Appeal of mechanical mods
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Okay, but that changes the parameters of your original assertion. The vamo can't subohm, thus the comments in the replies. If you want to moot that (and you can't for extreme subohmers), you're not looking at a $35 APV anymore and the prices get north of many quality mechs.
With price similarly moot, it's down to durability, quality, and fashion. Mechs will always win on the first point, often are better on the second, and there's no accounting for (nor any point in arguing for or against) the third.
I really prefer my regulated mods in most cases, it's just so convenient to be able to change the power setting on the fly. However, I do have a kick in my one mech, and will get another for the mech I'm about to buy, mainly so a) I can set the power level I like, and I get that from battery-full to battery-needs charging, and b) some of the protection a regulated offers, sorta like a fuse.
My biggest dislike with regulated mods is that 10-sec shutoff; sometimes it's just plain annoying, and with a mech, I don't have to worry about that. If some of the pricier regulated mods offered a way to customize that 10 seconds, to maybe 12 or 15 seconds, I'd probably be all over that and hang the price, but from what I've seen so far, none have that ability. So I have a mech, and will be getting another soon, and neither the one I have nor the one I'm getting is very costly.
And yeah, a lot of mechs are really nice looking.
Andria
Ive been using regulated mods for the past month...VS RDNA and a Sigelei 100 mainly. I like building 1+ ohm coils and running at higher wattages sometimes. Today, I rebuilt everything back at about .3 ohms and running all of my rda's on mechs. I put kayfuns and the Lemo back on my regulated stuff. In a week or so, I'll probably switch back. I really enjoy the variety....
So, my question would be Why is it so important for people to try to prove one is better than the other? It happens a lot. Some like mechs, some like regulated. I like both. Neither is better when they both work. I have a sneaky suspicion that my mechs will still work long after my regulated stuff dies, though. With the exception of my ProVari's...which don't see a lot of action anymore, I I have very little hope of a long, productive life from any of my regulated devices. Hopefully, I'm wrong.
So, my question would be Why is it so important for people to try to prove one is better than the other? It happens a lot. Some like mechs, some like regulated. I like both. Neither is better when they both work. I have a sneaky suspicion that my mechs will still work long after my regulated stuff dies, though. With the exception of my ProVari's...which don't see a lot of action anymore, I I have very little hope of a long, productive life from any of my regulated devices. Hopefully, I'm wrong.
They are making new regulated mods now that can sub ohm down to .2 and go 150 watts or higher. Yet it is regulated by a chip. Meaning the chip will adjust the battery voltage according to your resistance and wattage. It has more freedom , does not have the 10 sec shut off and yet has short protection. As a matter of fact I have 9 e on pre order now. It's coming out in two weeks it's the ipv3 150 watt with the sx330 v3 chip. According to the specs the chip is upgradable through firmware that the manufacturer will release in the future and the owner can update when the software is released. It already got one upgrade from 100 to 150 watts which will already be installed up on shipping. It has regular fire and touch fire. With several improvements made from the ipv2 50 watt with the sx330 v2 chip. I'm just using this mod as a example because I'm familiar with it. But there are others out there similar that also give the best of both worlds. So to answer your question, yes, the newer mods give the bes t of both worlds.. look at specs and you should be able to see if a particular mod has restrictions and what they are. Hope this helps.
The DNA-30 based mods, or at least the Cana Mod clone that I recently got for $69, do not have that 10 second cutoff.
1: Backup.
2: Replaceable standard sized battery such as 18650.
3: Floating or adjustable center pin is something you find on mechs but not so common on regulated mods.
4: Most regulated mods are designed for lower powered batteries; with a mech, you can get more power with the appropriate high powered batteries.
Yes there are some newer mods that allow for regulated and direct unregulated option.
theres the sx-350 chip mods.
The main reason regulated mods like say the rDNA 30 vaporshark can not sub ohm well is because of design and this is really where the simplicity of the mech mod has its advantages. the rDNA 30 is running a DNA 30 regulation board made by Evolv. The wattage and voltage regulation is done through various amplification circuits and a ARM Cortex M3 Micro Controller. The issue with the DNA 30 is the design they chose to use for the circuitry is not capable of handling say a resistance below 0.5 ohms because the current needed to maintain such abilities at various wattages and voltages would fry the chip.
Some newer devices are indeed getting better at this with better circuit designs as mentioned some now can go to .2 ohms or at least they say they can but I might be a bit doubtful would take some crafty circuit work to really make that possible without frying the controller. There are limits on what a circuit can take not only the silicon uC but also the traces used on the board and other components all factor into how far you would be able to sub ohm.
The whole point is with a mech mod there is really only 2 limits on your sub ohming. 1. The quality of your battery and 2. How crazy you are to push your limits to the hair line of a dead short that can blow your hand/jaw off. Some guys out there go below 0.1 ohm and I think that is insane considering even the most advanced multimeters on the market like my $500 Fluke 87V have a tolerance of +/- (0.2% + 1). IE you need a remarkable ohm meter to see below 0.1 ohm which is already dancing with a dead short.
One of the great things about the world of vaping is that there is something out there for whatever the vaper wishes. I have an iTaste vv v3, a Vamo v3, with a missing button, HCigar Stingray, which has my kayfun sitting on it now with Hawk Sauce that is blowing flavorful vapor as we speak. I'll have an Infinite Stingray X in the mail tomorrow.
I use all three, soon 4, as my mood changes. I'll probably get another mid level regulated mod and retire the Vamo with the hole where the button used to be. I like this hobby I turned to because, other than safety issues you must know, there's so much freedom to choose.
My current HC Stingray got rave reviews from an acquaintance who runs CNC machines on the quality...again, I did not have to pay $200 for some thing that functions and looks great. .
So for me, there doesn't have to be an absolute choice between one or the other...a large part of the appeal!!!!!
I use all three, soon 4, as my mood changes. I'll probably get another mid level regulated mod and retire the Vamo with the hole where the button used to be. I like this hobby I turned to because, other than safety issues you must know, there's so much freedom to choose.
My current HC Stingray got rave reviews from an acquaintance who runs CNC machines on the quality...again, I did not have to pay $200 for some thing that functions and looks great. .
So for me, there doesn't have to be an absolute choice between one or the other...a large part of the appeal!!!!!
Then, there is the big old gorilla in the room: elitism. Now, I realize not everyone with a mech is an elitist. But just about every elitist has at least one mech. Let's just be honest. No matter how rare it happens, it only takes one rotten apple to spoil the whole vat of cider.
I don't take away that the RBA used on top of 99% of mechs takes some practice and an additional device (and an app if you really want to chase the wind - err, clouds) to get a usable build. I don't deny you ought to buy more battery than you need.
But, it seems more to be protecting the secrets of the ancients, and an attempt to make it look a lot more complicated than it is. So they can look down their noses with a condescending sneer of a patronizing post than simply tell you what you need and what you need to do.
Or just answer the friggin' question....or stay away from the noobs. It's not as complex as a few want you to believe it is. I do realize it's CYA around here - since you can really hurt yourself if you're dumb, and the forum does NOT want to be held responsible.
However, it's like PSAs. Too much of a good thing leads to people ignoring the whole lot of it. You will eventually figure out what you need to do, and all you need is a few precautions and extra stuff.
Once you get into mech and RBA territory, as the dude at the B&M said, it's not about quitting or staying off cigarettes. It becomes a hobby, and some extra devices and knowledge (but not VOLUMES of it at the start), mixed in with some common sense safety, and you're on the road to a hobby that is quite pleasing, and something you can be proud of.
My opinion as to the appeal of the mech. It's as much a hobby as anything.
I don't take away that the RBA used on top of 99% of mechs takes some practice and an additional device (and an app if you really want to chase the wind - err, clouds) to get a usable build. I don't deny you ought to buy more battery than you need.
But, it seems more to be protecting the secrets of the ancients, and an attempt to make it look a lot more complicated than it is. So they can look down their noses with a condescending sneer of a patronizing post than simply tell you what you need and what you need to do.
Or just answer the friggin' question....or stay away from the noobs. It's not as complex as a few want you to believe it is. I do realize it's CYA around here - since you can really hurt yourself if you're dumb, and the forum does NOT want to be held responsible.
However, it's like PSAs. Too much of a good thing leads to people ignoring the whole lot of it. You will eventually figure out what you need to do, and all you need is a few precautions and extra stuff.
Once you get into mech and RBA territory, as the dude at the B&M said, it's not about quitting or staying off cigarettes. It becomes a hobby, and some extra devices and knowledge (but not VOLUMES of it at the start), mixed in with some common sense safety, and you're on the road to a hobby that is quite pleasing, and something you can be proud of.
My opinion as to the appeal of the mech. It's as much a hobby as anything.
I prefer mechs over most regs, because they are just simply elegant. As long as there is juice in the batt and the atomizer, it will vape. Regs, well, they break, they are susceptible to juice leaking into circuits, can short out, and for the good ones, have to wait, usually do a pre-order to get them.
Had a great high amp regulated, loved it, but it broke/defective, had to send it in for repair, waiting on the raptor, this never happens with a mech.
Your Vamo, while a decent entry level apv, is well, limited, can only put out 15 watts, that's it. With a mech, I can vape at whatever level I build for, typically 45-100 watts, depending on the atomizer built. Sure, have to be a bit more skilful, and know my chit, but nothing regulated can match the sheer elegance of a mech and quality rba.
Way I look at it, something like a V5 doesn't do much, heck even the dna30's don't do much more, and is limited to 30 watts, where's the fun in that??
Vape long and Prosper.!!!
Had a great high amp regulated, loved it, but it broke/defective, had to send it in for repair, waiting on the raptor, this never happens with a mech.
Your Vamo, while a decent entry level apv, is well, limited, can only put out 15 watts, that's it. With a mech, I can vape at whatever level I build for, typically 45-100 watts, depending on the atomizer built. Sure, have to be a bit more skilful, and know my chit, but nothing regulated can match the sheer elegance of a mech and quality rba.
Way I look at it, something like a V5 doesn't do much, heck even the dna30's don't do much more, and is limited to 30 watts, where's the fun in that??
Vape long and Prosper.!!!
I prefer mechs due to size and looks. Lately though looks like the regulated arms race has really heated up. I imagine that will make fewer and fewer people consider mechs, which is probably a good thing safety-wise.
Oddly enough, that's what drew me to the itaste 134. Most mechs were too simple. As a machinist, I appreciate good quality. The 134 could have been made in Germany, Switzerland, or the USA as far as its quality. Well machined, and for as many parts as it has all screwed together, the fact that absolutely nothing is loose really impressed me. Plus, it does a good job of firing my Kayfun.
I know, it's just a dopey regulated for us wee folk just dipping our toes into this lake - but I love it.
Not a bad price for those, though it's a lot more than I've paid for any of mine so far. But how do they handle low-watt vaping? I never go over about 10w.
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