with the atomizer in front of cartridge, the e liquid is going against the flow of air leaving the cig to reach the atomizer. If the cartridge, with a metal casing, that would conduct electricity, was attached to the battery and the atomizer attached to the cartridge, the fluid would be going with the flow of air leaving the cig to reach the atomizer
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You may not realize this.. but the air doesn't flow through the reservoir section of the cartridge. It flows around it. (Take a long hard look at the cartridge design and I think you'll see what I mean). The design of the atomizer is such that there is actually a low pressure zone generated at the bridge-to-cartridge interface (venturi effect), and that does help to draw liquid out of the cartridge (cartomizer designs excluded). It's more technologically advanced than it may look.
In a perfect world, a built in "plunger" type of process integrated into a standar cart/atty/battery setup, ie; a 510 would be the perfect engineering. With the "plunger" opening, and dripping a single drop of juice, "on demand" directly on to the "Atty" coil. No waste, best flavor possible, etc. etc. etc.
At home, size of the apparatus isn't a real concert to me. But on the go, I want something that is small enough to fit into my pocket, no bigger than a 510. I want it to easily carry enough juice, and be able to deliver it, without fussing with constant refills all night long.
A friend of mine who is great with modding most anything, has been working on such an engineering mod. He expects to have a working proto-type within a week, or so. The plunger process is already functional. Integrating it all into a one piece sleeve that fits in between a standard 510 cart and atty, and properly sealing the cart reservoir is what he is currently working on. The two vent holes on the 510 cart have been the biggest road block for his re-engineering, but I'm confident he'll find a solution.
At home, size of the apparatus isn't a real concert to me. But on the go, I want something that is small enough to fit into my pocket, no bigger than a 510. I want it to easily carry enough juice, and be able to deliver it, without fussing with constant refills all night long.
A friend of mine who is great with modding most anything, has been working on such an engineering mod. He expects to have a working proto-type within a week, or so. The plunger process is already functional. Integrating it all into a one piece sleeve that fits in between a standard 510 cart and atty, and properly sealing the cart reservoir is what he is currently working on. The two vent holes on the 510 cart have been the biggest road block for his re-engineering, but I'm confident he'll find a solution.
I pulled one apart, and it looks to me like the juice-soaked cart filler is actually surrounding the heating element, with the air flowing through an opening in the center. If the heating element were just in the bottom of the cartomizer, with the filling on top of that, I would agree with you.
Once again, the vapor does NOT flow through the filler.. in either a cartomizer or in a 3-piece design.
Huh? I said:
Then you said:
I didn't say it flowed through the filler.
I'm also not positioning myself as an expert on the matter. As I mentioned, I've pulled apart a grand total of ONE cartomizer.
Then you said:
I didn't say it flowed through the filler.
I'm also not positioning myself as an expert on the matter. As I mentioned, I've pulled apart a grand total of ONE cartomizer.
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Vapor draws off the heated atty, through vent holes on the side of the cartridge near the atty, into two hollow sleeves outside the cartridge reservoir, and then out through the end of the mouth piece.
I understand that.. but you also said "If the heating element were just in the bottom of the cartomizer, with the filling on top of that, I would agree with you." From a flow perspective.. that's not how a 3-piece works.
How it is mechanically done varies from model to model (single passage, concentric tubes, etc..)... but conceptually, you've got it!
I'm not talking about a cartridge, I'm talking about a cartomizer.
still works the same way quasimod!
Only difference is rather than the cart/atty being two seperate pieces, ie; 510 model, they are one piece. But there are still vent holes near the atty that the vapor draws through to get to the mouthpiece at the end of the cart!
Only difference is rather than the cart/atty being two seperate pieces, ie; 510 model, they are one piece. But there are still vent holes near the atty that the vapor draws through to get to the mouthpiece at the end of the cart!
Maybe you guys can correct my assumptions, then. The cartomizer that I pulled apart seemed to work something like this:
Heating element towards the middle of the long axis, in the center of the tube.
Filler surrounding the heating element.
Airflow through THE CENTER of the tube, inside the heating element, inside the filler.
Am I missing something, here? Did you guys dissect a different kind of cartomizer? How did it work? What did it look like? Got any pics or diagrams?
Heating element towards the middle of the long axis, in the center of the tube.
Filler surrounding the heating element.
Airflow through THE CENTER of the tube, inside the heating element, inside the filler.
Am I missing something, here? Did you guys dissect a different kind of cartomizer? How did it work? What did it look like? Got any pics or diagrams?
FYI: The airflow goes "next to" the heating element on the KR808D-1.. not "through" it....
I figured you knew how the air and vapor flow basically works on the KR808D-1 (not all cartomizer designs are the same BTW)... but am not sure you know how it works on the 3-piece. Hence the comments.
I figured you knew how the air and vapor flow basically works on the KR808D-1 (not all cartomizer designs are the same BTW)... but am not sure you know how it works on the 3-piece. Hence the comments.
Yeah, I've got the basics of that figured out. You're right: there's a lot more going on in there than meets the eye.
To the OP dyob:
So, does the design of a cartomizer make more sense to you?
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