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[EDO]

My favorite RDAs are the Veritas and the Marquis. Both work with vertical coils and are similar to gennies in that way. So, I figured if I bore out my Kraken and it should perform just like my Veritas but it will have a tank. Even though after the modification the kraken had a similar draw to the Veritas/Marquis it just didn’t taste nearly as good. I tried multiple cotton builds but not one of them had the Kraken performing like the Veritas in terms of flavor. I was about to toss my Kraken into the drawer where all my atties go to die…..but I took out the cotton and inserted two mesh wicks. The vape was just spectacular. I never had such great results with mesh. The funny thing was I was expecting a horrible metallic taste but even my first hit tasted excellent.

Now the problem is …. I don’t know why I got such good results because my current build has the following characteristics which I had never attempted on a genny before:
1) dual coil build
2) all touching coils
3) more than 8 wraps…..the coils I have are 2.4mm 13 wraps each with 28awg wire.
4) Very Hollow flexible wick

I was able to replicate my result by taking out the build and doing a similar one with dual coils/26awg wire/10 wraps/2.4mm.
I don’t know why I got such good results. I am an old time genesis user but for the last year I am running only cotton builds on everything. All my genies were collecting dust. I never remembered my gennies performing this well. What did I do differently that made such a huge difference?

 

[CrazyCory564]

I tried cable on my Kraken clone with a mesh top, wasn't a fan. I'm a cotton guy. Just got my Origen v2 clone from gearbest, and I'm in love. I only have a single coil in there right now, but I'm going to try out the dual coil deck a little later. I'm still using cotton, but the holes are big enough for air to balance the pressure so it wicks like a champ. Even if I use 3mm coil with a fat piece of cotton, there is a thumbscrew in the deck that you unscrew to use as a fill hole, and I can just leave that out for air to balance if the cotton takes up the entire hole for it.

I was using a kraken clone as my daily driver along with my kayfun clone, but this thing has retired that for the moment. Way easier to build (specifically the coil staying in place and being easy to tighten with a good connection), wicks better imo, has dedicated holes for cotton/silica and mesh; overall great in my mind. My only complaint is how tightly the base of the deck and the afc fit together

 

[EDO]

Hey Cory....I was in the same boat as you two weeks ago. I had my genesis atomizers set up with cotton wicks. I really thought mesh wicks were a waste of time. For almost two years I was a mesh wick/genesis user. So its not like I am new to mesh wicks or genesis atties. But this bored out Kraken with mesh wick set up blows all my RTA/RDAs set up with cotton out of the water. I like the set up so much that I got a new genny....like you I got the Origen v2. It is waiting in the mail box at home. I will report on it once I set it up.

 

[CrazyCory564]

Hey Cory....I was in the same boat as you two weeks ago. I had my genesis atomizers set up with cotton wicks. I really thought mesh wicks were a waste of time. For almost two years I was a mesh wick/genesis user. So its not like I am new to mesh wicks or genesis atties. But this bored out Kraken with mesh wick set up blows all my RTA/RDAs set up with cotton out of the water. I like the set up so much that I got a new genny....like you I got the Origen v2. It is waiting in the mail box at home. I will report on it once I set it up.

I got a clone, not authentic. However it is amazing, and it blows my Kraken (also clone) out of the water,

I am planning on using mesh, but the cable gave me iffy ffeelings towards ss wicks. As of now the cotton wicks fast enough to keep up easily (I make it think on one end and fat at the other, some call it an "auto-dripper", and it is as good if not better than anything I have tried before.

I still use my kayfun as well since it gives me a completely different flavor, but when it comes to geni's, nothing is better than the Origen v2. So easy to work on, functions great, best threads ever, etc. an that's only the clone from gearbest.

I thought I was in love with my Kraken; I can assure you that you will like this way more.

By the way, the Origen v2 has dedicated holes for mesh and cotton; it may not mean much, but it could be one reason I'm having such success with cotton at the moment

 

[snow blind]

Man... we need to have you try a properly set-up Satt22, Rocket, Z-atty or Pulse G (epic - i need one of these, bad) if you think the Origen gen is that good I finally got my hands on one this weekend and while it's nice... it's most def more of a dripper vape than traditional genisis. It hits almost exactly like my Origen RDA. The huge dual wicks/coils and massive airflow defeat the entire genesis profile. (just my opinion) The only difference i get is more heat from the reduced chamber... but not more flavor... just a "cleaner" more "upfront" genisis flavor. I can see why you like the Origen V2 if you had a Kraken... they are both very much "dripper-esq" gennis that focus on vapor vs flavor.

 

[EDO]

I got the Tobeco Origen v2 clone yesterday and I really like it. I think the flavor is fantastic and It is a cloud maker. This is my type of genesis.... it gives the option of doing single coils or dual coils. And you can go from a very tight draw to RDA type of draw. Every atty I have is set up dual coils and I like the origen v2 with its fully open draw. When fully open Its draw is exactly like the Marquis.

Just as side note... lately Tobeco has really upped its game. I think they have surpassed HCigar in terms of CQ.

 

[CrazyCory564]

Man... we need to have you try a properly set-up Satt22, Rocket, Z-atty or Pulse G (epic - i need one of these, bad) if you think the Origen gen is that good I finally got my hands on one this weekend and while it's nice... it's most def more of a dripper vape than traditional genisis. It hits almost exactly like my Origen RDA. The huge dual wicks/coils and massive airflow defeat the entire genesis profile. (just my opinion) The only difference i get is more heat from the reduced chamber... but not more flavor... just a "cleaner" more "upfront" genisis flavor. I can see why you like the Origen V2 if you had a Kraken... they are both very much "dripper-esq" gennis that focus on vapor vs flavor.

Well, when you consider I use geni's as "drippers with resevoirs" with an "auto-dripper" setup, it makes sense why I like it. I don't want to drip all of the time, but I want a dripper vape sometimes. It gives me completely different notes and vapor density,

By the way, I just looked up the SAT-22. There really isn't a difference to how it is set up. I'm using a single coil with the vertically stacked airholes right now and it looks exactly the same, maybe the coils/wick holes are just a hair farther apart from each other. I don't think it looks any better when it comes to performance. Plus you could always not actually use the reducing deck chamber pieces if you really didn't like it. Only difference would be that air could escape easier to aid with wicking, granted you keep it upright for the most part. a little tilt for your mesh wicks are fine, but resting sideways would be a big no no.

If I am going for pure flavor however, I usually stick with my Kayfun 3.1 clone. We all know Kayfuns are known for flavor, and boy this one sure doesn't let down.

 

[Chelonian]

SS mesh, single wick gennys with somewhat restricted airflow, like a DID are the flavor kings.
Dont get me wrong, I like my Russians and my Kayfuns, but there isnt anything that I have vaped that can touch a properly set up single wick genny for taste.
The Spheroid comes the closest.


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[sedition]

This is exactly what I'm hoping for when mine arrives - an Origen V2 RDA with an even bigger juice capacity Once you fall in love with the Origen V2's airflow, you just lose interest in all other drippers on the market.

 

[EDO]

I have an Authentic Cobra and that was my main vaping atty for over a year. The Cobra has a 1mm air hole. I used to think that the Zen atties were way to open of a draw. But once you get used to a looser draw it is almost impossible to go back. I haven't touched the Cobra in over year and half... maybe more. The Kraken has a ton of airflow compared to the Cobra and I had to bore it out to be able to us it again. It is funny that now I don't even think the tighter draw atties taste better, just the opposite, I think today's RDA's blow old school gennies out of the water in every way. But my modified Kraken and now the Origen V2 (both with mesh wicks) are on top of my list in terms of flavor. I am still astonished how well these mesh wicks are performing.

 

[CrazyCory564]

I'm really tired of hearing "correctly set up". I am not a fan of mesh from personal experience; If I get better flavor with cotton, so be it. The only difference is how the heat is distributed,

As for flavor, geni's and my kayfun give completely different flavor. In my Kayfun, I'm getting more of the bakery and cinnamon notes, with apple on the exhale. Onmy geni, the bakery flavors are more hidden, and I get a lot of very clean, crisp green apple with natural apple sweetness.

Personally I like the kayfun more, but none is better than the other; they are completely different and can't really be compared by saying one is better than the other.

 

[Chelonian]

I am sorry, but while taste is subjective, the way that a genny that was made for SS mesh is set up is not.
Should you like a different setup than what it was built for, more power to you, but dont be surprised if others think that you simply never got SS mesh right i begin with.
Why?
Because we probably went through what you are saying as well.
I know I did. And I was wrong.
No biggie either way.


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[jwj63]

Correctly setup is exactly the way you enjoy the most. When talking about Gennys I tend to use 'traditional' for a mesh setup with a higher resistance, not touching, coil.

I have a Sat22, Hellfire micro mega and RocketR that are setup traditionally. I enjoy them a lot. I have two Origen v2 Gennys, both of them are setup with dual micro coils and mesh wicks, they come out at about 0.6 ohms. I vape those with the airflow wide open. I also enjoy these a lot. Two very different vapes, neither of which I would consider wrong. I choose mesh wicks because I like the way they taste and I like the low maintenance I get from them. I've tried cotton in the Origennys, It works great, I simply prefer mesh. I think the strength of Norberts device is how flexible they are, it's two or three devices in one and you can set it up to suit your mood.

Use what you like and use it the way that works best for you, ignore anyone that tells you you're doing it wrong.

I also like dippers and have few, that's another story...

 

[MsLoud]

I'm interested....with the origen v2 Genny, which mod would one recommend? Not really a fan of DNA as I haven't used one long enough to have an educated opinion.

I see a lot of mechs used but again, haven't had a lot of experience outside of my Reo and ProVari.

Thanks!

 

[jwj63]

Your provari would work like a champ, just coil it above 1 ohm if you have a classic Provari. If your thinking about a mech you can get a GP PAPS v3 in SS for $99 onsale at Domo right now. That's a really good deal on a great mechanical mod. Do your homework before you jump into the world of mechs, learn about battery safety. Buy the best batteries you can find, make sure they are not fakes. The 'new' AW 18490's are a perfect partner for a 18490/500 mech, RTD vapor has a terrific reputation as the place to get authentic AW batteries.

 

[Chelonian]

Jw is giving solid advice there
And the Paps for $99 is insane


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[CrazyCory564]

I am sorry, but while taste is subjective, the way that a genny that was made for SS mesh is set up is not.
Should you like a different setup than what it was built for, more power to you, but dont be surprised if others think that you simply never got SS mesh right i begin with.
Why?
Because we probably went through what you are saying as well.
I know I did. And I was wrong.
No biggie either way.


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That is completely false. The Origen v2 has dedicated wicking holes for cotton, thus it is in fact meant for cotton as well as mesh.

It's more of the fact that you have to tilt it for it to wick correctly, which I'm not a fan of.

 

[sedition]

It's more of the fact that you have to tilt it for it to wick correctly, which I'm not a fan of.

That's with mesh right, not cotton?

 

[Chelonian]

Corey

I seem to have come across the wrong way.
First, I specified that I was speaking of attys that were made for mesh.

Secondly, if you like cotton, go for it, as others here have already said.

Third, I have gone through the whole cant get mesh to work better cotton thing. Stayed like that for more than a year, then tried again and got it right.
So you see, I am trying to help, not pick at you. I wish that it hadnt seemed otherwise.

From my side, I am just trying to help someone that appears to be in the same spot that I once was. I shall no longer do so, as I don't want any sort of conflict like this.

So apologies.

Sedition

A genny can be built to perform without tilting. It just takes finding the right wick and series of gauge that works for you


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[Highwayman1224]

Jw is giving solid advice there
And the Paps for $99 is insane


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I'm really happy I saw his post last night cause after seeing it I quickly ordered my paps! I can't wait to get that beauty!