Balancing flavor/nic level/vapor

[jmvallee]

Need some advice from the experts here on balancing my e-liquid.

I chain smoked light menthol analogs for the past 10 yrs so my taste buds/sense of smell aren't the greatest.

I have some plain 48 & 36 mg PG, VG, some Lorann and Cappella, and some flavored PG 24mg eliquids. The premade e-liq is too weak in the taste dept for me.

I LOVE lots of vapor but I also want strong taste and high nic level.

Before I got my 510, I briefly had an LTV9 and some vanilla catomizers. They smelled and tasted good and had lots of vapor.

I'm waiting for one of the suppliers to get in some 48 VG - seems eveyone I look at has supply problems.

If you know a US supplier who does have plain 48mg VG in stock... pls let me know.

I have tried 2/3 48mg and 1/3 VG as a 24mg base then experiment adding flavors. But I have to add so much, the nic level and vapor production suffers.

Do you think this is the answer - plain VG 36 or 48, then cut with straight flavoring?

Or would you start with some already flavored high nic VG juice and just add more flavoring to get a stronger taste? (seems like I would have to start with at least a 36 mg if I'm going to add flavoring to it - the more I add the more diluted the nic level would be.)

Any ideas/suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

 

[Scubabatdan]

Need some advice from the experts here on balancing my e-liquid.

I chain smoked light menthol analogs for the past 10 yrs so my taste buds/sense of smell aren't the greatest.

I have some plain 48 & 36 mg PG, VG, some Lorann and Cappella, and some flavored PG 24mg eliquids. The premade e-liq is too weak in the taste dept for me.

I LOVE lots of vapor but I also want strong taste and high nic level.

Before I got my 510, I briefly had an LTV9 and some vanilla catomizers. They smelled and tasted good and had lots of vapor.

I'm waiting for one of the suppliers to get in some 48 VG - seems eveyone I look at has supply problems.

If you know a US supplier who does have plain 48mg VG in stock... pls let me know.

I have tried 2/3 48mg and 1/3 VG as a 24mg base then experiment adding flavors. But I have to add so much, the nic level and vapor production suffers.

Do you think this is the answer - plain VG 36 or 48, then cut with straight flavoring?

Or would you start with some already flavored high nic VG juice and just add more flavoring to get a stronger taste? (seems like I would have to start with at least a 36 mg if I'm going to add flavoring to it - the more I add the more diluted the nic level would be.)

Any ideas/suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Download my ejuice calculator for excel or use the online ejuice calculator This way you can shoot for you target nic mg with just flavor or with a little VG. So to make 10ml of 28mg juice from 48mg with 20% flavoring.

You would use the following ratios.


PG or VG with nicotine 5.8 ml or 116 dropsPG
VG (no nicotine) 2.2 ml or 44 drops
Water 0.0 ml or 0 drops
Flavoring(s) 2.0 ml or 40 drops


Hope this helps
Dan

 

[jmvallee]

Download my ejuice calculator for excel or use the online ejuice calculator This way you can shoot for you target nic mg with just flavor or with a little VG. So to make 10ml of 28mg juice from 48mg with 20% flavoring.

You would use the following ratios.


PG or VG with nicotine 5.8 ml or 116 dropsPG
VG (no nicotine) 2.2 ml or 44 drops
Water 0.0 ml or 0 drops
Flavoring(s) 2.0 ml or 40 drops


Hope this helps
Dan

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!
I was trying to do this in my head last night... could not figure it out...

The excel ss is perfect!

 

[RIMP]

I have 20ml of 36mg/ml nic sol. How much 0 nic do I add to this to get 6mg/ml? Also can you give me any easy formula to use?

 

[Scubabatdan]

I have 20ml of 36mg/ml nic sol. How much 0 nic do I add to this to get 6mg/ml? Also can you give me any easy formula to use?

36 / 6 = 6
6 * 20 = 120 ml
120 - 20 = 100

So 100 ml of no nic juice added to 20ml of 36mg nic juice would yield 120ml of 6mg nic juice.

Dan

 

[jsimpson71]

I was hesitant about DIY liquids because I figured I'd be wasting lots and lots of niquid. Then I found your calculator and it bumped me over the edge...I think I'll try for myself now that this makes so much more sense. Thank you!

 

[Scubabatdan]

I was hesitant about DIY liquids because I figured I'd be wasting lots and lots of niquid. Then I found your calculator and it bumped me over the edge...I think I'll try for myself now that this makes so much more sense. Thank you!

Glad to help PM me if you have any questions.
Welcome to the group!
Dan

 

[Katfishlake]

The excel calc is EXCELlent!

 

[Scubabatdan]

The excel calc is EXCELlent!

Thanks, it should be noted that the original online version was created by Tod Muller I just put it into an Excel format, but I did have to write all of the formulas! LOL
Dan

 

[Angela]

If you want to make mixing simple, have you had a look at intellicig's new unflavoured liquid - Krystal, and their 'dilution' liquid - ECOmix? (link here: ECOpure E-Liquid : Electronic Cigarettes, Electric Cigarette, E-Cigarettes, E-Cig, E-Liquid )

Basically, Krystal is a 36mg VG unflavoured, and ECOmix takes the place of the added PG/VG/distilled water/alcohol and takes away any problems of getting the consistency right. (Of course, there's nothing preventing you using the ECOmix with any other e-liquid either)

All you would need to do is take the Krystal and add ECOmix and flavouring to dilute to required strength.

I haven't tried it yet, but I plan on doing so in the very near future!

 

[Scubabatdan]

If you want to make mixing simple, have you had a look at intellicig's new unflavoured liquid - Krystal, and their 'dilution' liquid - ECOmix? (link here: ECOpure E-Liquid : Electronic Cigarettes, Electric Cigarette, E-Cigarettes, E-Cig, E-Liquid )

Basically, Krystal is a 36mg VG unflavoured, and ECOmix takes the place of the added PG/VG/distilled water/alcohol and takes away any problems of getting the consistency right. (Of course, there's nothing preventing you using the ECOmix with any other e-liquid either)

All you would need to do is take the Krystal and add ECOmix and flavouring to dilute to required strength.

I haven't tried it yet, but I plan on doing so in the very near future!

Hey thanks for the link, but converting pounds to dollars, 500ml would cost me $383.28 before shipping cost. cough... cough...

It may not be "pure" LOL but I can get 1070ml for 78.00 28mg + 25.00 shipping = $103.00 total from:
E-Liquid.cn

Dan

 

[Angela]

Yes - but that's in bulk from China..... hardly comparing apples and apples!

The link I gave was to the standard 20ml bottles, not to the 'trade' section which you appear to be quoting from: not everyone wants to buy in bulk (and in any event, not everyone could buy in bulk as those quantities cannot be sold legally to individuals in the EU... they are only available to companies)

Yes, you happen to be in the USA, but not everyone on this forum is. In any event, intellicig's products are availalable in the US.... it's just that this liquid was only released a couple of days ago and so isn't in stock in the US yet.

I was only trying to be helpful to other forum members who may be interested in all the options available.... I certainly am not forcing you to buy it.

 

[Robert]

I also, like your calculator- great job. I want to know what percent flavoring do most people like? What is a good starting point?

 

[Scubabatdan]

Yes - but that's in bulk from China..... hardly comparing apples and apples!

The link I gave was to the standard 20ml bottles, not to the 'trade' section which you appear to be quoting from: not everyone wants to buy in bulk (and in any event, not everyone could buy in bulk as those quantities cannot be sold legally to individuals in the EU... they are only available to companies)

Yes, you happen to be in the USA, but not everyone on this forum is. In any event, intellicig's products are availalable in the US.... it's just that this liquid was only released a couple of days ago and so isn't in stock in the US yet.

I was only trying to be helpful to other forum members who may be interested in all the options available.... I certainly am not forcing you to buy it.

Whooooo reel back the claws, I ment no offense. I just posted a link I thought anyone would be able to buy from. I just didnt think that high of a price was reasonable when you look at the long haul of buying. If I bought it only 20ml at a time the shipping would kill me over time. I prefer to buy in the 250ml at a time for personal use. I am by no means a company or seller/reseller. But I see no reason why you would want to spend that much when you and a couple of friends could go in together and buy 1 liter cheap. I did not know those quantities cannot be sold legally to individuals in the EU. My apologies for assuming so, I do appreciate the link, as I am sure others do also. And I viewed your posting as informative not as you trying to force me to buy somthing. It would be easy to mix if you bought only their products but obviosly people do not do that so we are still back to trying to figure out mg strengths and percentages. It is nice to see other companies producing eliquids other than china. Thank you for the posting this companies information. I personally wont spend that much, but hey that is just me. I am sure their are others in different contries that it would be cheaper for. I am not trying to derail you attempts at informing them, I just didnt know why you would want to spend that much, now I do.
Thanks
Dan

 

[Scubabatdan]

I also, like your calculator- great job. I want to know what percent flavoring do most people like? What is a good starting point?

With total flavoring I usually start at 5-10%, it depends on the flavor as some are stronger than others.

So...
For 10ml of liquid 1 flavor 10-20 drops or .5 - 1ml

For 10ml 5 flavors...
Flavor 1 2-4 drops
Flavor 2 2-4 drops
Flavor 3 2-4 drops
Flavor 4 2-4 drops
Flavor 5 2-4 drops

Yes I have one I use 5 different flavors in

It all depends, the one I use 5 flavors in I use a total of 40 drops (approx 2ml), or 20% of the mix. Always start low and then add to it.

Hope this helps
Dan