Anyone else feel like YiHi needs to slow down

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I remember when the original SX chips started coming out and a lot of us were excited because some of those chips were going to be user upgradable. Problem is, it's become nearly pointless. Why? Because as soon as you get your YiHi-powered device the next chip is coming out next week.

So in reality the upgradable chips ...at most ... are nothing more than a slight wattage upgrade they release shortly, with no upgrade of any sort coming later due to the chipset being obsolete in less than a month.


Personally, I'd prefer if they spent a solid amount of time R&Ding their latest chipset and making it more future proof. Take the SXMini for example. They sold the SXMini knowing dang well there was a new chip design in the works. Instead of rushing product to the market, they should have at the very least put TC hardware on the current chipset inside the SXMini. They could have THEN released firmware to unlock this feature later on, as well as release the SXMini in "new and exciting" colors to promote new sales of the product.

Had they done this, it would have proven that their user upgrades are a legitimately useful feature that the competition can't hang their hat on.

China has come a long way and YiHi is one of the biggest players here right now. But this whole "New and improved mod/chip coming out next week/month" stuff has got to stop. When you're producing $30-$40 devices, people are less likely to care that their mod is already on version 4 within 2 months of owning their v1. But when you start charging high end prices, people are going to start getting irritated. At those prices, your business model should/needs to change. It can't be about churning new models for the sake of profit or because of slight improvement. At high end prices, you need to THINK of those features before hand and give the customer the best chip possible, even if it will take firmware changes to take advantage of them.

And no, this isn't a SXMini rant ... as I don't own one. I just think it's getting pretty crazy at how quickly they are pumping out chipsets with significant changes. And it's not just YiHi them selves .... look at P4You. They release the ipv Mini and within weeks you have the IPVMini 2, which has a better chip and higher wattage. I own an ipv Mini v2 and I genuinely feel bad for those who had JUST purchased the IPVMini.

We got use to all the revisions when you were producing flawed chips and you had no choice but to quickly fix them with a new version. But now ... now you're just taking the consumer for a ride down the money train. Spend more time adding features and testing your current developmental chip and stop worrying about changing your assembly lines for next months chip. We want thought out innovation (and are willing to pay for it) ... not an endless revolving door of chip revisions.

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Totally disagree.
Maybe for their own units they could spend a little more time being innovative. They are an industry supplier and they have to meet demand. I don't think any Mod maker is going to wait for a Chip manufacturer to future proof their chips.

Also - this IPV mini has NOT been updated. The mini2 is a secondary release. They have effectively produced product for 2 markets.
I enjoy my Mini2 and my mini. My wife likes the Mini I gave her and has no need for a 70w device. I could just see her now, accidentally putting it to max power with her Protank:ohmy:
 

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We're talking about China here. Meeting demand has never been their problem. I just feel the game they are currently playing ... especially in the high end market ... it a little "dirty". Not the best word but it will due.

It would be like Provari coming out with the P3 and 2 months later coming out with the P4 that had a feature the competition already had out prior to the P3. People would rake them under the coals for it. I don't see why a Chinese company should be held to any less of a standard when they are targeting a different end user (high end).

I also don't see the point in firmware upgradable chips if the only upgrade is going to be a watt boost and the chipset is then forgotten because the next upgradable chip is out with higher wattage than the one before. Why not just release the device with higher wattage to begin with? It's a bit gimmicky at that point.

Obviously no one is forced to buy any of it. I just feel they should push for more R&D and innovation rather than maximizing profits by pumping out a chip every month and getting suckers to bite and buy buy buy ....
 
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We're talking about China here. Meeting demand has never been their problem. I just feel the game they are currently playing ... especially in the high end market ... it a little "dirty". Not the best word but it will due.

It would be like Provari coming out with the P3 and 2 months later coming out with the P4 that had a feature the competition already had out prior to the P3. People would rake them under the coals for it. I don't see why a Chinese company should be held to any less of a standard when they are targeting a different end user (high end).

I also don't see the point in firmware upgradable chips if the only upgrade is going to be a watt boost and the chipset is then forgotten because the next upgradable chip is out with higher wattage than the one before. Why not just release the device with higher wattage to begin with? It's a bit gimmicky at that point.

Obviously no one is forced to buy any of it. I just feel they should push for more R&D and innovation rather than maximizing profits by pumping out a chip every month and getting suckers to bite and buy buy buy ....

You obviously never got into the computer end of things.
You cannot take a new computer home without it being obsoleted by newer higher tech designs.

The tech end seems to never sleep. Manufacturing has to be squeezed in somewhere. The task is deciding when to buy and what to hold out for. If (x) is on the horizon then it is your choice to wait patiently or purchase what is available.

Also, it is likely the SX Mini was well into design when the TC DNA was announced and not readily available or accepted. Heck, a lot of us still don't see the point.
{though I am starting to understand after reading some of the Help me threads posted lately}:facepalm:
 

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I have an engineering degree in computer sciences and have been building PCs for over 20 years. The two markets aren't even comparable. Chip manufacturers in the PC sector don't change chipsets for a year, and the next chipset doesn't really provide much performance gain ... rather focuses on shrinking the microarchitecture of the chip itself. Meaning, it takes 2-3 years for a new cpu bridge to be released before you see any real world / significant performance gains. If your buying high end chips, the differences are barely worth mentioning.

When it comes to PCs ... the "obsolete" idea is somewhat of a myth actually. If you buy high end PC components, you don't need to upgrade for awhile ... if ever. (Depending on the software you use). Really the only connection is the attitude people have towards wanting/needing the latest and greatest. Otherwise, the current ecig chip development cycle outpaces the PC development cycle by MILES. Of course, they spend a lot more time with R&D in the PC market. Which kinda brings me back to my original point.

But hey, we can disagree. I personally would just like to see more resources go into innovation and development rather than popping out new products as fast as humanly possible.
 
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Yeah, because Intel never changes the socket architecture and cuts off newly-purchased but older chipset boards from the new procs. The intertubes are rife with socket woes and buyer's remorse.

Also, I think Yihi is pretty damned slow in this market, really. The SX350 has been out for a full six-eight month product cycle, even though their flagship device using it is still fairly new, it's been running in other mods for months and months and months. The SX330 got a few firmware and hardware updates for OEM applications, but it's really the same board. The SX300 is stable, SX130 is stable, nothing really new about either of them.

In the case of the IPV Mini 2, crxess is right, it's serving a different market in the same form factor.

Just like you can buy laptop that has a range of resolutions, storage, GPUs, RAM and cores, to serve multiple markets. Mary Joe Browserinski is happy with 720p, 4gb, an i3 and a 250gb mech drive. Bob Gamerfield needs the geebees, all the geebees, and all the cores, and all the resolutions, and he's willing to pay quite a bit more...for a device that looks just like Mary Joe's on the outside.
 

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Good point with the SX350 being out as long as it has been.

I will say though, it's still apples and oranges when comparing to the PC market. I mean, PC chip manufactures announce their next chipsets long before they begin phasing them out. Intel announced its' 2016 bridge in the 4th quarter of 2014. And even so, the difference between one generation to the next is still miniscule for 99% of users. People really have no reason to complain ... they KNOW what's coming.

Maybe that's the part I have problem with. Ecig consumers are pretty much left in the dark until pre-order. Perhaps it would nicer if we had more of an idea on what's on the horizon to better make future purchases. And who knows ... maybe that's because it's still a market in its infancy. Maybe makers want it that way to help boost excitement when product is finally released. Who knows.

Frankly, this whole thing doesn't really effect me. As I buy what I want to buy and I've never had buyers remorse. I just feel for the guy/gal who buys a device ... accepting its limits because its the closest thing to what they're looking for ... only to find out in a month the same product is being released with the features they would have preferred to begin with.

Sure the IPVMini and IPVMiniv2 CAN serve two separate markets. But I'm sure there are people who bought the IPV Mini for its form factor who prefer vaping at over 30 watts and would prefer the SX330 over the SX130. Those are the people I can feel for and understand their frustration. But my overall point was more towards companies like YiHi pushing innovation over production. I love innovation ... I like to see evolution. Cookie cutter devices with added sprinkles in the high end market kinda bug me. *shrug*
 
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