Another propaganda article: children vaping

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Vap0rJay

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Study: Children's use of e-cigarettes increasing

Funny how all of a sudden all of these types of articles are coming out in droves.







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Do you believe this crap, Dascombe?
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It's not our job to believe it, Lewis. Our job is to tell the people.
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"Exactly what they tell us." I Know but do you think that people will believe it?
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They will if it's you that's telling it to them. Now let's try it again.
 

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It's no mystery. The CDC sent out a copy of their press release two days ago, marking it "Embargoed until 9/6/2013".

There isn't a huge difference between the growth of adult interest and youth use of the products.

Youth "Ever Use" grew from 3.3% in 2010 to 6.8% in 2011. The Adult "Ever Use" figures were 3.3% to 6.2% for the same years.

Naturally the figure for the latest year is going to be larger. The word "ever" includes everything that came before. And the 3.3% ever users in 2010 included all the "ever users" from prior years.
 

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EK, I know you and Kristin have touched on this a bit, but........ The drama of children is definitely more dramatic for ratings than the breaking news about the Drexel Study. Where is OUR good press???????? I can't take it! Its like our study doesn't exist!! This cant be happening! I believe they are setting us up for the worst! If they are so concerned about the children, I am all for ADULT SIGNATURE REQUIRED for e-cig related mail! Digital Cigzz does it (is there a downside to this?), I applaud them, for being ahead of the curve. I don't know what to think anymore:confused:
 

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I like this part. Thrown in as an 'aside' :facepalm:

"Children still are more likely to light up regular cigarettes, though teen smoking rates have dropped in the past decade. More teens now smoke (a word that can't be mentioned - not "ecigarettes") than tobacco, surveys have found." That's actually more 'newsworthy'... for some. :facepalm: :laugh:
 

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These arguments are ridiculous. They will never keep anything out of the hands of children who want to get it. If it was possible, kids wouldn't be able to get their hands on drugs... It doesn't matter if they ban flavored eliquid like they did flavored tobacco. It's ridiculous to say that the flavorings are made to "attract children" as well. Do adults not have taste buds?
 

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These arguments are ridiculous. They will never keep anything out of the hands of children who want to get it. If it was possible, kids wouldn't be able to get their hands on drugs... It doesn't matter if they ban flavored eliquid like they did flavored tobacco. It's ridiculous to say that the flavorings are made to "attract children" as well. Do adults not have taste buds?

All they (nanny state critics) would have to do is read our ejuice review threads. lol Adults like different flavors too! OMG!

You know what's more harmful to children than ecigarettes? Public school education, that teaches nanny statism.
 
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OK I'll say it ...
Kids are always attracted to stuff which they think make them appear to be older than they are.
I have a 5 year old grand-daughter when playing will put on lipstick and high-heels.

In the case of e-cigs ... I'm sure some kids find it cool and fun to blow vapor clouds.
If I was a youngster ... I would want to have a couple disposables to check out
and blow vapor clouds ... just for fun

The reality is ... and its been mentioned several times in other threads ...
There's no evidence any non-smoker has ever become addicted to nicotine
from e-cigs.

Kids pick-up smoking cigarettes everyday ...
Would rather those who do would opt out with experimenting with e-smoking
instead of smoking.

We can't condone kids e-smoking ... even if just for fun blowing vapor clouds.
However, kids will be kids and teenagers will find a way to get booze or anything else they want
to experiment with.

Increasing numbers of youngsters admit trying an e-cig ... It's a phase thing kids go through
and I'm sure it won't be long before some kids who would have picked up smoking cigarettes anyway
will admit they were playing around with e-cigs first. Doesn't mean e-cigs are a slippery slope.

I know smokers who quit cold turkey years ago and are now vaping 0 nic just because
not having the relaxing smoking habit was driving them nuts.

This country has lost its ever lovin' Nanny State mind.
 

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Don't be confused. These people know perfectly well it isn't flavors that attract children to ecigs, or smoking for that matter. But "save the children" makes good press ("Save the smokers" doesn't... Neither does "Parents, raise your children to be responsible.") It's all deceitful propaganda to grease the slippery slope of prohibitionism. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

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Now this is probably for the over 40 crowd, but remember when we were kids there were those "bubblegum" candy cigarettes? No one complained at the time , because cigarettes were not "evil" then.

Kids will always at some time in their lives be "attracted" to smoking, some try it , gag and never do it again. Some try it and depending on the reaction stay with it, till they get a girlfriend/boyfriend that objects.

At least, and Im not condoning it, but at least with kids using e-cigs its not as harmful as the other things they will smoke or the alcohol they use and the caffeine from the coffee and sodas they drink. And lets not forget the unprotected sex they are experimenting with.
 

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If they are so concerned about the children, I am all for ADULT SIGNATURE REQUIRED for e-cig related mail! Digital Cigzz does it (is there a downside to this?), I applaud them, for being ahead of the curve. I don't know what to think anymore:confused:

It's a great inconvenience for people who work and can't be present when their mail arrives--for me it means a trip to the post office and often a couple of phone calls to try to figure out when exactly my package will be available for pickup, then waiting in line at the PO...

Not the end of the world, but a PITA.
 

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I like this part. Thrown in as an 'aside' :facepalm:

"Children still are more likely to light up regular cigarettes, though teen smoking rates have dropped in the past decade. More teens now smoke (a word that can't be mentioned - not "ecigarettes") than tobacco, surveys have found." That's actually more 'newsworthy'... for some. :facepalm: :laugh:

These arguments are ridiculous. They will never keep anything out of the hands of children who want to get it. If it was possible, kids wouldn't be able to get their hands on drugs...

OK I'll say it ...
Kids are always attracted to stuff which they think make them appear to be older than they are.
I have a 5 year old grand-daughter when playing will put on lipstick and high-heels.

In the case of e-cigs ... I'm sure some kids find it cool and fun to blow vapor clouds.
If I was a youngster ... I would want to have a couple disposables to check out
and blow vapor clouds ... just for fun

The reality is ... and its been mentioned several times in other threads ...
There's no evidence any non-smoker has ever become addicted to nicotine
from e-cigs.

Kids pick-up smoking cigarettes everyday ...
Would rather those who do would opt out with experimenting with e-smoking
instead of smoking.

We can't condone kids e-smoking ... even if just for fun blowing vapor clouds.
However, kids will be kids and teenagers will find a way to get booze or anything else they want
to experiment with.

Increasing numbers of youngsters admit trying an e-cig ... It's a phase thing kids go through
and I'm sure it won't be long before some kids who would have picked up smoking cigarettes anyway
will admit they were playing around with e-cigs first. Doesn't mean e-cigs are a slippery slope.

I know smokers who quit cold turkey years ago and are now vaping 0 nic just because
not having the relaxing smoking habit was driving them nuts.

This country has lost its ever lovin' Nanny State mind.

I worry a lot more about my grandchildren experimenting with other substances, alcohol or cigarettes than I do with the possibility that they may pick up an e-cig. I think that for many kids who experiment with an e-cig, it will probably be just a phase that they go through for a period of time, especially if they are using 0 nic. When I was a teenager I tried a lot of different things and, thank god, gave them up before they became an addiction problem (except for the cigarettes, unfortunately).

It seems to me like it would be nice if we could get the media focus back on the improved health benefits for the people who are actually using e-cigs now (instead of worrying about segments of the population which may never use one), but I also feel like we're between a rock and a hard place, as the industry can't make medical related claims or claim that it's a smoking cessation device (other than in our personal testimonies, of course). This is referring to the FDA classing it as a tobacco product rather than a health/medical device (and I know there is a set of other issues around that, which could even be worse).
 

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I like this part. Thrown in as an 'aside' :facepalm:

"Children still are more likely to light up regular cigarettes, though teen smoking rates have dropped in the past decade. More teens now smoke (a word that can't be mentioned - not "ecigarettes") than tobacco, surveys have found." That's actually more 'newsworthy'... for some. :facepalm: :laugh:

My kids and their friends tell me that it's easier for them to get their hands on illegal substances than cigarettes. Cigarettes are legal and regulated, which means that most vendors card young buyers religiously; my local CVS cards everybody who wants to buy cigs, regardless of age. They just do.
 

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Left this comment on the Yahoo story:

The word "inflammatory" comes to mind. The CDC expressed a "concern" about "the risk for nicotine addiction and initiation of the use of conventional cigarettes or other tobacco products." None of the data the CDC collected confirms this is actually happening. They didn't even bother to ask whether the e-cigarettes kids are using has nicotine in them. They did not bother to ask those who both smoke and use an e-cigarette which product they used first. Maybe tobacco cigarettes are a gateway to e-cigarettes. That's how it is working among adults.

I should not have used the word kids. It's almost as bad as "children." When I read or hear "children" I picture elementary school age or younger.

The definition of child is

1 a : an unborn or recently born person

b dialect : a female infant

2 a : a young person especially between infancy and youth

The word child or children does not appear in the CDC's announcement. If reporters can't type "middle school and high school students" because their fingers are too tired, they should be using "youth" rather than "children".

Youth:

1 a : the time of life when one is young; especially : the period between childhood and maturity
 

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It's no mystery. The CDC sent out a copy of their press release two days ago, marking it "Embargoed until 9/6/2013".

There isn't a huge difference between the growth of adult interest and youth use of the products.

Youth "Ever Use" grew from 3.3% in 2010 to 6.8% in 2011. The Adult "Ever Use" figures were 3.3% to 6.2% for the same years.

Naturally the figure for the latest year is going to be larger. The word "ever" includes everything that came before. And the 3.3% ever users in 2010 included all the "ever users" from prior years.

Embargoed? So what else was released on that date that the CDC (and others) did not want anyone to notice? I think that's the real drama of this story - Shame on so-called journalist's that aren't use to this decades old tactic by now.

"Children still are more likely to light up regular cigarettes, though teen smoking rates have dropped in the past decade. More teens now smoke (a word that can't be mentioned - not "ecigarettes") than tobacco, surveys have found."

My response would be simple; "So how's that war on drugs working out?"
Do we want to add ecigs to it as well?

I can understand the position of 'de-normalizing' smoking, making it unpopular or inconvienent - even raising prices to a degree. But there comes a time with addictions where all that can be done, has been done. Those who can "just quit" (cold turkey) have probably done so already. Adding more restrictions will have the reverse effect.

I mean, what can be more alluring to a teen than something heavy regulated / illegal? Right now ecigs are weird, geeky, inconvienent, something old people do (parents) and for the most part expensive compared to a pack of cigs. Even 0 nic is going to make a non-smoker cough. I don't see the "cool" factor.

The only "cool" factor is going to appear when they hand off the vaping industry to BT. They will spend millions in marketing to make it cool, maybe even more addictive (with additional propietary chemicals), and 'delivery systems' that allow nicotine to be more effective - just like they did with traditional cigarettes.

I think one of the problems is the vaping community that want to get healthier has been lumped in with the evil tobacco companies and many don't (want to) recognize the difference.

With headlines like that, a lot of people aren't going to continue reading to see the "proof" for such statements is vague at best. The headline makes the conclusion and wins. The reason for that is that the bulk of the population is not particularly concerned with ecigs. Many have probably never seen them in real life. The reason this has come up for any regulation is due to BT and BP concerns over the marketplace. That's who's introducing bills in communities and state legislatures, not the voters. It's an end run around democracy.
 
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The funny part is that they still sell those bubblegum cigarettes. IMO, that is worse than kids seeing PVs being used by adults or any of the flavored eliquids that they will probably never see unless they walk into a vape/smoke shop. I can't believe people really buy into the arguments "for the kids".

They don't really, but it sounds good. Like 'for the poor' or 'for the elderly'... to show you 'care'. And something to divide individuals into groups.
 

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It's a great inconvenience for people who work and can't be present when their mail arrives--for me it means a trip to the post office and often a couple of phone calls to try to figure out when exactly my package will be available for pickup, then waiting in line at the PO...

Not the end of the world, but a PITA.
My point is, there are ways to accomplish "protecting the children" that doesn't have to go to the extreme of an online ban. The FDA has other options, without stripping adults healthier alternatives away. YES it would be a pain in the neck to have to sign for packages. It is DEFINITELY more palatable than the alternative. If the FDA goes to the extreme, then truly they have their "own" agenda, considering there are other options!
 

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The ONLY reason we are vaping today
is because the FDA got their ... sued off when they decided to ban e-cig sales.

The FDA couldn't care less about smoker's healthier alternatives.
The FDA DOES HAVE AN AGENDA
and it has nothing to do with protecting the public's health.

We know this ...
Yet many find it hard to accept the FDA doesn't care
about the public's health ... let alone a safer alternative for smokers.

When the FDA figures out how to regulate without getting their ... sued off again ...
They will announce their intended "demon" regulations.

For all those on the ECF who have posted ...
There should be regulations on this or that (to protect us from ourselves)
Your wishes are about to come true.
 

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The ONLY reason we are vaping today
is because the FDA got their ... sued off when they decided to ban e-cig sales.

The FDA couldn't care less about smoker's healthier alternatives.
The FDA DOES HAVE AN AGENDA
and it has nothing to do with protecting the public's health.

We know this ...
Yet many find it hard to accept the FDA doesn't care
about the public's health ... let alone a safer alternative for smokers.

When the FDA figures out how to regulate without getting their ... sued off again ...
They will announce their intended "demon" regulations.

For all those on the ECF who have posted ...
There should be regulations on this or that (to protect us from ourselves)
Your wishes are about to come true.
I completely agree.....So, I suppose from your post, you are still expecting the worst from the FDA? How do you suppose this will play out? I know you have been a big proponent of "e-cigs are here to stay". Are you suggesting black market will be the only option? Or, are you suggesting the FDA will get defeated again? I don't know that e-cigs can exist without some reasonable regulation.
 
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