Another Original Mech From China
- Thread starter Ed_C
- Start date
- th_trl_thread_readers 0
- Status
Very much looking forward to your opinion on the device. I really want it to be awesome for reasons I already stated. The absolute only reason I haven't ordered it is because it's 26650, and I do not want to get a different size of batteries at this time.
Authenticity is no guarantee of quality. Neither are clones.
However you are less likely to have problems out of the authentic mod.
On the other hand you have wasted left money on a clone if things go badly.
Research is the answer.
Also if ur money minded like I am you can get more out of the resale value on the Authentics.
Right now if I sold my collection I would come out ahead....
If the Chinese would come out with their own updated pic limited production runs I could do the same thing with them and have less initial cost.
It would be awesome.... so I will follow this thread with interest to see how the quality is.
However you are less likely to have problems out of the authentic mod.
On the other hand you have wasted left money on a clone if things go badly.
Research is the answer.
Also if ur money minded like I am you can get more out of the resale value on the Authentics.
Right now if I sold my collection I would come out ahead....
If the Chinese would come out with their own updated pic limited production runs I could do the same thing with them and have less initial cost.
It would be awesome.... so I will follow this thread with interest to see how the quality is.
I have answered this in another thread, but the reason that the above does not happen is the simple fact of the lack of social media/advertising presence.
The Chinese companies do not invest their time to build up the hype/spread the word that their latest product is 'the bomb', so therefore the MOD would likely get washed away by the sea of other well hyped mods out there.
Why would they bother to invest time & money into generating a buzz around their product when they can just produce something which already has a massive demand for free*?
*aside from the ethical factors
But I do agree that they should produce unique MODs considering they have the technology and all that jazz, setting their MOD apart from the rest through innovation, rather than just tweaking designs like the vast majority of 'original' manufacturers do.
Innovation being things like what the Skeleton Key Mech MOD by Marquis has done with their switch/locking mechanism, this actually setting the MOD far apart from what others have produced previously. Rather than the usual purely cosmetic differences between MODs which have become the norm, like having a slightly different switch or some different logo/emblem.
I think all camps (clone owners, clone haters, Provari owners, Provari haters, Reonauts, etc, etc) can agree that more and more people vaping all the time can only help all of us a group. That being the case, an affordable quality mech mod is a very good idea, particularly if it is not a clone. Hence the popularity of the Magneto - which is an original, although patterned off a famous high end switch-wise. Future converts are much more likely to consider buying a quality mech that costs the price of 1 carton of cigarettes than one that costs the price of 5 - 6 cartons of cigarettes and is very difficult to find.
In-fighting and petty squabbling only hurts the groups. Buy what you like, use what you like and don't worry about other people.
In-fighting and petty squabbling only hurts the groups. Buy what you like, use what you like and don't worry about other people.
Finally got it guys, as few stated it's Nemesis clone with Stingray like magnetic switch:
Here is a screen shot of it taken apart:
Compared to Stingray clone
Like I stated previously in this thread, the only reason I got this mod was because BCV vapes screwed up royally on the top cap for 26650 for BFM, all my atties are wobbly etc..so I saw 101 vapes had this at good priced compared to flippers on E-bay. It arrived in white HCigar box and it was contained inside a black tube....so nothing fancy like Tobeco Hades Clone box..so don't expect it.
The threads are decent...it screwed on smoothly...I notice initially the firing button was crunchy...but after taken everything apart and re tightening for the photo shoot...lot better. It has long throw after adjusting the 510 connection with my atties and adjusting for battery rattle..it hits similar to my 650 mods like Nemesis, King 2014, Tree, etc..so I guess it's good thing..with the longer battery life. If I had inline voltage reader, I would test it. But it works for my needs. BTW..the mods feels sturdy and solid, especially the 510 connection..
Would I buy this again, sure for under $40.00 shipped..no more...I wasn't interested in Hades...and didn't want to shell out $50 plus tax and shipping for Mutant 26650 clone...so I'm big fan of the Nemesis ...no brainer for me..
There are always cons:
* the locking ring feels cheap, that was the only thing that didn't feel solid..but I think most Nemesis clones are like that.
* not sure if those are 100% copper contacts, I doubt it
Here is final shot with Infinite Magma clone..which is good buy also...there are already few youtubes videos on this thing...definitely fun to play around with.
Here is a screen shot of it taken apart:
Compared to Stingray clone
Like I stated previously in this thread, the only reason I got this mod was because BCV vapes screwed up royally on the top cap for 26650 for BFM, all my atties are wobbly etc..so I saw 101 vapes had this at good priced compared to flippers on E-bay. It arrived in white HCigar box and it was contained inside a black tube....so nothing fancy like Tobeco Hades Clone box..so don't expect it.
The threads are decent...it screwed on smoothly...I notice initially the firing button was crunchy...but after taken everything apart and re tightening for the photo shoot...lot better. It has long throw after adjusting the 510 connection with my atties and adjusting for battery rattle..it hits similar to my 650 mods like Nemesis, King 2014, Tree, etc..so I guess it's good thing..with the longer battery life. If I had inline voltage reader, I would test it. But it works for my needs. BTW..the mods feels sturdy and solid, especially the 510 connection..
Would I buy this again, sure for under $40.00 shipped..no more...I wasn't interested in Hades...and didn't want to shell out $50 plus tax and shipping for Mutant 26650 clone...so I'm big fan of the Nemesis ...no brainer for me..
There are always cons:
* the locking ring feels cheap, that was the only thing that didn't feel solid..but I think most Nemesis clones are like that.
* not sure if those are 100% copper contacts, I doubt it
Here is final shot with Infinite Magma clone..which is good buy also...there are already few youtubes videos on this thing...definitely fun to play around with.
You really can see the Nemesis / Stingray heritage in your pics. But as you said those aren't bad devices to lift design elements from. I know you can shim the standard Nemesis switch to shorten the throw, can you do something similar with the Stingray switch? That sounds like your only real complaint with it.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Xparent Purple Tapatalk 2
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Xparent Purple Tapatalk 2
With my Nemesis, I got longer firing pin.....I like short throws like my tree, and my extended pin Nemmy..it's not deal breaker on Hellsman..
Just wanted to find con..I guess I was being too "review" like..I actually like it..for the price I paid...
Last edited:
If you're talking about mechs only, I might agree that China has not been very innovative. But, then I'd say that mech designs, which are basically taken from flashlight designs, aren't very innovative in general. I don't know, maybe the first hybrid design was somewhat innovative. Now let's look at the bigger picture of all ecigs. Who invented the ecigarette? China. Who designed the most popular non-cigalike battery, the eGo? China. Innokin makes a range of rather unique products. I might be wrong, but weren't the first VW devices from China? Now if you want to complain about QC and CS, I'm on board, but I don't think it's fair to say China doesn't innovate.
As for social media, I've never purchased a product because I saw it on FB. Maybe others do. If that's a big factor, it's news to me.
As for social media, I've never purchased a product because I saw it on FB. Maybe others do. If that's a big factor, it's news to me.
For $40 bucks, it can't be beat...
As for innovation and China, when your whole, very successful, business model is based upon undercutting existing industries, why would you innovate?
It's far riskier.
As for innovation and China, when your whole, very successful, business model is based upon undercutting existing industries, why would you innovate?
It's far riskier.
As a note, China doesn't have a business model. Individual businesses do. And there is plenty of innovation coming from many those companies. Who do you think invented the eGo and clearomizer? Or vaping for that matter? Then you have companies like Sigelei and Innokin that make their own stuff. You also have companies known for their clones emerging with originals (Hcigar and Tobeco namely).
Hmmm..since you want to nit pick...
China's system is dictated by the state. Not in every detail, but just try to deviate too far from the norm, you will get slapped back.
I have worked several contract for both foreign and Chinese companies in China, and believe me, your business plan had better meet the govt's approval.
Also, it is accepted etymological practice to apply socio-political grouping when appropriate.
Anyways, I will stop e-peening, and get back to the topic.
Good day to you
China's system is dictated by the state. Not in every detail, but just try to deviate too far from the norm, you will get slapped back.
I have worked several contract for both foreign and Chinese companies in China, and believe me, your business plan had better meet the govt's approval.
Also, it is accepted etymological practice to apply socio-political grouping when appropriate.
Anyways, I will stop e-peening, and get back to the topic.
Good day to you
I agree, at least on the Innokin front (and invention of ecigs, of course). Even though I don't use them, I would personally recommend Innokin to any vaper looking for (mostly) reasonably priced regulated devices over your Vamos and Zmaxes any day.
And they are still innovating...while I think the Innokin DRV (the hands free car vaping device) is a horrid looking thing, at least they're trying to come up with something that hasn't been done before, at least in the same way.
But at the same time, it's the fact that companies like Innokin exist that bothers me even more about your SmokTechs, Sigeleis, etc. Chinese companies are perfectly capable of innovation or at least of producing original designs, just most of [the ecig companies] choose not to take that path.
Innokin, Youde, SmokTech, Joyetech and Sigeleis all have new products that aren't clones, coming out or that have been recently released. Most clones are sold by hcigar, EHPro, Tobeco and Infinite. I'm not sure if I can agree with your statement that, "most of [the ecig companies] choose not to take that path."
Even if you don't count Sigelei and SmokTech, those are still just the big names that have made it into the US market. Search for ecigs on alibaba.com and see how many clone manufacturers pop up...dozens upon dozens upon dozens, if not more. And not to beat a dead horse, but Sigelei was pretty much THE original big name cloner...their entire line of Telescopic mods are clones, albeit not counterfeits as most people define the two terms.
Hmmm..since you want to nit pick...
China's system is dictated by the state. Not in every detail, but just try to deviate too far from the norm, you will get slapped back.
I have worked several contract for both foreign and Chinese companies in China, and believe me, your business plan had better meet the govt's approval.
Also, it is accepted etymological practice to apply socio-political grouping when appropriate.
Anyways, I will stop e-peening, and get back to the topic.
Good day to you
Times are changing.
Im not saying the "party" does not rear its head into the private sector at all now. But this isn't the China that Nixon visited.
Here's the big beast, not bad, but the switch does suck. I really have to crank down on it to get it to fire. Novelty piece for me anyways but other than the craptastic switch I like it!
Have you tried using emory cloth, or 1500 grit on the switch?
Lots of times when I have a crunch in a switch, there is a tiny remnant of a machining tab in there.
I hope it's something simple like that, rather than materials or design...
Lots of times when I have a crunch in a switch, there is a tiny remnant of a machining tab in there.
I hope it's something simple like that, rather than materials or design...
My thoughts are exactly the same...you really have push hard ..that was my only complaint..
- Status
