So I went into a vape only store and asked if they had something a little better than a nautilus. They sold me a fogger. They told me they could build the coils for me once a month and change the cotton for me. I just found out going to another store that I'm supposed to change the cotton at least every few days, and that the maintenance is pretty intense. They basically said I was sold a high end mod that most people don't get into for a while. Also, they charged me 50 dollars more than the other store. I feel like every store I go into tells me something different, I now have a fogger I can't use( which has spoiled me because now the nautilus tastes like crap!) Also, since using the fogger I can't taste the e liquid in the nautilus in less I turn up the watts of my battery to the max. I feel so bummed, especially that the other store new I was a newbie and was trying to quit smoking. Ugh!
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I hate idiots like that my only defence to them is nautilus is probably as high end as you can go without getting into rba and the fogger is a pretty simple rba however there is no excuse for selling you an item that you cant maintain and without knowing the safety implications of rebuildable devices simple coils can be easy to do so may be worth asking the decent shop for lesson in coils now you know how vaping can be
Youtube is your friend. Get an ohm meter, wire, small drill bit, torch, cotton watch some videos and you'll be busting out your own coils in no time.
I am so sorry this has happened to you. TAKE IT BACK for a refund and don't ever buy from them again!
It was very irresponsible on their part to send your home with a rebuildable at this stage in your vaping journey. Not only is maintenance intense, but so is learning all you need to learn about rebuildables (battery safety, ohms law, amp limitations).
What battery were you using with your Fogger?
It was very irresponsible on their part to send your home with a rebuildable at this stage in your vaping journey. Not only is maintenance intense, but so is learning all you need to learn about rebuildables (battery safety, ohms law, amp limitations).
What battery were you using with your Fogger?
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Thats why I'm picky about shops. The shop I go to will sit down for 2 hours if you need to help you learn how to build coils and discuss safety. Maybe a bit higher than online, but $20 isn't much to complain about like here. $50 is a bit extreme. Any chance someone at the other shop could teach you?
Most shops seem to be in for a quick profit because its a high demand market all of a sudden, but them type of shops higher people that don't care.
Be mad, I understand it. Use it as experience, Learn how to use it. Learn how to build the coils. I feel changing cotton every few days is a bit excessive. I don't even change the cotton in my RDA that often. You just learn when you need to change it.
Most shops seem to be in for a quick profit because its a high demand market all of a sudden, but them type of shops higher people that don't care.
Be mad, I understand it. Use it as experience, Learn how to use it. Learn how to build the coils. I feel changing cotton every few days is a bit excessive. I don't even change the cotton in my RDA that often. You just learn when you need to change it.
Ask around here first if you want advice on a new thing. If the Nautilus doesn't work for you it could be due to a number of things. For instance, what battery do you have? What ohms is the head? it's power greedy so on an ego it won't work so well. Instead you could have bought a twist battery or lower ohm heads to see if it improves your vape.
If with a twist battery and 1.6 ohm heads your vape is still not what you expect, try the Vapeonly BCC. Vapes like crazy and it's quite cheap. PM me if you experience dry hits or burnt taste, there's a quick fix.
If with a twist battery and 1.6 ohm heads your vape is still not what you expect, try the Vapeonly BCC. Vapes like crazy and it's quite cheap. PM me if you experience dry hits or burnt taste, there's a quick fix.
95% of the time vape shops over charge ALOT. It's good to do some research and ask questions here on the board. I bought 1 12ml/36nic from a real small vape shop here (sells porn stuff 99%). It cost me 14 bucks, I was out of liquid and needed a vape so I just bought it. I'll never go back there again. I do all my buisness online now.
I'm using a battery that goes up to 30 watts. It's a clone ( which they didn't tell me) so I don't know the original brand. I can only taste anything with the nautilus if I use 10 plus watts. If I use a spinner I can't taste anything. So now I feel like I've been spoiled with the fogger but csnt use it because I can't maintain it. I watched two different guys change the cotton and they did it completely differently. So I'm even more confused =(
changing the cotton is VERY easy, really.
making your own coils.. ok that is a bit tricky.
go to you tube and check out some videos on rebuilding and wicking a fogger, and just pay attention to the part about wicks.
some pointers. You want the wicks to just barely go into the juice channels. you want to not pack in any extra cotton, just through the coil and then down to the juice channels at the side of the deck... leave the air hole under the coil clear. When you "thread" the cotton through the wick, you want it to be just thick enough that it gives just a very small amount of resistance to being pulled, but not that it is a struggle.
and a pic of mine since i just happened to be taking mine apart right now.
click the pic, and it will be a little bigger.
making your own coils.. ok that is a bit tricky.
go to you tube and check out some videos on rebuilding and wicking a fogger, and just pay attention to the part about wicks.
some pointers. You want the wicks to just barely go into the juice channels. you want to not pack in any extra cotton, just through the coil and then down to the juice channels at the side of the deck... leave the air hole under the coil clear. When you "thread" the cotton through the wick, you want it to be just thick enough that it gives just a very small amount of resistance to being pulled, but not that it is a struggle.
and a pic of mine since i just happened to be taking mine apart right now.
click the pic, and it will be a little bigger.
We can help walk you through it. Wicking coils is basically the same - you want juice to get to the coil - but after doing it awhile, people tweak it to what they like best (material, amount, shape), which is why different videos show different methods.
It was unprofessional for that shop to sell you something beyond your comfort level and lie to you about maintenance. However, as others have pointed out, it's not hard to learn how to rewick. Once you've done it a few times and relax (as in stop worrying that you will do something wrong) it becomes second nature. I can even rewick without my readers on.
You also don't have to rebuild coils very often, just dry burn them when you rewick (we'll help you with that too) and they will last for months...or longer. I have yet to rebuild a coil because it needed to be. I rebuild them when I'm bored or want to try something new.
I share your frustration with the B&Ms. You would like to think that they're out to help us, not just take us for a ride, but I can't say that is the case. I will only buy from one local shop, who has been excellent to me. I tried the rest and will likely not buy from them again.
In the shop's defense, a rebuildable is the next logical step from a Nautilus, but it sounds like they really took you for a ride. Decent Kayfun clones (the Fogger is a Kayfun style variant) can be had for cheap and are easier to build and wick than the Fogger (being intended as single coil instead of dual coil).
They really should not have sold such an advanced item to an inexperienced vaper, there is a lot more to it than tossing in a coil and wick and calling it a day.
I'd raise hell about and and try to get them to take it back, and then do business with the helpful store.
You might want to think about getting a Protank/Protank2. Many people start rebuilding these to save money and get better performance. I don't think there are any "off the shelf" attys that perform better than the Nautilus, but the Protank coils are pretty easy to rebuild and you can change/tweak/rewick/clean the coils without dumping the tank.
Whatever you do, we're here to help. Just don't give up.
In the shop's defense, a rebuildable is the next logical step from a Nautilus, but it sounds like they really took you for a ride. Decent Kayfun clones (the Fogger is a Kayfun style variant) can be had for cheap and are easier to build and wick than the Fogger (being intended as single coil instead of dual coil).
They really should not have sold such an advanced item to an inexperienced vaper, there is a lot more to it than tossing in a coil and wick and calling it a day.
I'd raise hell about and and try to get them to take it back, and then do business with the helpful store.
You might want to think about getting a Protank/Protank2. Many people start rebuilding these to save money and get better performance. I don't think there are any "off the shelf" attys that perform better than the Nautilus, but the Protank coils are pretty easy to rebuild and you can change/tweak/rewick/clean the coils without dumping the tank.
Whatever you do, we're here to help. Just don't give up.
I don't know about all the shops but I made a friend at a vape kiosk at the mall near me. Owner overcharges by a ton but they hook me up. Sadly for my friend they work on a 15% commission only. So I can see why they would push something you can't handle, I don't condone such behavior though.
Friend's kiosk has Trustfire batteries for example, bought my first mod from him and he let me know that the batteries aren't great. Got my first RDA today and made sure to get some IMR's. Fortunately my friend gave me the TrustFire for free lol.
Friend's kiosk has Trustfire batteries for example, bought my first mod from him and he let me know that the batteries aren't great. Got my first RDA today and made sure to get some IMR's. Fortunately my friend gave me the TrustFire for free lol.
I agree with others You can learn to build coils and wick the Fogger with Help from people here and watching lots of YouTube Tutorials That is how I did it 3 months into Vaping. Also I use Tanks when out and about. I recently bought a Protank 3 regular and Mini from a online Vender. It was $8 for the Mini and about $13 for the regular. I am quite impressed using them on a Vision Spinner 2[ego twist] and a Innokin VV 3.0. I have not used a Natilus so cannot help you there. And the advice to study Battery Safety is good advice.
That's a bummer and I hope you can get some help on the forum here with some builds. I won't harp on bad vape shops because there are bad <insert_hobby> shops and it's just part of life. Anyhow, as stated before the Nautilus is not a bad atomizer so your next step probably would have been something rebuildable. Hang in there!!! It gets much better!!! Remember, it's pretty tough to break a rebuildable short of losing a screw or stripping a thread or something. It sounds like you are using a regulated battery, so you are pretty safe for playing around with your first builds. For me it helped to have a backup non-rebuildable laying around and just rebuilding my first RBA every night after work, whether it needed it or not. I got better after a week and after that it was just routine for the most part. A month from now, a routine coil build or re-wicking probably won't even be noteworthy unless you read about some new "best ever" material or variation you want to try. Good luck!
Its shops like that, that give really good shops like the one I work at a bad name! Well, we dont sell RBAs or mech mods whatsoever, but we seem to fix every other shops frig ups when an angry customer walks threw the door 7/10 we have to explain they got ripped off on a clone and sell them all proper stuff
Now that you have your foot in the rabbit hole, there is only once direction to go: down. The learning curve seems daunting at first, but know that you can be satisfied with the same setup for a long while - long enough to be comfortable before you decide you are ready to start experimenting on your own. Just watch tons of Rip Tripper's youtube videos and you'll already have a much better idea of how easy it can all be. He's crazy, so he's fun to watch and don't mind the complicated builds for now... watching is learning. Alternately, you can watch tons of videos from many different people on how to build coils.
Wicking: it is very easy and I change my wick less than once a week. You could need to do it more often due to different juices, PG/VG ratio, coil resistance and your wattage. I vape around 14 watts with a 1.4-1.5 ohm coil on 70/30 PG/VG. YMMV
Coiling: Most people start with (and often stick to) 28 gauge Kanthal. Depending on the diameter of your coiling tool (a precision screw driver or drill bit) you need about 5 to 8 wraps for a 1.5 Ohm coil. If you can't read Ohms on your mod, get a cheap Ohm meter.
Start reading on battery safety and Ohm's law before you take it under 1 Ohm and you'll be fine.
Just avoid that store until you can show them some tricks. Are they really bad people? Perhaps they sold you an original tank and that other store sells clones. Perhaps not. Maybe 90% of their clientele are rebuilders to start with. Learn before going back, then you'll be in a better position to judge if they should be in the red book or in the black book.
Wicking: it is very easy and I change my wick less than once a week. You could need to do it more often due to different juices, PG/VG ratio, coil resistance and your wattage. I vape around 14 watts with a 1.4-1.5 ohm coil on 70/30 PG/VG. YMMV
Coiling: Most people start with (and often stick to) 28 gauge Kanthal. Depending on the diameter of your coiling tool (a precision screw driver or drill bit) you need about 5 to 8 wraps for a 1.5 Ohm coil. If you can't read Ohms on your mod, get a cheap Ohm meter.
Start reading on battery safety and Ohm's law before you take it under 1 Ohm and you'll be fine.
Just avoid that store until you can show them some tricks. Are they really bad people? Perhaps they sold you an original tank and that other store sells clones. Perhaps not. Maybe 90% of their clientele are rebuilders to start with. Learn before going back, then you'll be in a better position to judge if they should be in the red book or in the black book.
I've been vaping for around 2 years and have never walked into a vape shop. I order everything on-line.
Watch you-tube vids and you'll see how easy coil building is. I have expensive tools and equipment because I'm into electronics, but you can build coils very cheap and use tools that you have around the house.
Disclaimer: this post is long due to my passion on this subject and the fact that Carolina is sucking it up right now and not keeping my attention. I included a TL-DR at the bottom that sums it up pretty well [emoji2]
OP: While the first B&M you went to did not respect your wants or needs as a customer, don't give up! If you are still interested in finding a local shop, take some time to price things you may be interested in, now or in the future. Then, with this knowledge in mind, visit a couple local shops and talk to the employees. Once visiting a few different shops, you can learn who will be good and who just want your money. Once you find a good shop, THEN do price comparisons. I would rather pay slightly more at a B&M who treats me well, than some sleazy shop with better prices. Also look out for huge price gouging, no matter how good they are, sometimes they just aren't even close to competitive.
To All: I do support my local shops, because I like supporting locally, and I understand they have overhead to think about. I searched til I found the one that respects and pays attention to the customers' needs. These are the types of shops that deserve and get my support through my purchases. I also forsee these types of shops staying afloat through these uncertain times with the FDA, while the strictly-concerned-about "the bottom line" stores not being able to meet regulation. (Not that I want the FDA imposing on vaping, I just think best case scenario they make it 18+ and a slight bit of regulation on the ingredients used, aka USP certified, not mixed out of someone's trunk).
I also hate the wait on things being shipped because I want it in my hands the minute I purchase, and even before I purchase I can put my hands on the hardware and get a feel of it.
The guys (and gals) that work at my preferred shop know tons about what they sell, aren't afraid to tell me what isn't worth me spending my hard earned money on (they know my vaping style and what I prefer). I appreciated it when they sat me down and showed me how to build, as well as explaining safety and what not to do. They will even steer newer users with dreams of huge clouds with no knowledge whatsoever to a more sensible unit, and send them off to do their homework before seeking out a mech.
TL-DR: I support the little man that know what they are doing and sell what the customers need, not what has the best profit margin. Once a shop earns my respect, my money and support will follow.
OP: While the first B&M you went to did not respect your wants or needs as a customer, don't give up! If you are still interested in finding a local shop, take some time to price things you may be interested in, now or in the future. Then, with this knowledge in mind, visit a couple local shops and talk to the employees. Once visiting a few different shops, you can learn who will be good and who just want your money. Once you find a good shop, THEN do price comparisons. I would rather pay slightly more at a B&M who treats me well, than some sleazy shop with better prices. Also look out for huge price gouging, no matter how good they are, sometimes they just aren't even close to competitive.
To All: I do support my local shops, because I like supporting locally, and I understand they have overhead to think about. I searched til I found the one that respects and pays attention to the customers' needs. These are the types of shops that deserve and get my support through my purchases. I also forsee these types of shops staying afloat through these uncertain times with the FDA, while the strictly-concerned-about "the bottom line" stores not being able to meet regulation. (Not that I want the FDA imposing on vaping, I just think best case scenario they make it 18+ and a slight bit of regulation on the ingredients used, aka USP certified, not mixed out of someone's trunk).
I also hate the wait on things being shipped because I want it in my hands the minute I purchase, and even before I purchase I can put my hands on the hardware and get a feel of it.
The guys (and gals) that work at my preferred shop know tons about what they sell, aren't afraid to tell me what isn't worth me spending my hard earned money on (they know my vaping style and what I prefer). I appreciated it when they sat me down and showed me how to build, as well as explaining safety and what not to do. They will even steer newer users with dreams of huge clouds with no knowledge whatsoever to a more sensible unit, and send them off to do their homework before seeking out a mech.
TL-DR: I support the little man that know what they are doing and sell what the customers need, not what has the best profit margin. Once a shop earns my respect, my money and support will follow.
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