Aspire Atlantis, Kanger Sub-Tank or other?

[Norrin]

I, like many others, have been a little excited about the upcoming sub ohm cleoros and am thinking of buying one. Having watched a few reviews though I am a bit less excited although I haven't totally excluded the possibility of buying one.
But what is the point in the Kanger? From what I have seen the Aspire kicks its .... as a clearo and if you want to go for rebuildable then surely a proper rebuildable will be better than this?
So any thought on this or should I just buy a rebuildable and if so what are the best low cost (can't spend silly money no matter how much I like something) atty?

 

[jbnuke]

My favorite rba is an orchid v2. Should be able to get one for about 30 bucks. Dual coil setup. It can be a pain to get the wick right but has awesome airflow and monster vape when set up well. Im running mine at .7 ohms... havnt ventured lower yet

 

[edyle]

I, like many others, have been a little excited about the upcoming sub ohm cleoros and am thinking of buying one. Having watched a few reviews though I am a bit less excited although I haven't totally excluded the possibility of buying one.
But what is the point in the Kanger? From what I have seen the Aspire kicks its .... as a clearo and if you want to go for rebuildable then surely a proper rebuildable will be better than this?
So any thought on this or should I just buy a rebuildable and if so what are the best low cost (can't spend silly money no matter how much I like something) atty?

You seem to be saying the subtank is not a proper rebuildable.
Is there some way/reason for saying that?

As far as I can see the subtank seems to be a proper rebuildable with a replaceable build deck.

sounds alot like this rebuildable I see on fasttech:

•Stainless steel 510 drip tip
•Bottom sliding air flow control ring
•4 sizes of air holes: 1mm*3pcs, 1.5mm*3pcs, 2mm*3pcs, 2.5mm*3pcs
•Air inlet way: With positioning function air inlet, positioning 3 same size air holes when rotate
•2 coil heads: One of the coil heads is rebuildable
•510 connection (copper center pin)
•22mm diameter
•Height without drip tip: 53.7mm

 

[rgerber]

Orchid II. Fantastic vape....easy build.

 

[Double Helix]

If you're trying to crunch money then definitely get a rebuildable (KFL, Lemo, Orchid). 100' of Kanthal is like $6 and organic cotton is $2-5/bag. That's enough supplies to build coils for the foreseeable future. Then consider that all the rebuildables are $10-15 less than the Atlantis. Will it perform better than the Atlantis? Well that's the true question there. I haven't used one, so I wouldn't know.

 

[twassell]

The coils for the atlantis are expensive....I would recommend a kayfun ES 3.1 or a kayfun lite. KFL has a little more airflow than 3.1 which can be tighter. Very easy deck to build on, probably the easiest there is. Flavor blows any clearo out of the water.

 

[p7willm]

Rebuilding your own will give you a wider variety in the builds you use. It will also give you dry hits, gurgling, and pleasure/pain when it comes time to rebuild.

The coil is the easy part. I can do 8 wraps around my screwdriver all day and come up with 8 wraps and not 9. The resistance will be real close and with ceramic tweezers I can get a decent looking coil.

Wicking is another matter. I have had an atty with the perfect build in it. Everything was fine and then I replaced my wick and it got dry hits, or gurgled, or both. I thought I use the same amount of cotton and put it in the same place but one wick worked fine and the other was .....

When its right you feel good with the sense of accomplishment. When you can not get it right after 3 trys you feel like you need a cigarette.

I have an Atlantis and you can have it more airy than a kayfun. Vapor production is greater. Flavor, for me, is about the same. Flavor is a personal thing, some people say they can taste new cotton but I can not. The major thing for me will be when the time comes to replace the build. For the Atlantis just screw out the old and in with the new head. For my rebuildables get out the cotton and prepare for a little work.

Heads cost more than Kanthal and cotton but my time is worth something too. Even If I get the cotton right the first time all the time it still takes longer to wick than screw in a head.

It is easier to fill with juice than a kayfun, a good thing because those big clouds take big juice. I have one that I filled the fill port with aquarium sealer cause it would not stop leaking. I go through the take the top off, fill it, just catch the threads, turn it over and cover the airholes, screw the top on, blow out the juice that leaked. With the atlantis turn it over, unscrew it, fill it, screw it back on, vape. Don't even think about touching your build without getting juice all over.

The first couple of times building is fun but now I find myself with a bunch of stuff that needs new wicks, filling, etc. and I do not want to mess with them.

I have one Atlantis and after a few weeks of living with it I will decide how it is for me. I probably will have some stuff to build lying around but on those nights when the first 2 builds do not work I will probably skip the third and screw in a new head on an atlantis.

 

[Asbestos4004]

I've been using kayfuns since they came out. Almost 2 years. They're fantastic atomizers for what they are. That being said, anyone who says the kayfun blows the Atlantis out of the water flavor wise has never used the Atlantis. The Atlantis is pretty unreal for a factory built clearo. Amazing flavor and vapor. Its the real deal. I bought one out of curiosity and was pretty much shocked at the performance.
My kayfuns have all been shelved and replaced by orchids. V2s and V4s. If cost is an issue, I'd recommend the orchid. If you don't want to rebuild, get an Atlantis. I'm not sure how long the coils will last but I know my first coil is still going strong after about 30-35 tanks of max VG. Both the Atlantis and the Orchid perform better than the kayfun when it comes to airflow, vapor production and the ability to handle high VG juice. I think they're both way better for flavor too....but that is subjective

 

[Vicshalls]

Rebuilding your own will give you a wider variety in the builds you use. It will also give you dry hits, gurgling, and pleasure/pain when it comes time to rebuild.

The coil is the easy part. I can do 8 wraps around my screwdriver all day and come up with 8 wraps and not 9. The resistance will be real close and with ceramic tweezers I can get a decent looking coil.

Wicking is another matter. I have had an atty with the perfect build in it. Everything was fine and then I replaced my wick and it got dry hits, or gurgled, or both. I thought I use the same amount of cotton and put it in the same place but one wick worked fine and the other was .....

When its right you feel good with the sense of accomplishment. When you can not get it right after 3 trys you feel like you need a cigarette.

I have an Atlantis and you can have it more airy than a kayfun. Vapor production is greater. Flavor, for me, is about the same. Flavor is a personal thing, some people say they can taste new cotton but I can not. The major thing for me will be when the time comes to replace the build. For the Atlantis just screw out the old and in with the new head. For my rebuildables get out the cotton and prepare for a little work.

Heads cost more than Kanthal and cotton but my time is worth something too. Even If I get the cotton right the first time all the time it still takes longer to wick than screw in a head.

It is easier to fill with juice than a kayfun, a good thing because those big clouds take big juice. I have one that I filled the fill port with aquarium sealer cause it would not stop leaking. I go through the take the top off, fill it, just catch the threads, turn it over and cover the airholes, screw the top on, blow out the juice that leaked. With the atlantis turn it over, unscrew it, fill it, screw it back on, vape. Don't even think about touching your build without getting juice all over.

The first couple of times building is fun but now I find myself with a bunch of stuff that needs new wicks, filling, etc. and I do not want to mess with them.

I have one Atlantis and after a few weeks of living with it I will decide how it is for me. I probably will have some stuff to build lying around but on those nights when the first 2 builds do not work I will probably skip the third and screw in a new head on an atlantis.

I am with you. I know rebuilding is cheaper, but for me I waist more juice with all the leaking and tearing thing apart because I did not get the wick right that I waste more money than I save. I like the elkronogine. I have had it leak twice but I know what I did wrong on one and lost an o ring on the other. I just need things to work.

 

[daftlush]

Rebuilding your own will give you a wider variety in the builds you use. It will also give you dry hits, gurgling, and pleasure/pain when it comes time to rebuild.

The coil is the easy part. I can do 8 wraps around my screwdriver all day and come up with 8 wraps and not 9. The resistance will be real close and with ceramic tweezers I can get a decent looking coil.

Wicking is another matter. I have had an atty with the perfect build in it. Everything was fine and then I replaced my wick and it got dry hits, or gurgled, or both. I thought I use the same amount of cotton and put it in the same place but one wick worked fine and the other was .....

When its right you feel good with the sense of accomplishment. When you can not get it right after 3 trys you feel like you need a cigarette.

I have an Atlantis and you can have it more airy than a kayfun. Vapor production is greater. Flavor, for me, is about the same. Flavor is a personal thing, some people say they can taste new cotton but I can not. The major thing for me will be when the time comes to replace the build. For the Atlantis just screw out the old and in with the new head. For my rebuildables get out the cotton and prepare for a little work.

Heads cost more than Kanthal and cotton but my time is worth something too. Even If I get the cotton right the first time all the time it still takes longer to wick than screw in a head.

It is easier to fill with juice than a kayfun, a good thing because those big clouds take big juice. I have one that I filled the fill port with aquarium sealer cause it would not stop leaking. I go through the take the top off, fill it, just catch the threads, turn it over and cover the airholes, screw the top on, blow out the juice that leaked. With the atlantis turn it over, unscrew it, fill it, screw it back on, vape. Don't even think about touching your build without getting juice all over.

The first couple of times building is fun but now I find myself with a bunch of stuff that needs new wicks, filling, etc. and I do not want to mess with them.

I have one Atlantis and after a few weeks of living with it I will decide how it is for me. I probably will have some stuff to build lying around but on those nights when the first 2 builds do not work I will probably skip the third and screw in a new head on an atlantis.

Agree with everything said, 100%.

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[AquaLung22]

I'd recommend the Billow tank by Eciggity/ehPro.. it's a great RTA design - pretty easy to build on, dual positive post. Massive airflow and great thick vapor like an RDA, real good flavor. 5mL capacity I believe. Its like the Orchid v4 I think but better.
.... Its real new. I grabbed 1 over a Lemo because it's dual coil.

My next purchase will be an Atlantis for sure though, I've tried it and I'm super impressed! Will be my 1st Aspire tank; I've been a Kanger fanboy for a long time, still use my Aerotank2.
But I have a feeling I might end up using my Atlantis more than my Billow- out of ease, & performance

 

[AquaLung22]

Actually though, I'll have to see reviews on the Subtank before I'd recommend an Atlantis over it though. And try the Subtank. I think the ability to use their kanger coils, and build your own coils on it; is a really COOL idea!

So yeah, I'll probably wait to see how well the new coils work on that Subtank. If they are as good or better than the Atlantis, than I'll probably grab it instead.
... man vaping has come so far in the past couple years!

 

[InfinityzeN]

A love my Atlantis, the thing blows out way more vapor then you would think from a clearo. I like the Subtank to but it is rather... big. The Atlantis I can use on the go since it is physically about the same size as a Nautilus. Subtank is thicker and almost an inch higher, as well as weighing more. The raw size and weight has limited the Subtank to "at home" use.

Since I switched over to a glass drip tip and replaced my last coil, that weird slightly harsher taste/feel from the Atlantis has gone away.

If you are looking for something not sub-ohm, there is the Delta 23 with its 1.4 ohm triple coils. Doesn't go as high wattage or vapor wise as the Atlantis and Subtank but it still chunks some impressive vapor.

 

[KC33]

I have both the Atlantis and the Subtank. I like the form factor of the Atlantis but the Kanger has better flavor. I got the Atlantis first and liked it but when I received the Kanger the Atlantis is now collecting dust.

Plus the material being used in the Atlantis is getting a lot of bad press. I read that Aspire is going to switch to cotton but there was no release date.

If I had a chance to do it over I would only have the Kanger Subtank.

 

[erikbal]

I've had the Atlantis since Tuesday. I've been using it on aspires cf sub ohm battery. I must say I'm pretty impressed with it. It takes clearos with factory coils to another level. I upgraded from a Nautilus MVP2 combo. If I had one complaint it would be that I wish it held a little more. Coming from the Nautilus I'm used to one tank full covering a whole day but the Atlantis has to be filled a couple times. Small price to pay though for the experience it provides.

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[twall]

The Subtank seems to kind of be a transitional piece. Someone who is used to Kangertech products, but is evolving. I gotta say, although I've kinda moved past clearos, the Subtank has tickled my interest.

It also could be completely useless. It could be niether a good clearo, nor a good RBA, in their trying to be everything for everyone. Doesn't make me stop wanting one. Of the clearo guys, I like Aspire better. But the RBA head really has me interested.

 

[milescadre]

Have to say, after using both, I find this;

On the stock .5 coils, I find that the atlantis works better at higher wattages. I go to 42 on my atlantis and love it. And boy does it chuck the clouds.

But for flavor and more reasonable wattages, I stick to the subtank. Infact, I currently use my subtank with its .5 coil on my hammer of all things and love it. Flavor is nice, and a nice warm vape. I also find that going past 35w on the subtank is a wee bit too much.

But, the subtank also allows the rba, so it turns it into a kangfun (trademarking that term ). personally this appeals ot me cuz I dont have ot mess with rebuilding, but when/if vapeapocolypse comes, I'm ready with a epic tank I love.

Overall though, it comes down t o what you do with your tank, and what you like. The aspire is nice, but I dont enjoyi t nearly enough on a mech (I think its a result of the airflow being a bit airy.) But the subtank, for me, is perfect.

 

[AquaLung22]

Great replies guys. Has anyone tried rebuilding the RBA part of the Subtank yet? How does it compare to a real RTA/RBA?

 

[wrxified]

I'm just going to cut and paste my response from another thread I responded to in a different forum as it all seems to apply to your dilemma.

I bought the Atlantis a month ago and love it. It actually made its way into my carry bag which used to be 3 Kayfun tanks and Taifun GT. I've been leaving the Taifun at home. To me I moved to the Kayfun's over the Aspire Nautilus primarily due to flavor and the ability to build the device as I saw fit.

So my Kayfun's quickly took a back seat to the Aspire Atlantis simply because you can't get the same flavor from a Kayfun that you get from the Atlantis. Sure you can build a beastly .5 ohm coil and hope your deck insulator doesn't melt but it's not always about sub ohms for flavor. To me it's the ability to draw in enough juice. The Kayfun just doesn't keep up.

So I get my Kanger Sub tank on Friday. Actually bought 2 and then broke my first Pyrex tank that night. FYI to those with the Sub tank, they break relatively easily which is to be expected given it's glass. But mine dropped from waste level on the carpet with the bottom of the mod hitting the carpet first. The glass tank didn't shatter but had a single crack from top to bottom. Anyway so back to my story. I bought the two tanks. Loaded one with Khlorine and the other with Elvis Stash. Both delicious juices from Vapetrik. The experience is glorifreakintorious. It's the closest to dripping you'll ever get with a tank. I actually went into Mister-E's yesterday to buy 2 more tanks. I was hoping they would have replacement glass but no luck. Will keep the broken one in the cupboard until Kanger starts providing replacement glass.

So here are my thoughts after a couple days. While it seems slightly better on it's ability to run on lower watts and produce the same flavor, I don't notice a massive difference between the Kanger and the Aspire. They're both really good and get into the dripper range for taste and vapor. The biggest upside the Kanger has on the Aspire is the tank size, 2 options for pre-built atomizers (The 1.2 ohm pre-built is surprisingly good as well), and the ability to rebuild. To be honest, tank size is the biggest advantage of all. Taking the Atlantis with you filled with your favorite ADV is like using a race car with a half gallon fuel tank as your daily driver. You're going to run out of fuel.

I don't see me using the RBA deck much with these Kanger's. Maybe if I run out of atomizers and find myself in a bind. It's just a question of how much better can it get. That plus it looks like the prebuilt attys should be about one of the easiest ones to recycle that I've ever seen.

 

[twall]

I like the responses, too. However, it seems not many have took the plunge with the rebuildable head. Appears to be very Kayfun. Could it actually replace a Kayfun, though?

How much does the larger RBA head cut down on juice capacity?