Hi all,
Been vaping for about eight months now but this my first post. Have been using Kanthal A1 on VW devices and mech mods till now. I wanted to switch to a Temprature control device and while reading up on these , I came across a you tube video by Ron Kaufman
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He has brought two negative aspects of using pure Nickel wires which I think are relevant. One Nickle tends to leech at high temps and second that it tends to produce Nickel carbonyl which is a carcenogenic substance. I read a few things about Nickel carbonyl and found that at 30ppm it was certainly fatal, and even a significantly lower dose of 3ppm caused death in 50 per cent of a group of test animals. Further, when you breathe it in, it decomposes, giving you a dose of carbon monoxide and depositing some nickel on your lungs. If you survive the first few hours, the nickel causes a form of pneumonia, coughing, breathlessness, extreme fatigue. This lasts for several days, often resulting in cardiovascular or renal failure and death. This surprising molecule is not very human friendly in others ways too: its vapours can autoignite and there have been studies as to whether small quantities of nickel carbonyl, inhaled over time, can cause lung cancer.
So now the Questions:
(a) Is Nickle safe? The Ron Kaufman's video and my research tends to say otherwise.
(b) Has any of the companies producing Temp Mods, prior to insisting on using only Ni200 type wires, undertaken any study on what happens to nickle when heated?
(c) Any other wire which can be used in TC Mods safely?
Ps. I do find a change in flavour if I use Nickel Chromium wires and pure Nickle Wires in my VW mods.
Thanks in advance
Been vaping for about eight months now but this my first post. Have been using Kanthal A1 on VW devices and mech mods till now. I wanted to switch to a Temprature control device and while reading up on these , I came across a you tube video by Ron Kaufman
().
He has brought two negative aspects of using pure Nickel wires which I think are relevant. One Nickle tends to leech at high temps and second that it tends to produce Nickel carbonyl which is a carcenogenic substance. I read a few things about Nickel carbonyl and found that at 30ppm it was certainly fatal, and even a significantly lower dose of 3ppm caused death in 50 per cent of a group of test animals. Further, when you breathe it in, it decomposes, giving you a dose of carbon monoxide and depositing some nickel on your lungs. If you survive the first few hours, the nickel causes a form of pneumonia, coughing, breathlessness, extreme fatigue. This lasts for several days, often resulting in cardiovascular or renal failure and death. This surprising molecule is not very human friendly in others ways too: its vapours can autoignite and there have been studies as to whether small quantities of nickel carbonyl, inhaled over time, can cause lung cancer.
So now the Questions:
(a) Is Nickle safe? The Ron Kaufman's video and my research tends to say otherwise.
(b) Has any of the companies producing Temp Mods, prior to insisting on using only Ni200 type wires, undertaken any study on what happens to nickle when heated?
(c) Any other wire which can be used in TC Mods safely?
Ps. I do find a change in flavour if I use Nickel Chromium wires and pure Nickle Wires in my VW mods.
Thanks in advance
):- Nickel carbonyl (Ni(CO)4) is formed by the reaction of nickel metal (Ni) and carbon monoxide (CO) at low to moderate temperatures between 30°C and 150°C (that's 82°F to 350°F). Most of TC mods are from 100°F to 600°F. So all TC mods have a maximum temperature above the threshold of Nickel Carbonyl creation. Thus it should, to my mind still be an issue. Further, Nickel carbonyl is extremely toxic and extreme care must be taken whenever conditions exist that may produce it are encountered. It is carcinogenic and may prove fatal to humans at very low levels. The short term toxic limit for exposure to nickel carbonyl is 0.04 vppm. OSHA has defined the permissible exposure limit (PEL) of nickel carbonyl to be 1 ppb (part per billion) averaged over an eight-hour work shift. This is 1000 times lower than the odour threshold. Therefore it is imperative that precautions are taken whenever conditions that may produce nickel carbonyl are suspected. I think, that companies have not really addressed this issue otherwise it would have been in BOLD letters on the covers of the merchandise as an achievement.
