a positive thing.
 

cloudsurfer45

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Yeah the concerns are also noted on diet pills that people have dies from. What I am hoping comes of this whihc would be best case senario is slap the "This is not intended to treat, cure, or diagnose and illness or disease and comments have not been evaluated by the FDA" warning label on it and just use at your won risk that is what I am hoping for. I sent out many other letters but this is the only one i have gotten a response to thus far.
 

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Yeah the concerns are also noted on diet pills that people have dies from. What I am hoping comes of this whihc would be best case senario is slap the "This is not intended to treat, cure, or diagnose and illness or disease and comments have not been evaluated by the FDA" warning label on it and just use at your won risk that is what I am hoping for. I sent out many other letters but this is the only one i have gotten a response to thus far.
ACS has been sending out that form letter since the spring. (I did the same thing you did -- wrote them with my story and begged them to consider the 'harm reduction' strategy).

They are in the 'quit or die' camp. We have many in the harm reduction camp, but ACS isn't one of them. I was a top (volunteer) fundraiser regionally for their Relay for Life for 6 years and resigned the position this spring, telling them that if they won't consider harm reduction as an effective strategy, then I can't take their efforts as advocates seriously enough to waste my time.

THAT felt good, even if it got me no where. :D
 

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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman]Left in Form on American Legacy Web site:

I am appalled at your policy, "Unless and until the FDA determines that e-cigarettes are safe and effective, they should be taken off the market." Tens of thousands of us have found them to be effective as a substitute for ALL of our tobacco cigarettes, after failing to achieve smoking cessation with all the FDA-approved nicotine weaning products. Some even risked their lives and sanity using the FDA-approved-as-safe Chantix. Those of us in this category require sufficient levels of nicotine to maintain mood, memory, and concentration. If you get your wish and e-cigarettes are taken off the market, you are condemning us to go back to tobacco to avoid cognitive impairment. Read the 12000+ comments at http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-life-saving-electronic-cigarettes-available. Like me, many thousands of e-cigarette users are reporting improved lung function and blood pressure. We are at a loss to understand how you can possibly believe that smoking tobacco is SAFE for us to do during the years that it takes for government-sanctioned clinical trials to be conducted.

[/FONT]From: Communications <press@americanlegacy.org>

Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:23:52 PM
Subject: Re: Electronic Cigarettes Policy

Re: Electronic Cigarettes Policy

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Thanks for your email. We truly appreciate your comments and concerns.

There is no surefire way to quitting smoking. In fact, it takes an average of eight quit attempts. However, if people are going to try a method of quitting, we hope that it is an approved method. What works for some may not work for others. As a public health organization, our first priorities are health, safety and efficacy. In lieu of such, we stand by our statement and the recent findings of the FDA. We are happy to be a part of this larger discussion, but the debate remains between the FDA and the e-cigarette industry.

In no way to we think tobacco is safe. But it is a legal product in our society. It is a social justice issue and a public health concern, but that is a greater debate in itself.

Thanks again for your email.

We wish you the best of health.

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman]American Legacy Foundation[/FONT]
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Mine back at them (I'm not holding my breath waiting for a response):[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman] [/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman][/FONT]Thank you for responding. There are a few things I don't understand.

  • How is it in the best interests of health and safety to sabotage the success of thousands and thousands of people who finally became ex-smokers? You are advocating the removal from the market the one thing that provides enough nicotine to allow them to function normally without smoking tobacco. It is a tremendous risk to public health to gamble on the slim hope that all of these people magically will be able to function just fine without nicotine.
  • I do agree with you that there is no surefire way to quit smoking tobacco. So why would you hope that people would restrict themselves to "an approved method"? What if snus works for some? What if Ariva works for others? Should we remove every product from the market that some people have found to be an acceptable substitute for smoking, just because those products are not "approved"?
  • Why do you believe that an "approved" method is any sort of guarantee that a product is safe and effective?
    • The fact that the FDA has a recall system should tell you that safety is never fully addressed in clinical trials. As you know, clinical trials carefully select participants in order to limit the number of variables that must be addressed in the studies. Once those drugs are approved, being prescribed, and used, serious problems can emerge among populations that were excluded from the clinical trials. Zyban and Chantix are excellent examples of this.
    • The FDA-approved products to help people stop smoking have success rates that range from single digits to perhaps 20%. You aren't winning the war on smoking with these products.
  • If you stand by "the recent findings of the FDA," then you understand that the FDA testing showed that electronic cigarette cartridges contain a tiny fraction of the number of dangerous chemicals found in tobacco, and in vastly smaller quantities, correct?
All that being said, it should be kept in mind that the inventors and manufacturers never intended for electronic cigarettes to be "smoking cessation" products. The intended purpose is to function as a substitute for smoking. They are incredibly effective at providing an alternate source of nicotine so that people no long have to rely on cancer sticks!

Characterizing them as a medical device ensures that it will be many years, if ever, before these products will become available again. This punishes the users who succeeded in quitting smoking and it denies that opportunity to 40+ million current smokers.

Electronic cigarettes are a consumer product. As such, it is consumers who determine whether they are effective or not. They vote with their money. The electronic cigarette does not fall into any classification of consumer product that requires proof of safety BEFORE it can be marketed.

Nevertheless, we already have our proof of safety. If there were anything inherently dangerous in the electronic cigarette, you would know it by now. The products have been in use in China for over 5 years, in the UK for over 2 years, and in the US for nearly a year. It is true that reports on health effects have been pouring in on the World Wide Web. People are reporting health improvements.


If you truly wish me "the best of health" then please don't kill me with kindness.




 

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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman]Left in Form on American Legacy Web site:

I am appalled at your policy, "Unless and until the FDA determines that e-cigarettes are safe and effective, they should be taken off the market." Tens of thousands of us have found them to be effective as a substitute for ALL of our tobacco cigarettes, after failing to achieve smoking cessation with all the FDA-approved nicotine weaning products. Some even risked their lives and sanity using the FDA-approved-as-safe Chantix. Those of us in this category require sufficient levels of nicotine to maintain mood, memory, and concentration. If you get your wish and e-cigarettes are taken off the market, you are condemning us to go back to tobacco to avoid cognitive impairment. Read the 12000+ comments at http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-life-saving-electronic-cigarettes-available. Like me, many thousands of e-cigarette users are reporting improved lung function and blood pressure. We are at a loss to understand how you can possibly believe that smoking tobacco is SAFE for us to do during the years that it takes for government-sanctioned clinical trials to be conducted.

[/FONT]From: Communications <press@americanlegacy.org>

Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:23:52 PM
Subject: Re: Electronic Cigarettes Policy

Re: Electronic Cigarettes Policy

[FONT=Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]
Thanks for your email. We truly appreciate your comments and concerns.

There is no surefire way to quitting smoking. In fact, it takes an average of eight quit attempts. However, if people are going to try a method of quitting, we hope that it is an approved method. What works for some may not work for others. As a public health organization, our first priorities are health, safety and efficacy. In lieu of such, we stand by our statement and the recent findings of the FDA. We are happy to be a part of this larger discussion, but the debate remains between the FDA and the e-cigarette industry.

In no way to we think tobacco is safe. But it is a legal product in our society. It is a social justice issue and a public health concern, but that is a greater debate in itself.

Thanks again for your email.

We wish you the best of health.

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman]American Legacy Foundation[/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]

Mine back at them (I'm not holding my breath waiting for a response):[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman] [/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman][/FONT]Thank you for responding. There are a few things I don't understand.

  • How is it in the best interests of health and safety to sabotage the success of thousands and thousands of people who finally became ex-smokers? You are advocating the removal from the market the one thing that provides enough nicotine to allow them to function normally without smoking tobacco. It is a tremendous risk to public health to gamble on the slim hope that all of these people magically will be able to function just fine without nicotine.
  • I do agree with you that there is no surefire way to quit smoking tobacco. So why would you hope that people would restrict themselves to "an approved method"? What if snus works for some? What if Ariva works for others? Should we remove every product from the market that some people have found to be an acceptable substitute for smoking, just because those products are not "approved"?
  • Why do you believe that an "approved" method is any sort of guarantee that a product is safe and effective?
    • The fact that the FDA has a recall system should tell you that safety is never fully addressed in clinical trials. As you know, clinical trials carefully select participants in order to limit the number of variables that must be addressed in the studies. Once those drugs are approved, being prescribed, and used, serious problems can emerge among populations that were excluded from the clinical trials. Zyban and Chantix are excellent examples of this.
    • The FDA-approved products to help people stop smoking have success rates that range from single digits to perhaps 20%. You aren't winning the war on smoking with these products.
  • If you stand by "the recent findings of the FDA," then you understand that the FDA testing showed that electronic cigarette cartridges contain a tiny fraction of the number of dangerous chemicals found in tobacco, and in vastly smaller quantities, correct?
All that being said, it should be kept in mind that the inventors and manufacturers never intended for electronic cigarettes to be "smoking cessation" products. The intended purpose is to function as a substitute for smoking. They are incredibly effective at providing an alternate source of nicotine so that people no long have to rely on cancer sticks!

Characterizing them as a medical device ensures that it will be many years, if ever, before these products will become available again. This punishes the users who succeeded in quitting smoking and it denies that opportunity to 40+ million current smokers.

Electronic cigarettes are a consumer product. As such, it is consumers who determine whether they are effective or not. They vote with their money. The electronic cigarette does not fall into any classification of consumer product that requires proof of safety BEFORE it can be marketed.

Nevertheless, we already have our proof of safety. If there were anything inherently dangerous in the electronic cigarette, you would know it by now. The products have been in use in China for over 5 years, in the UK for over 2 years, and in the US for nearly a year. It is true that reports on health effects have been pouring in on the World Wide Web. People are reporting health improvements.


If you truly wish me "the best of health" then please don't kill me with kindness.




Well done. I look forward to this response if, that is, you get one!
 

ladyraj

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VocaleK, I'm unsure why you bothered to post anything regarding the e-cig on an anti-smoking group forum (ALF) that is supported from the MSA funds, meaning tobacco money.

Per Wiki: "The American Legacy Foundation is a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization that was established in March 1998 as a result of the Master Settlement Agreement (MSA) between a coalition of attorneys general in 46 states and five United States territories and the tobacco industry. It is funded primarily by payments designated by the settlement."

This group is funded by tobacco dollars, every pack or carton that is purchased, this group gets a percentage of. Even if this anti-smoking group would consider a "harm reduction strategy" it wouldn't be with anything that produces a look-a-like vapor to real tobacco smoke. One must also consider that their existence is at cross purposes...they are funded by cigarettes and tobacco dollars...less smoking equals less dollars for their foundation. It's the reason I mistrust anything the ALF comes out with.

Just saying that chasing this cross-purposed agency is a waste of your resources and a source of probable irritation. They irritate the crap out of me! :):D
 

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VocaleK, I'm unsure why you bothered to post anything regarding the e-cig on an anti-smoking group forum (ALF) that is supported from the MSA funds, meaning tobacco money.

Per Wiki: "The American Legacy Foundation is a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization that was established in March 1998 as a result of the Master Settlement Agreement (MSA) between a coalition of attorneys general in 46 states and five United States territories and the tobacco industry. It is funded primarily by payments designated by the settlement."

This group is funded by tobacco dollars, every pack or carton that is purchased, this group gets a percentage of. Even if this anti-smoking group would consider a "harm reduction strategy" it wouldn't be with anything that produces a look-a-like vapor to real tobacco smoke. One must also consider that their existence is at cross purposes...they are funded by cigarettes and tobacco dollars...less smoking equals less dollars for their foundation. It's the reason I mistrust anything the ALF comes out with.

Just saying that chasing this cross-purposed agency is a waste of your resources and a source of probable irritation. They irritate the crap out of me! :):D

LadyRaj, Do you find this really really offensive: I found these on the other forum some good info and news:

Electronic Cigarette Company Urges Parents To Stop Smoking - Vapers Forum
 

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I doubt that these people are going to go for anything unless they know 100% that it has no chance whatsoever of causing cancer. Though really, people get cancer from everything and sometimes from nothing at all! My grandmother had breast cancer when she was younger and never smoked a day in her life or did any sunbathing.
 

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LadyRaj, Do you find this really really offensive: I found these on the other forum some good info and news:

Electronic Cigarette Company Urges Parents To Stop Smoking - Vapers Forum

Yes, Sheri I found this product hustle under the guise of protecting children to be very offensive. I can only surmise someone wants to move product before the hammer comes down. The resemblance to ASH rhetoric will bring it down much faster.

Citing the ECA with product sales makes the ECA look like a front group for selling product. That's most likely to be ASH's response. What a waste...all that trouble and funding to set up a board and one bad ad could bring it down.8-o:confused:
 

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This is a long article about funding for the American Cancer Society.

The American Cancer Society: The World's Wealthiest "Nonprofit" Institution

If you read through it you will figure out why ACS has turned into a very corrupt non-profit. They get large amounts of money from big pharma.

Quite an amazing story of corruption and misuse of money within one of the largest non-profits in the world. Little wonder why they have come out against reduced-risk products.
 

Fredrick

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This is a long article about funding for the American Cancer Society.

The American Cancer Society: The World's Wealthiest "Nonprofit" Institution

If you read through it you will figure out why ACS has turned into a very corrupt non-profit. They get large amounts of money from big pharma.

Quite an amazing story of corruption and misuse of money within one of the largest non-profits in the world. Little wonder why they have come out against reduced-risk products.


Correct you are. Pfizer is a major source of thier funding. I wouldn't waste my time talking to the ACS, not to say you can't.
 

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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman]Left in Form on American Legacy Web site:[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman]I am appalled at your policy, "Unless and until the FDA determines that e-cigarettes are safe and effective, they should be taken off the market." Tens of thousands of us have found them to be effective as a substitute for ALL of our tobacco cigarettes, after failing to achieve smoking cessation with all the FDA-approved nicotine weaning products. Some even risked their lives and sanity using the FDA-approved-as-safe Chantix. Those of us in this category require sufficient levels of nicotine to maintain mood, memory, and concentration. If you get your wish and e-cigarettes are taken off the market, you are condemning us to go back to tobacco to avoid cognitive impairment. Read the 12000+ comments at http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-life-saving-electronic-cigarettes-available. Like me, many thousands of e-cigarette users are reporting improved lung function and blood pressure. We are at a loss to understand how you can possibly believe that smoking tobacco is SAFE for us to do during the years that it takes for government-sanctioned clinical trials to be conducted. [/FONT]

From: Communications <press@americanlegacy.org>

Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:23:52 PM
Subject: Re: Electronic Cigarettes Policy
Re: Electronic Cigarettes Policy


Thanks for your email. We truly appreciate your comments and concerns.

There is no surefire way to quitting smoking. In fact, it takes an average of eight quit attempts. However, if people are going to try a method of quitting, we hope that it is an approved method. What works for some may not work for others. As a public health organization, our first priorities are health, safety and efficacy. In lieu of such, we stand by our statement and the recent findings of the FDA. We are happy to be a part of this larger discussion, but the debate remains between the FDA and the e-cigarette industry.

In no way to we think tobacco is safe. But it is a legal product in our society. It is a social justice issue and a public health concern, but that is a greater debate in itself.

Thanks again for your email.

We wish you the best of health.

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman]American Legacy Foundation



[FONT=Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]Mine back at them (I'm not holding my breath waiting for a response):[/FONT][/FONT]




Thank you for responding. There are a few things I don't understand.

  • How is it in the best interests of health and safety to sabotage the success of thousands and thousands of people who finally became ex-smokers? You are advocating the removal from the market the one thing that provides enough nicotine to allow them to function normally without smoking tobacco. It is a tremendous risk to public health to gamble on the slim hope that all of these people magically will be able to function just fine without nicotine.
  • I do agree with you that there is no surefire way to quit smoking tobacco. So why would you hope that people would restrict themselves to "an approved method"? What if snus works for some? What if Ariva works for others? Should we remove every product from the market that some people have found to be an acceptable substitute for smoking, just because those products are not "approved"?
  • Why do you believe that an "approved" method is any sort of guarantee that a product is safe and effective?
    • The fact that the FDA has a recall system should tell you that safety is never fully addressed in clinical trials. As you know, clinical trials carefully select participants in order to limit the number of variables that must be addressed in the studies. Once those drugs are approved, being prescribed, and used, serious problems can emerge among populations that were excluded from the clinical trials. Zyban and Chantix are excellent examples of this.
    • The FDA-approved products to help people stop smoking have success rates that range from single digits to perhaps 20%. You aren't winning the war on smoking with these products.
  • If you stand by "the recent findings of the FDA," then you understand that the FDA testing showed that electronic cigarette cartridges contain a tiny fraction of the number of dangerous chemicals found in tobacco, and in vastly smaller quantities, correct?
All that being said, it should be kept in mind that the inventors and manufacturers never intended for electronic cigarettes to be "smoking cessation" products. The intended purpose is to function as a substitute for smoking. They are incredibly effective at providing an alternate source of nicotine so that people no long have to rely on cancer sticks!

Characterizing them as a medical device ensures that it will be many years, if ever, before these products will become available again. This punishes the users who succeeded in quitting smoking and it denies that opportunity to 40+ million current smokers.

Electronic cigarettes are a consumer product. As such, it is consumers who determine whether they are effective or not. They vote with their money. The electronic cigarette does not fall into any classification of consumer product that requires proof of safety BEFORE it can be marketed.

Nevertheless, we already have our proof of safety. If there were anything inherently dangerous in the electronic cigarette, you would know it by now. The products have been in use in China for over 5 years, in the UK for over 2 years, and in the US for nearly a year. It is true that reports on health effects have been pouring in on the World Wide Web. People are reporting health improvements.


If you truly wish me "the best of health" then please don't kill me with kindness.





Can you hear me applauding you right now? Outstanding response! The best I've read since I've been here. Seriously!

Robbie
 
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