Are these 2 diacetly / diketone free...?

[Hotwire]

Just putting this out here as you some of guys will probably know, google is coming up with nada, nothing from either manufacturer's website either

Just got my order of 13th floor elevapors 'django' and G2's 'Mr oh Cookie face'

They smell awesome but am worried they have tons of diacetyl / diaketones in....

Wondering if anyone knows...they smell so buttery I'm a bit anxious....

Really want to get started with both fo them they smell so good, but better safe than sorry...

 

[sparkky1]

Just putting this out here as you some of guys will probably know, google is coming up with nada, nothing from either manufacturer's website either

Just got my order of 13th floor elevapors 'django' and G2's 'Mr oh Cookie face'

They smell awesome but am worried they have tons of diacetyl / diaketones in....

Wondering if anyone knows...they smell so buttery I'm a bit anxious....

Really want to get started with both fo them they smell so good, but better safe than sorry...

There's usually a good reason why you don't see lab certificates from either, more like "ISO claen room free" if your goal is to know if your juice is DAP free why would you not look up the dozens of lab certified juice manufactures ?
Omerta, Strawberry, Dolce, Custard, Electronic Cigarette Flavors, E Cigarette Refill Vapor

 

[Gauntlgrym]

for the most part (always gonna be exceptions) if a vendor doesn't post results, then they are not D/AP free.
vendors know that eliquid that is D/AP free is a GOOD thing. if they had GOOD results, they would post them for marketing purposes. if the liquid is D/AP free, then why wouldn't they advertise that?

 

[Oberon75]

This is circling around Facebook right now. Any truth to this?

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[Gauntlgrym]

truth to that.......yes and no.

first off, you just can't make blanket statements like "there is 110 time more diacetyl in conventional cigs", why?
because not everyone is using the same liquid, and the same set up. what you vape on and what liquid you vape can make this true or false.

as for being 95% safer, that's pretty true. however, maybe staying away from D/AP can make it like 97% safer. *shrug*

this is from an article posted a little while back:
"Many vapers make the following points in defence of DA/AP: Firstly, that in over 7 years of popular usage of e-cigarettes no-one has suffered Broncholitis Obliterans, and secondly that smoked tobacco typically contains more diacetyl than those e-liquids in which it is found.

However, this line of reasoning falls down. While it is true that DA has not caused fatal Bronchiolitis Obliterans in vapers, there is great uncertainty about its contribution to disease amongst smokers. Firstly, COPD and emphysema are conditions whose causes are not fully understood; it’s likely that DA has at least some contributing factor to both (As stated by Farsalinos at GFN). Secondly, it’s likely that Bronchiolitis Obliterans is actually underdiagnosed. A positive diagnosis requires invasive biopsies, and so most smoking related respiratory conditions are diagnosed as COPD or emphysema"

source: Confused about diacetyl? You should be | Vaping.com Break Away Magazine

 

[Rkb56]

Here is what they don't tell you. I'm a paramedic and we've learned a fair ammount about ecigs and the danger. Yes. There are chemicals in ecigs. How ever we don't know how long until they reach toxic or cancer causing levels. For all the scientists know it could be one month of vaping, or 100 years of vaping. There just isn't enough research yet.

 

[curiousJan]

Here is what they don't tell you. I'm a paramedic and we've learned a fair ammount about ecigs and the danger. Yes. There are chemicals in ecigs. How ever we don't know how long until they reach toxic or cancer causing levels. For all the scientists know it could be one month of vaping, or 100 years of vaping. There just isn't enough research yet.

As a paramedic, how have you "learned a fair amount about ecigs and the danger"?

What chemicals, specifically, are in ecigs?

Personally, I couldn't care less if 100 years of exposure results in toxicity. That's longer than my lifespan. Yes, more research is needed, but removing informed choice from adult users until research is 'complete' is unreasonable and unconscionable when so many would return to the known danger of combustible cigarettes.

I quoted 'complete' because anyone reasonably informed knows that science is ever-expanding. Research will never truly be complete. There is always more to learn, more to study.

I choose niquids that are D/AP free. How do I know that? I make my own, and I buy flavors from a company that has demonstrated their concern for my freedom of choice regarding those substances. I would hope that other consumers would exercise their own right to be informed and choose, but their choice to remain willfully ignorant should have no impact on my choices as a consumer. That said, niquid manufacturers that knowingly use D/AP in their products and do not disclose that fact should be held accountable. Manufacturers that do not test should disclose that fact, as well.

 

[Mbiker04]

This was a retread article with misleading information once again, no doubt Big Tobbacco is still secretly still pushing this Junk Science as they are loosing millions a day. The Tobbacco lobby is one of the strongest in the country. Check out this video

 

[Noble Gas]

If you'd like to know exactly what's up with diacetyl, check this out:

The Truth About Diacetyl - Mt Baker Vapor

 

[sparkky1]

truth to that.......yes and no.

first off, you just can't make blanket statements like "there is 110 time more diacetyl in conventional cigs", why?
because not everyone is using the same liquid, and the same set up. what you vape on and what liquid you vape can make this true or false.

as for being 95% safer, that's pretty true. however, maybe staying away from D/AP can make it like 97% safer. *shrug*

this is from an article posted a little while back:
"Many vapers make the following points in defence of DA/AP: Firstly, that in over 7 years of popular usage of e-cigarettes no-one has suffered Broncholitis Obliterans, and secondly that smoked tobacco typically contains more diacetyl than those e-liquids in which it is found.

However, this line of reasoning falls down. While it is true that DA has not caused fatal Bronchiolitis Obliterans in vapers, there is great uncertainty about its contribution to disease amongst smokers. Firstly, COPD and emphysema are conditions whose causes are not fully understood; it’s likely that DA has at least some contributing factor to both (As stated by Farsalinos at GFN). Secondly, it’s likely that Bronchiolitis Obliterans is actually underdiagnosed. A positive diagnosis requires invasive biopsies, and so most smoking related respiratory conditions are diagnosed as COPD or emphysema"

source: Confused about diacetyl? You should be | Vaping.com Break Away Magazine

under diagnosed
/ diagnosis requires invasive biopsies ? since when 1979 ? it's funny how all theses pulmonologist specialist cant distinguish the difference between COPD
Bronchiolitis Obliterans (BO): HRCT findings in 20 patients
Diagnosis and treatment of constrictive bronchiolitis - F1000Prime Medicine Reports - F1000Prime

 

[Rkb56]

As a paramedic, how have you "learned a fair amount about ecigs and the danger"?

What chemicals, specifically, are in ecigs?

Personally, I couldn't care less if 100 years of exposure results in toxicity. That's longer than my lifespan. Yes, more research is needed, but removing informed choice from adult users until research is 'complete' is unreasonable and unconscionable when so many would return to the known danger of combustible cigarettes.

I quoted 'complete' because anyone reasonably informed knows that science is ever-expanding. Research will never truly be complete. There is always more to learn, more to study.

I choose niquids that are D/AP free. How do I know that? I make my own, and I buy flavors from a company that has demonstrated their concern for my freedom of choice regarding those substances. I would hope that other consumers would exercise their own right to be informed and choose, but their choice to remain willfully ignorant should have no impact on my choices as a consumer. That said, niquid manufacturers that knowingly use D/AP in their products and do not disclose that fact should be held accountable. Manufacturers that do not test should disclose that fact, as well.

A fair ammount would come from my 2 years of training, over 100 clinical hours, human anatomy 100-300, chemistry, biology, field work, and personal experience. I haven't seen any case of bronchogenic carcinomas from a frequent vaper. I wasn't bashing or saying we should ban e cigs at all. If you want to learn more you can message me. I'd be happy to teach you a little bit. I think we should probably just not blow up the forum.

 

[curiousJan]

A fair ammount would come from my 2 years of training, over 100 clinical hours, human anatomy 100-300, chemistry, biology, field work, and personal experience. I haven't seen any case of bronchogenic carcinomas from a frequent vaper. I wasn't bashing or saying we should ban e cigs at all. If you want to learn more you can message me. I'd be happy to teach you a little bit. I think we should probably just not blow up the forum.

You stated "Yes. There are chemicals in ecigs." I asked what chemicals. If you know something that I/we don't, please share. That's information that I'm certain we'd all like to know. I'm not talking about blowing up the forum, just full disclosure.

 

[jensy]

A fair ammount would come from my 2 years of training, over 100 clinical hours, human anatomy 100-300, chemistry, biology, field work, and personal experience. I haven't seen any case of bronchogenic carcinomas from a frequent vaper. I wasn't bashing or saying we should ban e cigs at all. If you want to learn more you can message me. I'd be happy to teach you a little bit. I think we should probably just not blow up the forum.

Well Rkb56 that is a heck of a lot of good training you have there in your 2 years. Most doctors can't really say either way and they have trained for how long?

 

[Rkb56]

Well Rkb56 that is a heck of a lot of good training you have there in your 2 years. Most doctors can't really say either way and they have trained for how long?

Doctors typically train for 4. It's 4 years of basic schooling before you can apply to med school. If a doctor would like to specialize however that can 4 to 6 more years. I don't think I compared myself to a doctor though. I'm not sure where you're coming from here?

 

[sparkky1]

A fair ammount would come from my 2 years of training, over 100 clinical hours, human anatomy 100-300, chemistry, biology, field work, and personal experience. I haven't seen any case of bronchogenic carcinomas from a frequent vaper. I wasn't bashing or saying we should ban e cigs at all. If you want to learn more you can message me. I'd be happy to teach you a little bit. I think we should probably just not blow up the forum.

Do you know what the difference is between bronchogenic carcinomas and Bronchiolitis obliterans ?

 

[Rkb56]

You stated "Yes. There are chemicals in ecigs." I asked what chemicals. If you know something that I/we don't, please share. That's information that I'm certain we'd all like to know. I'm not talking about blowing up the forum, just full disclosure.

Yeah... Pg and vg? Other than that you can't find conclusive evidence. It depends on flavorings etc.

 

[curiousJan]

Here is what they don't tell you. I'm a paramedic and we've learned a fair ammount about ecigs and the danger. Yes. There are chemicals in ecigs. How ever we don't know how long until they reach toxic or cancer causing levels. For all the scientists know it could be one month of vaping, or 100 years of vaping. There just isn't enough research yet.

Yeah... Pg and vg? Other than that you can't find conclusive evidence. It depends on flavorings etc.

So you're backing away from your bold implication of toxicity and carcinogenic properties? Because those were the root of my inquiry.

 

[jensy]

Doctors typically train for 4. It's 4 years of basic schooling before you can apply to med school. If a doctor would like to specialize however that can 4 to 6 more years. I don't think I compared myself to a doctor though. I'm not sure where you're coming from here?

My point is most doctors do not know whether or not ecig are bad or not. A lot of doctors actually encourage peple to use them. But you are saying with your two years worth of training (and I bet that was not two full years of training on ecigs)that you do know what is wrong with ecigs.

 

[sparkky1]

 

[Hotwire]

If you'd like to know exactly what's up with diacetyl, check this out:

The Truth About Diacetyl - Mt Baker Vapor

Thanks for this. I feel a lot better to know I may be getting some Diacetyl etc but it is much lower than the amounts in my cigarettes.

So if I was getting it anyway and am now getting 110% less, that is enough for me to be put at ease. I'm a light vaper too, probably 4ml a day max, so while I will be still using these 2 MAX VG liquids that do probably have it in them, I will be cutting them down with PG anyway and not be worrying about vaping it.

Thank you.