Anyone see this CNN article?
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I've been looking at the same article all day all over the web and TV.
This thing spread like a wild fire. The FDA just played the media card, right from the play book didn't they?.
They hit every major media outlets all at once, thats huge..
Shortly after all the smaller outlets copied and pasted, then blogs, and more..
This thing spread like a wild fire. The FDA just played the media card, right from the play book didn't they?.
They hit every major media outlets all at once, thats huge..
Shortly after all the smaller outlets copied and pasted, then blogs, and more..
The only place I could find to comment on the CNN story was here: FDA and health experts warn against use of e-cigarettes | Mass Media News
(cnn page had a link to there)
We need to be sure to write rebuttals in every place we can find
(cnn page had a link to there)
We need to be sure to write rebuttals in every place we can find
I followed the links and watched the video that CNN's Dr. Sonjah Gupta did. It wasn't too bad.
I would love to see the BBC do something on this...they tend to be more honest and out of the Feds grasp...
The only example they listed was diethylene glycol - search for it in wikipedia, then read the article regarding poisonings attributed to diethylene glycol.
Stuff sounds pretty nasty - if diethylene glycol was rampant in nic juices, I would expect a lot of us dead by now.
Stuff sounds pretty nasty - if diethylene glycol was rampant in nic juices, I would expect a lot of us dead by now.
well since I can't post links yet, I'll post tidbits of stuff I found in my city newspaper (st louis)
I love how the FDA instantly trashes anything they don't have a regulation or control over.
Federal health officials said Wednesday they have found cancer-causing ingredients in electronic cigarettes, despite manufacturers' claims the products are safer than tobacco cigarettes.
The Food and Drug Administration said testing of products from two leading electronic cigarette makers turned up several toxic chemicals, including a key ingredient in antifreeze.
"Little is known about these products, including how much nicotine is there and what other chemicals may be there," said FDA's Deputy Commissioner Dr. Joshua Sharfstein.
FDA scientists said they tested 19 varieties of cigarettes, half of which contained forms of nitrosamine, a carcinogen known to cause cancer in humans. Many products which claimed to contain no nicotine actually had low levels of the stimulant.
thats about the gist of it. I'm just tryin to add to the conversation is all.
I love how the FDA instantly trashes anything they don't have a regulation or control over.
Federal health officials said Wednesday they have found cancer-causing ingredients in electronic cigarettes, despite manufacturers' claims the products are safer than tobacco cigarettes.
The Food and Drug Administration said testing of products from two leading electronic cigarette makers turned up several toxic chemicals, including a key ingredient in antifreeze.
"Little is known about these products, including how much nicotine is there and what other chemicals may be there," said FDA's Deputy Commissioner Dr. Joshua Sharfstein.
FDA scientists said they tested 19 varieties of cigarettes, half of which contained forms of nitrosamine, a carcinogen known to cause cancer in humans. Many products which claimed to contain no nicotine actually had low levels of the stimulant.
thats about the gist of it. I'm just tryin to add to the conversation is all.
im fed up with reading the same stuff. its all just propoganda. the FDA does not care about the health risks. if they did then real cigarettes would be banned. they care about putting up a front to make america think they care about you, but they dont. americans would be happy that the fda is "concerned" that this product is marketed to kids, and keeping their kids safe. but isnt that the parents' job? what has this country come to letting the safety of our kids lie in the hands of the government? but half of america believes everything they say on the news, so theres little chance in convincing people otherwise until more or better information is released
I'm getting mixed reactions from co-workers to these various articles based on these initial FDA findings. Aren't there lots of different foods we buy that would fail the same tests? Especially fish, 1 or 2 carcinogens here and there.
One of my co-workers told me his wife completely stopped vaping because "They found that you're something like 100 times as likely to get cancer from e-cigarettes than from analogs". An obvious overreaction. But that's the problem...people are going to overreact to this.
And apparently drinking alcohol also causes cancer: Alcohol and Cancer: What is the link between alcohol and cancer risk? and I have no qualms to drinking when I fell like it. It would be nice to put things into perspective.
One of my co-workers told me his wife completely stopped vaping because "They found that you're something like 100 times as likely to get cancer from e-cigarettes than from analogs". An obvious overreaction. But that's the problem...people are going to overreact to this.
And apparently drinking alcohol also causes cancer: Alcohol and Cancer: What is the link between alcohol and cancer risk? and I have no qualms to drinking when I fell like it. It would be nice to put things into perspective.
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The problem with this crap is that no one really knows. Common sense would tell you that E-cigarettes if popular, are a threat to two parties. Two very powerful parties. The cigarette companies, and the patches, gums, and all the other quit smoking aids by big pharma. Obviously, E-cigs are not going to be welcome, and if the FDA can muster up any kind of statistic to make E-cigs sound bad, they will do it for sure.
However, Being that we really do know very little about the true effects of vaping, we really do not know the relative saftey either. So it is basically what side do you want to believe? Maybe E-cigs will really turn out just as bad, however, I believe e-cigarettes might be the future of smoking. Perhaps in the future an interested party with money could produce an ecigarette, that is not just safer than cigarettes, but actually healthy for the body.
However, Being that we really do know very little about the true effects of vaping, we really do not know the relative saftey either. So it is basically what side do you want to believe? Maybe E-cigs will really turn out just as bad, however, I believe e-cigarettes might be the future of smoking. Perhaps in the future an interested party with money could produce an ecigarette, that is not just safer than cigarettes, but actually healthy for the body.
Oh yeah btw, there is one thing in the recent articles about E-cigs that I might see some logic in. When they talk about the inconsistent nicotine levels from cartridge to cartridge of the same listed nicotine potency. They seem to have found that the range of nicotine in the liquid is quite inconsistent.
Something like 24-100. That would kind of make sense to me in that the quality control of these factories is questionable to me, and that everyone here seems to have such different ideas of how much nicotine they are really getting. Some feel they are not getting any, while others feel like they are Overdosing on nicotine. Maybe that is the reason why, u never really know how much of the drug you are getting no matter the nicotine rating on it.
Something like 24-100. That would kind of make sense to me in that the quality control of these factories is questionable to me, and that everyone here seems to have such different ideas of how much nicotine they are really getting. Some feel they are not getting any, while others feel like they are Overdosing on nicotine. Maybe that is the reason why, u never really know how much of the drug you are getting no matter the nicotine rating on it.
you know I wonder if we will see a day sometime in the next 5-10 years were JR Reynolds will start producing name brand E cigarettes. Having tobacco companies such as camel, kool, marlboro, etc, I think that would be interesting and it would definitely fuel the flame of debate on E cigarettes even more.
Sorry to multiple post this thread, I dont think that would be likely in the near future at least. Their assets are invested in tobacco. Snus, oral tobacco, new types of less harmful tobacco products or even cigarettes I can see. But e-cigs is a threat to their current industry. They are in the business of selling tobacco not e-liquid. Unless somehow they can make liquid from tobacco lol.
Bravo, Paladinx, points well made. The worst indictment in the FDA announcement was the sloppy or nonexistent quality control of our products, highlighted by nicotine fluctuations and nicotine in no-nic liquid. Geez.
We don't know squat about how these are made or what's in them. We e-smoke on FAITH. And faith, hope, belief and love won't pass the science test.
We don't know squat about how these are made or what's in them. We e-smoke on FAITH. And faith, hope, belief and love won't pass the science test.
Yeah, when I finally step all the way down to no nicotine, I'll be "brewing" my own flavored juice. It's fun to experiment with concentrated flavorings, menthol crystals, Propylene Glycol, and Vegetable Glycerin.
I can see it now.
Me: "Here try this flavor I made..."
Friend: "Holy heck...is that....Apple Pie? / Peach Cobbler / Roast beef with gravy!!!"
I can see it now.
Me: "Here try this flavor I made..."
Friend: "Holy heck...is that....Apple Pie? / Peach Cobbler / Roast beef with gravy!!!"
I'm curious as to how much nicotine they found in the zero nic cartridges. Traces would be reasonable and expected, since theyre made using the same equipment as the nicotine versions. Just like how some products with no peanuts have traces of peanuts due to being made on same equipment.
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Check out this article... I cant wait to see what NJoy's third party research finds.
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The tobacco-related-nitrosamines they found are also found in NicodermCQ and the patch. Also, they are found in beer, hotdogs, and bacon. I don't like pork at all, but I am saying that they are approved by the FDA for foods and cessation devices.
The FDA is obviously having .... sex with Phillip Morris. Damn. I hope they use a rectal suppository beforehand for cleanliness.
The FDA is obviously having .... sex with Phillip Morris. Damn. I hope they use a rectal suppository beforehand for cleanliness.
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