another clueless attack on vaping...

[glycerol]

enjoy
www. theverge .com/2015/2/5/7988047/ecig-vapor-damages-immune-system-mice
E-cigarette vapor damages the immune system of mice, study finds | The Verge

 

[philoshop]

Clearly, mice should not be vaping.

 

[Susan~S]

PLEASE READ! Breaking Links to Junk Science and Other Rubbish Posts

 

[DrMA]

Is this the study where they set the ecig on fire and took pictures of it? Yeah, "high-quality science" right there.

 

[kenbu]

Maybe the mice were getting sicker because they were sharing the same drip tip? ;-)

 

[thx997303]

This is a high exposure level, and contradicts other studies done, that while terribly flawed, suggested e-cigarettes deliver next to no nicotine to the users.

There's some garbage protocols being implemented in this one, and it seems the authors know it, since they're already defending themselves over it.

When someone does a real study, they allow the methods, data, and conclusions to speak for themselves, and invite analysis, not condemn it.

Aside from which, I don't know of anyone claiming that vaping is perfectly harmless. But we are claiming that it is orders of magnitude safer than smoking.

 

[sub4me]

I would like to see all the articles available instead of picking and choosing only favorable ones.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

I would like to see all the articles available instead of picking and choosing only favorable ones.

There's this new fangled thing called ' google search ', allz you got to do is type in ecig articles / studies or something like that, you may like it, give it a try.

 

[bullet08]

i don't know... anyway you look at it, death is one of those things that we can't avoid in the end... sort of like tax. at this point, vaping is just more satisfying than smoking, and i don't smell like an ashtray.

 

[Jovey]

personally, i would love to see a mouse vape....cute lil critters!

 

[Robino1]

I would like to see all the articles available instead of picking and choosing only favorable ones.

Even though you don't read links that are posted, this one may help you understand why we don't let junk articles stay. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...g-links-junk-science-other-rubbish-posts.html

You can rebuild the links if you are that curious about what the link has to say. We choose to not let junk articles be searchable to ECF.

 

[catlady60]

If vaping is so bad for mice it can kill them, why shouldn't we be able to vape?

Got a mouse problem? Fog up the room with a nice subohm setup and vape away! Problem solved!

 

[Rat2chat2]

I take offense with using "mice". . .

Only negative results get published anyway. What if vaping made the mouse do this. . .

Would cost big tobacco a fortune to keep it out of the news.

 

[Iffy]

 

[WhiteHighlights]

This news is being discussed here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...909-new-study-vapor-immune-response-mice.html.

I also found this had an interesting perspective: Electronic Cigarettes and Airway Infections - Update - Bernd Mayer

However, nobody would have cared about this result, and no journal would have accepted the paper if the authors had replaced “electronic cigarettes” in the title by “nicotine”. It has been known for decades that nicotine has anti-inflammatory effects associated with mild immune suppression in mice and rats (e.g. Roszman et al., 1975, Petro et al., 1992, Geng et al., 1996, Kalra et al., 2000, Navarro et al., 2001, Matsunaga et al., 2001, Kalra et al., 2002, Kalra et al., 2004, Skok et al., 2005, Sadis et al., 2007, Fujii et al., 2008, Hirschburger et al., 2009, Tyagi et al., 2010, Wang et al., 2010, de Lucas-Cerillo et al., 2011, Kolgazi et al., 2013, Nemethova et al., 2013).

These reports may look promising, but immune function of mice and rats translates poorly to the human condition, a well-known nuisance for experimental immunologists involved in drug development (see e.g Mestas & Hughes, 2004, Shai et al., 2013).

 

[Rickajho]

Please just glance even at the New section to see if this non-news event has already been covered before posting about it yet again and again. ~> http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...909-new-study-vapor-immune-response-mice.html A mindless new blip doesn't improve via "less than thoughtful" repetition.

 

[NoNsMoKiNgArCHeR]

Awww poor mousy. The day I see Mickey Mouse vape, is the day I would quit vaping!!! These so called "studies" are just to damn funny, and makes me laugh. Its hilarious to me, because it points out the obvious:
1. E-cigs are that much safer to cancer sticks, they have to do inconclusive studies to find the negatives. In fact, some of these studies have worked against them.
2. The mass media see's e-cigs not as a safer alternative, but another form of smoking a cancer stick.
3. These so called test results, are SOOO BIASED, it makes you wonder who's funding/influencing the studies.

I for one, am all about vape safety concerning health results,especially relating to vaping. But until "UNBIASED" conclusive studies come out, im just gonna ignore the latest so called "e-cig health threat!!!" This is where I go for the latest, health study concerning e-cigs; https://sciencecig.wordpress.com/. Keep in mind, I vape and this site is also full of vapors, so our opinions can also be biased.

You also have to remember. The tobacco company has lost millions due to e-cigs. On top of that, your own state, loses $ too because they already implemented, a tax system on tobacco products. So I feel these so called "studies" and the FDA, are influenced by billion dollar corporations and the government.

On that note, vaping is not all the safe ethier. If you sub-ohm and dont know about ohms law, watch/read those articles on e-cigs blowing up in your face. Also China has capitalized on the vape game, so be careful on what you buy. Not to knock em down, but how often have you felt good about something you bought that was "made in china?"

Just my 2 cents...trying to stay as unbiased as possible. Basically, it comes down to what you believe regarding e-cig media research.