Another abysmal study of ecigs surfaces at European conference

[zoiDman]

They're not wrong, they're just not severely genetically defective mice.

Maybe that is Why so Many People see Positive Health Benefits from Quitting Smoking using an e-Cigarette?

They are Not Genetically Defective enough?

 

[Nate760]

Oh great, another thread I never noticed and therefore never chimed in on...

--When I was smoking I could hold my breath for around 30 seconds
--After 12 months of vaping I could hold my breath for around 90 seconds
--After 17 months of vaping I got a Pulmonary Function test and my results were slightly better than average
--After 30 months of vaping I could hold my breath for around 110 seconds

I'll go post that there now...

I'm probably an atypical case (wouldn't be the first time), but I could always hold my breath for 90 seconds even when I smoked. After less than a year of vaping, I can do two minutes without much difficulty.

 

[Steamix]

Just because the study is garbage doesn't mean we won't see the ill effects. Look at the whole autism/vaccine study. It has been debunked for quite a while and concerns a topic that should be a no brainer for any educated individual and yet it still crops up as something we shouldn't do...

Don't I know it...

Once the rubbish is published, the damage is done. Hard to live down or disprove it then. Just like an slandering article in the newspaper. The bull makes page one, the 'we're so sorry we didn't quite get it right' is three lines in fine print on page twenty...

And if you findings don't fit the ordained 'big picture'....well... fellas like da Vinci, Kepler and many others had their danves with the less than friendly enforcers of the inquisition...Ya don't get roasted on the stake nowadays. Todays methods mey be less drastic, but can be just as destructive...

 

[Nate760]

Don't I know it...

Once the rubbish is published, the damage is done. Hard to live down or disprove it then. Just like an slandering article in the newspaper. The bull makes page one, the 'we're so sorry we didn't quite get it right' is three lines in fine print on page twenty...

Right, and this is a big part of the ANTZ strategy. The internet is a great thing, but it's made our attention spans so short that large-scale deceptions become even easier to perpetrate. Stan Glantz is a master at this; he'll publicize a study that motivates media outlets to scream headlines like "Researchers Find E-Cigs are Gateway to Smoking". The headline and the first 1-2 sentences are all most people will read. They'll never make it to the little paragraph at the bottom that says "The study authors concede that their data were not longitudinal, and do not establish any causal relationship between e-cig use and cigarette smoking."