Aqua producing very little vapor HELP!

[sandt38]

So far, in order for me to get the flavor I expected I am getting a much hotter vape than I want. I have played with loads from .35 to 1.6. It is now at 1.2, using 32ga which is my favorite thus far. I have tried over a dozen coil configurations, from basic horizontals to these verticals. I can not seem to get this thing filled without leaking, which is really irritating. I am far more happy with my Russian.

Here it is assembled

From the side

coils. I use my 18 Ga needle and stick it into the airhole as I tighten the posts. While the one coil looks off in this pic for some reason, it is an optical illusion. They are raised off the deck ~1mm

Getting rewrapped. I left the legs out and circled the leg I will wrap, and drew a line to how it wraps around the coil and into the corresponding juice channel. One leg in red, the other in black. I have awesome MS Paint skillzzzzz. I do soak the legs before forming and I use my needle to shape them and insert them into the channels.

 

[awj03130]

Reporting with good news!


Vapdivrr and sandt38.. I really combined both of your ideas here.I rebuilt with the vertical coils and x-wicking. Oh, and I reworked the airflow with the removable base idea from vapdivrr.

I figured out how to properly drill the airholes on the Aqua clone:

1. I removed the base, wrenched off the bottom knurled but on the positive post, which I found out is actually attached to a top insulator and is the screwhead for the positive post.

2. When I removed the knurled nut, there is a long z-shaped pin with a brass base (seen when the base cap is removed) that protrudes through a delrin insulator cap and the hole where the positive knurled but was. I removed this, leaving only the last delrin insulator. I put a set of needle nose pliers down the hole where the positive post was and just lightly pushed the insulator out. As it turns out, the top of the insulator is sealed from the bottom with another o-ring and is basically a moulded airflow channel that distributes airflow from the holes in the metal.

3.After removing this, I bored out both airholes on the side of the deck to 1/16" and did the same with the airholes on the top of the deck directly below the coils.

4.I sanded out the airflow channels in the delrin insulator cap and stuck everything back together.


Sorry bout the selfie in the mirror, but what do you guys think?

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[Starlyte2]

I've heard of an issue with these and their airflow, in that the delrin ring inside the air intake part is sometimes badly aligned...

I don't have one, and am waiting on the posting, at the end of the month, for a Russian. Much simpler set up

 

[awj03130]

Oh yes. My kfl+ clone is by far my favorite tank I've ever owned for an all-arounder.

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[sandt38]

Reporting with good news!


Vapdivrr and sandt38.. I really combined both of your ideas here.I rebuilt with the vertical coils and x-wicking. Oh, and I reworked the airflow with the removable base idea from vapdivrr.

I figured out how to properly drill the airholes on the Aqua clone:

1. I removed the base, wrenched off the bottom knurled but on the positive post, which I found out is actually attached to a top insulator and is the screwhead for the positive post.

2. When I removed the knurled nut, there is a long z-shaped pin with a brass base (seen when the base cap is removed) that protrudes through a delrin insulator cap and the hole where the positive knurled but was. I removed this, leaving only the last delrin insulator. I put a set of needle nose pliers down the hole where the positive post was and just lightly pushed the insulator out. As it turns out, the top of the insulator is sealed from the bottom with another o-ring and is basically a moulded airflow channel that distributes airflow from the holes in the metal.

3.After removing this, I bored out both airholes on the side of the deck to 1/16" and did the same with the airholes on the top of the deck directly below the coils.

4.I sanded out the airflow channels in the delrin insulator cap and stuck everything back together.


Sorry bout the selfie in the mirror, but what do you guys think?

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Looks great. Glad to be of some help.

 

[muzichead]

I purchased my Aqua because it is one of the best flavor producing atomizers on the market today. It's what it was designed for. If you are looking to produce massive clouds with it, you are barking up the wrong tree, IMO... It is a give and take type of thing, I have found usually you can have one or the other. I haven't seen anyone that has gotten both out of the same device, (any device). There is always some type of comparison on both sides. Mine has outstanding flavor and decent vapor. It produces vapor close to the VA Cyclone I have, but the VA Cyclone lacks the flavor from the Aqua... It is close, but just not there. The clouds from the VA Cyclone are thick and dense, but again, lacks the crisp flavor. They both, IMO, serve their purpose as I use both daily. As I said before, it is a give and take when comparing an RBA to an RDA...

 

[sandt38]

I just can't get the Aqua to produce the flavor everyone claims it has. It dishes out decent vapor clouds, but my flavor is muted. I wish I could honestly say I love it like everyone else seems to, but I just can't. Nothing about it is better than my Russian, except for it's appearance. It is honestly not far off from getting shelved for the time being.

 

[awj03130]

I entirely agree with you sandt38...

I only got it to produce clouds by drilling out everything, and even after, my kayfun produces nearly the same density and volume. The flavor was pretty good, but not as good as a dripper, and was so hot that it was basically unbearable (especially in the AM). Actually, I believe I may have melted the insulator. How does that happen in a tank? Especially one that floods! And with my kayfun clone, I have nothing but good things to say. It doesn't leak, it produces excellent flavor, it doesn't get scorching hot on the outside, and it holds a decent amount of juice.

I've found that I can run through one tank in the Aqua in less than an hour. It's sort of defeats the purpose of a tank. I shouldn't have to refill while driving.

I even agree with you on the finish. The only thing that I can say for the Aqua is it looks excellent and it has a finish that matches many mods.

Kayfun killer? Not at all. Not even with 5 builds and modification. Maybe its just because its a clone, but if the real deal all is anything close, I prefer to stick with any kayfun varietal.

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[sandt38]

Mine is real, and still not as impressive as my Russian. FWIW if you like the Kayfun clone, the real Russian (and I assume Kayfun, still waiting for mine darn it), you should buy the real deal. I have the Tobecco Kayfun (it is really a Russian clone, however) and while it does a great job, the reale McCoy is, IMO, worth the extra money. YMMV of course.

 

[muzichead]

I messed around with a few different setup's in my Aqua clone and found it, (or I), didn't like subΩ at all... It seems to shine in the 1.0-1.2Ω range. When I had it setup @.5Ω it was just too hot a vape for me. Even .8Ω was a little too warm. It also went through liquid quite fast also. I think mine is setup @ 1.07Ω at the moment and has been for almost 2 weeks now. It just has the crispest flavor of any tank I have vaped. I would say the flavor is very much on par with my drippers. I can almost get through an entire day now if I bottom fill it. Actually it is getting through the entire day because I am also vaping a new Reo mini 2.1 w/ VA Cyclone on top, so that is getting most of the attention at the moment, but a week ago I was getting through most of the day!!! I still am at a loss here and in other threads when people say they are disappointed it doesn't make clouds!! It was originally designed to give better flavor than most tanks out there, not clouds... But, to each his own...

 

[vapdivrr]

Reporting with good news!


Vapdivrr and sandt38.. I really combined both of your ideas here.I rebuilt with the vertical coils and x-wicking. Oh, and I reworked the airflow with the removable base idea from vapdivrr.

I figured out how to properly drill the airholes on the Aqua clone:

1. I removed the base, wrenched off the bottom knurled but on the positive post, which I found out is actually attached to a top insulator and is the screwhead for the positive post.

2. When I removed the knurled nut, there is a long z-shaped pin with a brass base (seen when the base cap is removed) that protrudes through a delrin insulator cap and the hole where the positive knurled but was. I removed this, leaving only the last delrin insulator. I put a set of needle nose pliers down the hole where the positive post was and just lightly pushed the insulator out. As it turns out, the top of the insulator is sealed from the bottom with another o-ring and is basically a moulded airflow channel that distributes airflow from the holes in the metal.

3.After removing this, I bored out both airholes on the side of the deck to 1/16" and did the same with the airholes on the top of the deck directly below the coils.

4.I sanded out the airflow channels in the delrin insulator cap and stuck everything back together.


Sorry bout the selfie in the mirror, but what do you guys think?

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hey buddy sounds a little better and at least vapable now but I don't get the hot part? I even read another post below stating how hot theirs was also. with my real aqua (and maybe it has something to do with it) doesn't get hot at all, I mean absolutely no heat. although I don't consider myself a chain vapor, I am here right now puffing on this device like 5 major pulls in a row and no heat just very very slightly warm. there must be a common denominator in this heat because I have heard of this a few times in other threads. it seems like some detect a lot of heat while others (like me) feel non at all. this heat would surely affect flavor and vapor as well. and its not like my builds are high resistances, my main set up in the aqua is about .4Ω. I have on occasions felt more heat then others in certain builds and most of the time I believe it was due to either to much cotton or when my juice control is to far open, this may cause slight flooding so my coil is working overtime. wish I had the answers but all I know is the aqua shouldn't run that hot.

 

[awj03130]

True, vapdivrr, I think it is personal experience.

I am DEFINITELY a chain vaper and I find that the Aqua (clone, at least) gets very hot in comparison to the kayfun.



I think it probably has to do with a couple of things:

- that the aqua is dual coil and usually running a much lower resistance (probably the biggest one)

- that the tank is smaller (the juice absorbs some heat*)

- that it is a full metal atty (conductivity is improved with the metal so we might just think it's hotter)



I really do believe the sub-ohm factor plays a part because I usually run my kayfun on a VTR from 10.5-15 watts. If my calculations are correct, assuming a nominal voltage of 3.7 volts and a resistance of 0.4 ohms, the Aqua would be experiencing something close to 34.23 watts.

Given all these things, I truly believe that the Aqua is a much hotter vape. To fairly compare, though, one would have to build a kayfun down to 0.4 ohms, though... Leads me to believe it is personal bias when I think about it.


*To note, the Aqua gets hot enough on me that when I use a high VG juice in it, the heat changes the viscosity of the VG and I start to have issues with flooding

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[vapdivrr]

True, vapdivrr, I think it is personal experience.

I am DEFINITELY a chain vaper and I find that the Aqua (clone, at least) gets very hot in comparison to the kayfun.



I think it probably has to do with a couple of things:

- that the aqua is dual coil and usually running a much lower resistance (probably the biggest one)

- that the tank is smaller (the juice absorbs some heat*)

- that it is a full metal atty (conductivity is improved with the metal so we might just think it's hotter)



I really do believe the sub-ohm factor plays a part because I usually run my kayfun on a VTR from 10.5-15 watts. If my calculations are correct, assuming a nominal voltage of 3.7 volts and a resistance of 0.4 ohms, the Aqua would be experiencing something close to 34.23 watts.

Given all these things, I truly believe that the Aqua is a much hotter vape. To fairly compare, though, one would have to build a kayfun down to 0.4 ohms, though... Leads me to believe it is personal bias when I think about it.


*To note, the Aqua gets hot enough on me that when I use a high VG juice in it, the heat changes the viscosity of the VG and I start to have issues with flooding

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wow that's some serious heat. and yes that's about right my set up is doing over 30 watts, but seriously it runs quite cool. im receiving an aqua clone here in a couple of days just to look at for someone, it will be interesting to compare both. imo i doubt the extreme heat is caused by the hi wattage dual coils, i believe its more clone device related somehow.

 

[iowajosh]

You get heat from having a giant wick next to your coil. I packed the deck with the X wick and it got hot.

 

[vapdivrr]

definity one reason for sure because you do need some good airflow going thru there and to much wick does restrict the flow of air