american red by wizard labs

[Kabooma]

This one has me perplexed. By the description, it basically claims to be the equalivent to marlboro reds, first batch in the trash when I tried to do a combination with menthol.. tasted horrific.. so I decided to just make a test batch with that flavor only and take in the profile.. and it's floral. Not just a little, it's more floral than EVE or V slims comparitavely! In fact, it's sickeningly floral. What gives? I'm having a difficult time with the tobacco flavors, and had the same issue with the wiz labs 555, although not nearly as bad, but still it had some serious floral undertones.

 

[pdxtechdoctor]

How long did you let it steep? All the tobaccos seem to need some serious steep time.. 3-4 weeks at least... I'm not a tobacco fan, but that is what everyone always says.

Also, start very low percentages like 1% or 2%....

 

[Renolizzie]

They still have Mtype, as spelled, good news.

 

[SirSteve]

How long did you let it steep? All the tobaccos seem to need some serious steep time.. 3-4 weeks at least... I'm not a tobacco fan, but that is what everyone always says.

Also, start very low percentages like 1% or 2%....

That is the key, try adding some sweetner or smoother to round them out. My last batch has total of six ingredients in it, but the total percentage is only 9%, been steeping for almost two weeks now. Just dripped a little the other day, and I like it, going to let it steep a little longer before I fill a device with it though.

 

[bivie]

How long did you let it steep? All the tobaccos seem to need some serious steep time.. 3-4 weeks at least... I'm not a tobacco fan, but that is what everyone always says.

Also, start very low percentages like 1% or 2%....

This is about as close as you're going to get for the right answer.

Right this minute, I am working on flavor testing a 30 bottle of Marlboro I made from concentrate
from W. Labs. It is still floral, and I have diluted it down a few times. I do recommend only a few
drops at a time in a large bottle until you find your sweet spot.

Also, add a couple drops of apple cider vinegar per 10 mil, and that will help.

This flavor might be better as a background for some other stuff. Maybe a blend of several tobaccos.

It do bite if you make it too strong.

 

[JasonInTN]

This one has me perplexed. By the description, it basically claims to be the equalivent to marlboro reds, first batch in the trash when I tried to do a combination with menthol.. tasted horrific.. so I decided to just make a test batch with that flavor only and take in the profile.. and it's floral. Not just a little, it's more floral than EVE or V slims comparitavely! In fact, it's sickeningly floral. What gives? I'm having a difficult time with the tobacco flavors, and had the same issue with the wiz labs 555, although not nearly as bad, but still it had some serious floral undertones.

Aw shucks! The title of this thread got me excited there for a minute thinking Wizard Labs had started making flavors. American Red is made by The Flavor Apprentice.

 

[Iron Molly]

I have some "red type" steeping right now. I add a bit of "smooth" to it as well as a touch a caramel and licorice. I agree with letting it steep for about a month.

 

[Kabooma]

I think my issue with it isn't the steeping. I do recognize that helps, but a bad batch can't be transformed into a good one by steeping alone.

My issue is that it's floral. And heavily floral, at that. I just didn't expect it. I despise floral tones/tastes, even diluted it offends me greatly Guess I will just chalk that one up as a lesson learned.

 

[bivie]

I think my issue with it isn't the steeping. I do recognize that helps, but a bad batch can't be transformed into a good one by steeping alone.

My issue is that it's floral. And heavily floral, at that. I just didn't expect it. I despise floral tones/tastes, even diluted it offends me greatly Guess I will just chalk that one up as a lesson learned.

Keep diluting it until it's usable. Then you don't have to waste it. Eventually it will
dilute down to where you can do something with it, or it might even taste good
the way it is.

 

[Levitas]

I think my issue with it isn't the steeping. I do recognize that helps, but a bad batch can't be transformed into a good one by steeping alone.

Voila, wisdom

A great deal of tobacco flavorings, as well as some fruits have that perfume taste. I agree, it's terrible. As you had said, you can dress up a pile of poo with some gold lacing, but in the end, it's still a pile of poo.

Not saying that you should, but, were it me, I'd sell/give/throw the flavoring away, and try a new one. Just a personal recommendation, but, my favorite non-sweet, non-perfume, non-cigar, almost more pipe-tobacco-ish flavor thus far is Dunhill, a super concentrate from Vaping Zone. However, the Double RY4 made by TFA is excellent as well, and doesn't require any steep time or sweetener. I guess I should add a YMMV.

 

[Shilo]

If it smells perfumey or floral in the bottle its not going to smell/taste any different when its mixed but that is for me and I consider myself uber scent sensitive and can't even keep some tobaccos around because they make the whole house reek and I can't handle perfumey vapes. To me the smell is at least half the deciding factor. With the tobaccos its a hit or miss game and its going to depend on each individual's senses some will love what others will hate. My faves are in Vaping Zone SC tobaccos, Hangsen tobaccos and myvapejuice.com's NET tobacco flavors particularly Rogue Ry4 and MY Hero Original. TFA and FlavourArt just don't do it for me tobacco wise except for 2 exceptions.

 

[pinezy]

Strangely enough, my batch of American Red from WL tastes like peppermint. No tobacco taste or smell at all. Definitely no floral tones.

 

[Nitroman28]

Strangely enough, my batch of American Red from WL tastes like peppermint. No tobacco taste or smell at all. Definitely no floral tones.

That's the same I get with it, Has kind of a menthol taste..

 

[JD1]

Mine has a pungent floral tobacco smell. Vape wise, it isn't reds, but has a strong 'hay' or 'grassy' note. It mixes well with carmel, vanilla, and brown sugar. I really like it, and it makes a good alternate with my 555, 7 leaves, etc. I should add, all imo of course.

 

[buffaloguy]

Sometimes with floral tobaccos I will try adding some tobacco absolute and also white vinegar. TA will sometimes tame that and add a more ashy/earth note and the vinegar will round it out some. Try 1 drop per 5ml of each and see if that helps any.

Another tip. Pour out the mix you made into a clean coffee cup and let it really breathe for about 24 Hours.

These really are my last ditch efforts to save a floral or purfumey tobacco juice tho.

 

[Visus]

5 drops out of a pip per 10ml absolutely fabtastic
not 6 or 7, 5 drops exact per 10ml 60%pg

rating 20/10 stars