anyone else much more surprised at how vapor suppresses cravings better?

[defiance00]

hello, been a smoker awhile and towards the end i would ALWAYS crave a cigarette. I mean i'd be craving them as i was smoking them almost.

Once i switched to e cigs, everytime i actually crave nicotine it provides that relaxation to it, without having to up my nicotine dose ever. That feeling i almost never got with cigarettes, not even in the mornings anymore.

I dunno, it just seems to me that nicotine wasn't even the most addicting substance in cigarrettes. The cravings now are much less intense if say i leave to do something for thirty mins to an hour and forget my extra battery and the one with me dies. Now granted, there's still a ceaving but it isn't that nervous, wigged out, have to have one type.

My nicotine dose isn't very low either at 24 mg. I dunno, but i'd really like to know what exactly cigarrette companies put in there cigs, cause nicotine craving is far, far more different then what i experience while smoking, to the point i'd say there's a more addictive substance in cigarettes all together.

 

[Spazmelda]

I have experienced the same thing. Seems like I've read one of the things might be the MAOI's in cigarettes, but I haven't really read any of the research on it. Who knows? Among the 4000+ chemicals in cigarettes, there could be quite a few contributing to and enhancing the addiction.

 

[Shadow102]

defiance00- The reason your cravings aren't so "psychotic" (you know, that feeling you got where you'd actually kill someone for a cigarette) is because vaping gives you your nicotine without the 1-2 punch of MAOI's behind it.

MAOI's typically linked with anti-depression meds prevent your brain from flushing dopamine (that wonderful chemical that your body produces that makes us feel good) as quickly as it naturally would. Smoking tobacco cigarettes gave you the nicotine (which increases dopamine production) as well as MAOI's to keep that good feeling going, basically its the recipe for addiction.

By vaping we are getting the nicotine, but allowing our bodies to flush excess dopamine at the natural rate, so we still get that warm fuzzy feeling, but don't have it prolonged. Its part of the reason why vapers actually vape more regularly than we did as smokers.

 

[cyberwolf]

I absolutely agree. I remember having to literally time myself between cigarettes if I was in a situation where I could smoke constantly. Now I really don't have a problem putting the PV down.

 

[madjack]

...when I smoked 3ppd I could hardly stand to NOT be smoking...it was a constant craving...now, while I do chain vape(14-16mg), it is not same at all...while sitting at the PC, or watching TV or reading, I have my PV in my hand and every few+ minutes I take a vape or two...I will set it down while doing things...even if I get up to make a quick run to the store and not have a craving for nic at all...when I stop or sit, I will reach and have a vape or two and set it aside again...there is no, run to the store at 3AM, break into the neighbors car, kick in the door craving...I don't know what the diff is but this is SOOOOOOO much better!!!!!!!!!
madjack

 

[IB Crow]

ive noticed it takes less for me to get a calming effect, instead of a full cig (7-10 puffs) i only take 3 or 4 draws, and im good for a bit longer. i also dont really get "cravings" or feel im "jonesin" for a vape since ive switched over, just that i need to chill out a lil bit, so i pull out my e cig and take a few drags, and then put it away, unless im driving which is when ive always smoked the most. (sorry if this is a bit off topic, wasnt sure exactly what you were talking about)

 

[couch magnet]

I have definetly found this to be true you are spot on.
no more animal like rage if i go without for an hour or two.
I can think of two possible reasons..

1. We have broken the dependencies that comes from combustion of chemicals wich are inhaled with analogs..

2. We have an abundance of nicotine already in our system.

hmmmm

3. 1+2

Hope it is # 1.

 

[couch magnet]

Mad Jack lol at break into neighbors car for cigg, ROFL

 

[hannja]

Any suggestions on limiting vaping so that I am not taking any nicotine at all eventually? I really don't want to swap smoking for vaping constantly. Also, what does MAOI stand for?

 

[dormouse]

There is at least one other chemical in cigs that makes nicotine and cigs more addictive so I m not surprised at all.

I limit vaping by putting the ecigs and my Kindle in another room at home. I go there to vape or vape and read a bit. If I know I have to be away from that room for more than 20 min I might put one ecig next to me for that time, than it goes back in the room. Works great.

At work they are on my desk but I set them down, not vape constantly.

Also - when I started vaping, I knew it was a crutch. I don't have the willpower to quit smoking. So I was substituting this safer and more pleasant habit. But I was determined to not escalate my need for TH or nicotine - that way I could feel good about vaping. Since I stuck to that, I was even able to drop my nicotine a couple of times and lower my need for TH and nicotine. I still need some TH and nicotine and I bought a couple of 3.7v big batteries so I can get more hit when I need it, but I am pretty happy with where I am now.

 

[Shadow102]

Any suggestions on limiting vaping so that I am not taking any nicotine at all eventually? I really don't want to swap smoking for vaping constantly. Also, what does MAOI stand for?

MAOI=Monoamine oxidase inhibitors

Best suggestion for quitting vaping eventually would be to gradually step down your nic dosage until you get to 0 nic. At that point if you're content with 0mg nic you can work on beating the hand-mouth addiction.

 

[baronvoncardo]

That's an excellent point, defiance. I think you hit the nail on the head: there ARE other chemicals in cigs that are far more addictive than nicotine. Another indicator of this is the fact that I don't feel completely toxic when I vape. I did when I smoked. I felt like I would sweat poison, like I was severely hung over. There is so much evil ..... in those things! Nicotine is fairly nasty stuff. I have no delusions about that. However, I don't think it's nearly as damaging as some of the other chemical compounds in an average filter cigarette.

I tried to smoke a Pall Mall filter a few months ago and it made me feel so crummy...just ill. I don't get that feeling when I use my PV.

 

[dormouse]

Some part of my brain told me when I should drop nic. Not the part that had just ordered $50 of current level juices. I was about 2 months into vaping, I had equipment I liked, plenty of spares and chargers, had found juices I liked, was just enjoying it. That's when some part of my brain said to it would be ok to drop a level so I staged that and then dropped. I started buying juices only in the lower level (my faves and some new ones I wanted to try) and I bought a few Plano 3630 boxes (hold up to 10ml bottles, cartos, etc). Once I had all the juices, on a Saturday morning I boxed up the old level and set out the new one. I don't vape constantly so I was able to vape a bit extra over the transition. TH was still fine.

The next drop went even more smoothly because I was using cartomizers. When I switched to lower juices I just topped off my old level cartos with the lower juice. This was a larger drop in TH from 12mg to 6-8mg. And this time I was smart and bought the new tiny samples only in 0mg. Still OK.

Then I dropped to 0mg and 4mg and that is where I am now.

Each time it was some part of my brain that just said "I think it would be ok to drop a level now". Conscience, right side of the brain, I dunno. Worked well for me.

 

[sonicdsl]

I've been vaping about 5.5 weeks now (and analog free just as long), and was smoking about 1.5-2 ppd. I started vaping with 24mg, but once I discovered the amazing flavors of different juices and got away from the analogs, I decided TH and nic were not that important to me any more. I now get 12-16 mg, depending on what the supplier has available. Now I'm thinking some of these flavors I'll need 6 or 0mg so I don't get too loopy! I'm also saving for a mod to increase the vapor...I loves me some vapor!

 

[kabonk]

I did sort of did the same thing started on 36mg dropped to 24mg after a month the started buying everything at 18mg didn't really notice the difference then started DIY mixing at 12mg then down to 8mg I don't feel like I'm missing anything I'll drop to 6mg after the last batches are gone I mix flavors in 60mg batches so they have plenty of time to steap and it gives me time to adjust to the lower levels then to 4mg and so on

 

[minzos]

This is so exciting. i hope this works well for me too

 

[defiance00]

i'm glad i'm not the only one with similar results! As far as the addiction associate with maois, i don't really know if that's the case as i have been on maoi's before and had to stop cold turkey at a rather high dose cause of money issues. Worst feeling i received from that was a little tingling, shakiness, and generally just feeling 'weird'.

As far as addiction goes, i pretty much know all about it. I was an extremely bad oxycontin/...... addict for close to three years. I can honestly say that cigarette addiction is probably worse then that on the pure physical craving level. Now, oc/...... is stronger simply cause the negative effects when you quit and mentally it is much stronger, but pure physical craving that for a cigarette is worse and i can tell you 100 percent for sure it is not the nicotine.

Really makes me wonder if the fda is letting them slide a little because of all the money generated. Now i will concede the fact to maois that i was only on one and they probably have a cocktail, but, just from experience, there is a substance rivaling that of extremely strong narcotics and maois simply aren't like that. Your body doesn't crave them, it simply gets used to them, speaking of maois.

I mean when you're sitting there chain smoking something for relief and not receiving it, seems as if something else entirely.

Note, i'm probably one of the most unparanoid people you'll ever meet when it comes to health also.