Anyone tried working with Tobacco companies rather than against them?

[BuffaloBob]

When I think of BT I mostly think lies, lies , lies, lies, and more lies. Decades and decades of lies. They lie to the public, to the congress and no doubt to their families when the kiddies ask daddy, "Daddy, is it true you sell poison to people and then lie about it when they ask you for the truth?" BT is worse than munitions dealers, imo. At least munitions dealers don't lie about end results of their products.

Have a nice day.

 

[catoliver]

Me, personally, I know what they put in my cigarettes that I use to smoke. I don't trust those b@@@ards won't do the same thing. As a matter of act, I would go as far as to say that I would EXPECT them to. IMO

 

[GreenEyesDon'tLie]

These people have been crushing competition for longer than I've been alive. They don't want us as allies. My anti- big business sentiment is aimed at some massive companies that cheat, lie, and steal while hundreds of thousands of people are dropping dead yearly from their poison. I have no respect for them. Zero.

Maybe not in the past, but in recent years they've coexisted pretty peacefully with the "competition". There's a thriving niche community of smaller tobacco vendors, from RYO suppliers to pipe tobacco sellers to cigar makers, and BT hasn't given them any trouble. That's the position we need to be in, not consumed by BT but on good terms with them.

They may be focused on their own profit margins, but others benefit from that indirectly. If they had some involvement in the PV business, they would fight the bans everyone is afraid are coming eventually.

 

[jazzbo]

I've got no problems in trying to make sure the "tobacco industry" is our friend and not foe. For all they MAY have done and do, not a single one of them ever forced me to buy a pack of cigarettes. I did so of my own accord. When I grew weary of the merchandise from the Big Guys, I switched to making my own cigarettes with my own tobacco that I was able to source on my own. And when I grew tired of that, here was the Vape World.

Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer.

 

[sonofthesun]

#29. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less.

 

[Darksyde]

Unless I'm mistaken "darksyde" you are a new vaper also which has nothing to do with the topic or the opinion he holds.
Geez........
C.B.

Bitter much "cigarbabe"? Most member's first post is something like "hey, im new to vaping and loving it!", not hey lets all be buds with the tobacco industry. If I'm the only one who finds that suspicious then so be it.

 

[oxygen thief]

I don't want to lower myself to schmoozing with BT. They would beat up your sister for $20. The ONLY way they will help us is if it benefits them and then they will act like they did us a favor and ask for payback. I hope people understand what kind of people we're dealing with. They market cigs to kids, on purpose!
I read on the FDA website, they said they don't have the power to ban smoking so they treat the disease when it comes to roost. They also said, besides tobacco is a big part of our country's heritage. Holding hands are we?

 

[myyrkezaan]

http://www.cspnet.com/news/tobacco/articles/rjr-sues-e-cig-maker

They're coming, like it or not.

@oxygen: I understand we're dealing with a business just like any other business. Do you know every chemical that is in your juices? When you get a burnt taste from a wick or carto, what exactly are the components you are inhaling and what does it do? What happens when tubes start chemically breaking down and how long before you know? What happens if a batch of juice gets incorrectly sent: wrong pg/vg ratio or flavoring and you are allergic to it? What does chain vaping or too much nicotine do to you over time? Where are your components coming from, how are they made and what compounds are they using? Is it 100% safe, seems so, but no definitive stats on long term individual usage. Pregnancy or near children again no long term information.

And here's the disclaimer for the above statements before someone starts assuming and ranting: I vape, I'm telling all my smoking friends and telling people who ask me about it. But I'm not going to assume there are no side effects or be surprised if they show up.

 

[GreenEyesDon'tLie]

http://www.cspnet.com/news/tobacco/articles/rjr-sues-e-cig-maker

They're coming, like it or not.

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think RJR is in the right here. Regardless of any of the other issues, a smoking alternative using the trademarked names of their cigarettes seems like a valid reason to be upset.

It would be a different story if they went after vendors who sold juice with different names that were nods to the cigarettes they're modeled after (like SI's Desert Joe resembling Camels, various Red or Country names for Marlboro), or juices that say something like "compare to Camel®" in the description.

 

[myyrkezaan]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think RJR is in the right here. Regardless of any of the other issues, a smoking alternative using the trademarked names of their cigarettes seems like a valid reason to be upset.

It would be a different story if they went after vendors who sold juice with different names that were nods to the cigarettes they're modeled after (like SI's Desert Joe resembling Camels, various Red or Country names for Marlboro), or juices that say something like "compare to Camel®" in the description.

The link was mostly for the new company/production information. I don't think it's wrong for them to go after people using trademarked names.

Not sure how referencing a trademark comes into play when using it as a comparison. I doubt BT would have a problem if it was ever stated that a product tasted worse than a Marlboro .

 

[kiwivap]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think RJR is in the right here. Regardless of any of the other issues, a smoking alternative using the trademarked names of their cigarettes seems like a valid reason to be upset.

Here's what that's really about, "The legal action comes at a time when Reynolds American is entering the e-cigarette market with its own product, named Vuse".

So all of a sudden they have a problem with ejuice names. Consumers aren't going to confuse e-juice with cigarettes. This is how a tobacco company getting into ecigs is operating. A lawsuit on a smaller vendor.

I've no intention of writing to a tobacco company and asking them to make ecigs. I'm a vaper, not a smoker. I'll give my money and time to businesses already dedicated to vaping, or new ones dedicated to vaping, who don't make health destroying cigarettes at the same time. Those are the vaping businesses I want to see grow and expand.

And I'll vape any pv I like, with what buttons I like, because I like it.

 

[myyrkezaan]

Here's what that's really about, "The legal action comes at a time when Reynolds American is entering the e-cigarette market with its own product, named Vuse".

Wouldn't the action be aimed at the liquids they will be coming out with that will be named after their own tobacco products. It did mention the possibility of confusing products because of the name.

 

[jazzbo]

I'll be honest and say I'm interested in seeing what the johnny-come-latelys are gonna come up with...if it's just another blu/NJoy or something similar, they're hosed before they start.

 

[kiwivap]

Wouldn't the action be aimed at the liquids they will be coming out with that will be named after their own tobacco products. It did mention the possibility of confusing products because of the name.

And they want "damages from the unauthorized use of the Camel and Winston names and images and all of the profits SAS Technologies generated from the products". They are "entering" the ecig market and already trying to do over a smaller vendor financially before any "confusion" could even happen.
That's how they operate.

 

[myyrkezaan]

I'll be honest and say I'm interested in seeing what the johnny-come-latelys are gonna come up with...if it's just another blu/NJoy or something similar, they're hosed before they start.

As any printer company will tell you, or maybe they don't, the liquid is the money.

 

[flintlock62]

perrien, big tobacco already knows. We would be telling them nothing. They don't live under a rock like the guy in the GIECO commercial..

 

[zapped]

Do not kid yourself, they are more then looking lol PM bought/or is working with the makers of the first ecig, (name escapes me) they will in time become part of the vaping market in their own capacity. but like any big business they will do it after research, investment, board meetings and analysis of the market and products..

incoming thread implosion in 3....2....1........

P.Ms version of e-cigs is already undergoing testing through the Consumer Opinion Center.