Basic info on mechanical mods please.

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Nick N

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I agree that the MVP is the go to box for simplicity and price (I have one), but I personally would prefer the SS Vamo if I had to pick one. I like to tinker and am not looking for simple. Bought the MVP for the Wife because it was simple. [emoji41]

MVP pros:

$40 shipped with iClear 30 or 2 x iClear 16
MicroUSB charge port
Pass through capability (charge cell phone)
Ohm checker
Variable Watt/Voltage (5 volt / 11 watt max)

MVP cons:

Not as powerful as Vamo v5 (in my experience)
Not sure of ohm limit, had a 0.9 ohm coil fire just fine.

Vamo v5 pros:

Replaceable 18650/18350 batteries
Stacked 18350 capability
Ohm checker
Variable Watt/Voltage (6 volt / 15 watt max)

Vamo v5 cons:

Purchase separate batteries
Purchase separate charger
Light saber look in 18650 mode (non-Mukey)
Limited to 1.2 ohms
 
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Sorry, being silly.
However, referencing regulated mods as a step up up as if that were prima facie is, as I'm sure you know, the start of many long and pointless fights. That's why I put up a silly gif instead of stating and explaining my disagreement. ;)

tl;dr: An MVP is probably the best answer for the OP.
 

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Sorry, being silly.
However, referencing regulated mods as a step up up as if that were prima facie is, as I'm sure you know, the start of many long and pointless fights. That's why I put up a silly gif instead of stating and explaining my disagreement. ;)

tl;dr: An MVP is probably the best answer for the OP.

I got it. I just wasn't sure about the chick reference. No matter. I didn't realize people fought over the history of e-cigs. I didn't mean to say regulated mods are a step up now, but to go from a homemade box to a Darwin was a thrill for many people.
 

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I got it. I just wasn't sure about the chick reference. No matter. I didn't realize people fought over the history of e-cigs. I didn't mean to say regulated mods are a step up now, but to go from a homemade box to a Darwin was a thrill for many people.

The chick was a reference to me being female and us both having cat pictures.... like I said, silly picture. :)
 

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The reason I'm trying to avoid the MVP is I like to carry spare batteries if I'm away for a length of time and it's a innokin svd that has just let me down. I've heard that vamo is reasonable quality stuff so that's why I'm looking at the 1 I posted. I don't need pass through charger, I don't do battery or ohm checking yet, so just simple vv/vw setting is my thing for now.
 

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The chick was a reference to me being female and us both having cat pictures.... like I said, silly picture. :)

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Mmm this is starting to look very un inviting now. It's starting to look like too much fussing about. Thanks everyone for the info, I'll start looking for something reliable and controllable.

you may want to consider looking into the SVD by innokin/Itaste... its VV/VW, built well and affordable...
 

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The reason I'm trying to avoid the MVP is I like to carry spare batteries if I'm away for a length of time and it's a innokin svd that has just let me down. I've heard that vamo is reasonable quality stuff so that's why I'm looking at the 1 I posted. I don't need pass through charger, I don't do battery or ohm checking yet, so just simple vv/vw setting is my thing for now.

You might consider looking at the Sigelei Zmax. I have an older one (a V2?) and a Vamo V2. The Sigelei is much better made and it concerns me that the Vamo is at V5 or something and people still post that the 510 threads are stripping.
 

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The reason I'm trying to avoid the MVP is I like to carry spare batteries if I'm away for a length of time and it's a innokin svd that has just let me down. I've heard that vamo is reasonable quality stuff so that's why I'm looking at the 1 I posted. I don't need pass through charger, I don't do battery or ohm checking yet, so just simple vv/vw setting is my thing for now.

just saw this post.... a SVD let you down?? I have put mine thru hell and its still going strong... 11 months worth...
 

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The reason I'm trying to avoid the MVP is I like to carry spare batteries if I'm away for a length of time and it's a innokin svd that has just let me down. I've heard that vamo is reasonable quality stuff so that's why I'm looking at the 1 I posted. I don't need pass through charger, I don't do battery or ohm checking yet, so just simple vv/vw setting is my thing for now.

The Groove II might be something to look at. There was a problem with the first version shorting and even though that has been corrected the mod has never gotten its favor back.

The Groove 2

ETA: Oops! I had this confused with something else. I thought it had replaceable batteries.
 
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Hi I'm looking into buying a mechanical mod. But my question is how do you control it? Basically how do stop it burning your liquid? I've had an innokin and learned how to turn it up and down, voltage,watts etc to get a good Vape but that has packed in now faulty button I think and after only about 5 months that's bad. So looking into the mech mods, maybe the kato hammer something like that.
any advice info will be welcome.
cheers.

Basically, you controll the mech mod by your coils.

A battery will output 4.2 volts on a freshly charged battery. Now, how much wattage is put out depends on how you have your coils set up. a small thick coil will allow more energy to flow through the coils, It also allows for more surface area on the wick. However, this draws more energy, and can be dangerous by letting the battery drain too fast, causing it to "vent". On the other side, if you use a smaller coil that is long, the wire will have too much resistance and not allow enough electricity to heat the coil properly, so you're left with little to no vapor.

The key to using a mech mod is knowing Ohms Law and using Ohms law calculator. I like around a .6 ohm coil on a pure mechanical setup using 26 gauge kanthal. This allows a decent ammount of vapor, and is well within the 30 amp rating of my battery. The pure nature of a mechanical requires you to use rebuildable atomizers. Because of that, simply buing a mechanical mod will not do. You pretty much need to build the coils and have a rebuildable atomizer (liek the kayfun as an example) or a dripper.

You will also need to buy the following:

Safe chemistry battery.... I wouldn't even recommend hybrids. I would stick with a 30A or higher.
Kanthal or nicrome of course
RDA (Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer) or RTA (Rebuildable Tank Atomizer)....
Ohm meter... this is an absolute must... especially if you're new to it. I highly suggest even pros use this just to be sure of any unforseen errors.
Wicking material... Cotton is highly preferred now, but you can still use silica or others.
Knowlege... read up on the subject highly before attempting this.
Patience... This is also a must. :)

In the end, you will have a very satisfying vape tailor made to your style. You don't have to cloud chase. With the knowlege you will gain, you will be able to see exactly what goes on behind an ecig, and can make a well educated decision on what to get in the future, and just how simple Ecigarettes truely are.

As an example.. I can walk into walgreens with a roll of kanthal and MAKE an ecig.. and walk out vaping if I truely wanted to McGyver it.

They sell batteries, aluminum can for the case, organic cotton, wire, Gycerine (VG) and Cigarettes (to make a nic solution... similar to making tea) wouldn't be pretty, but it could be done. Making the E-liquid would take a long time. Also, the Pharmacy may have the Propylene Glycol in their pharmacy, it doesn't need a perscription. I'd like to see someone do it. :)
 

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Mechs can be used safely especially with pre-built coils. There are many places on this fourm to find out about mech mod functionality and safety, simply by going to the right section or doing a google search that will lead you back here to ECF! :D
That being said, and MVP V2 is a great step up and will most likely provide a better more satisfying vape with your current toppers then a mech IMO.

There is a lot of information readily available right here at ECF right at your fingertips! Its always a good idea to study up on ohms law and battery safety because you really on both every time you vape!
 

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A good VV is a cross between a mechanical and an EGO type battery. It's usually the "evolutionary step" beyond an ego type. They offer more power than what an EGO style battery can provide. If you asked me a few months earlier, I would say that the Variable Voltage (VV) or varialbe wattage (VW) devices wouldn't do sub ohms, but that has changed in the last few months. Again, using the Ohms law calculator, you can plug in variables as you like. You only need two parts of the equasion, and it will calculate the other factors. For example, if you had a 3.7 volt ego with a 2.4 ohm coil, you'll see you're running roughly 5.7 watts at 1.5 amps.

A VV/VW device has this algorithm built in, and has a variable voltage/wattage regulator to supply that much power to your coils. These devices usually have their own wattage limits. for a while, the limit was 15 watts. The Vamo has that 15 watt limit, as well as a 5 amp limit. So, if you use the calculator linked above, you can plug in a few numbers and see, It's got a limit of 1.2 ohms, 15 watts, 6 volts, 5 amps. If you plugged a 1.2 ohm coil in, that's it's absolute lowest.

Now, all these numbers may not make much sense to you now, but with a little experimentation, you will see how it all comes together. I learned early on, that the coil reacts differently depending on how thick the wire is and how long the wire is. My normal was 32 gauge wire for a while. I used to rebuild my clearomizers by wrapping 32 gauge kanthal around 3mm silica. That usually gave me a 1.8 ohm coil and a decent vape. I used a vamo. I realized that at that setting, 10-12 watts was my sweet spot. I could replicate that with an ego twist type, since if you cranked the voltage up to 4.2 volts, it would provide the exact same vape. I could replicate that on a mechanical mod on a freshly charged battery, but when the battery starts going lower, the vape quality wasn't as good as the vamo. When I plugged in 3.7 volts into the calculator at 1.8 ohms, I noticed the wattage/amperage went down to 7.2. So, I came to the realization that I like 32 gauge wire at 10-12 watts.

Later, I bought a roll of 28 gauge kanthal and wrapped my 1.8 ohm coil on it. The wire was much thicker, and that made the coil almost twice as long. Running it at 10 watts wasn't poducing enough power to heat up alll that kanthal, so I had to up the wattage. Even at 15 watts, it still wasn't as good as the 32 gauge. So, my solution was to shorten the wire. I managed to shorten it as short as it could go on the vamo, which was enough to wrap a 1.2 ohm coil (the vamo's limit). The vape was much BETTER than the 32 gauge. IT had more vapor, and slightly warmer. I did have to up in the wattage to the 14-15 watt range, but it was good... batteries didn't last as long, but I had some ICR batteries that were rated at 7 amp limits.... which is more than the Vamo's 5 amp.


When I went into mechanical mods, I realized from the get go.... ICR batteries will not do for mechanical mods. IMR = safe chemistry, ICR = Unsafe chemistry, but usually had a longer "run time" known as MaH (Milliamp hours) With the IMR's now reaching the Milliamp hour ratings as the ICR, there's no need to play it un-safe. my ICR batteries are listed as 3100MaH, but they actually test at 2700MAH. The latest Sony VTC5 IMR batteries are rated at 2600MaH. So,t he option was a no brianer.. either continue to use the unsafe batteries, or go safe with the same run time. The Sony VTC 3, 4, 5 batteries are all rated for a 30 amp discharge. So, if I wanted to check the maximum rating I could do, I plug in 30 amp and 4.2 volts (on a fresh charge, that's what most lithiums put out) Theoretically, I could run at .14 ohm running 126 watts.... that is way too much, and I don't like pushing limits, but it did offer a wide range of options. I could use the 28 gauge setup at 1.2 ohms... but double the vapor if I wanted. When I tired that on an aqua, the coils heated up much faster and the vapor was much thicker and richer. two 1.2 ohm builds comes out to .6 ohm resistance for the atomizer. on a freshly charged battery running 4.2 volts, that puts it at almost 30 watts total battery output... (15 watts per coil) and is a 7 amp drain from the battery.. well within it's guidelines (VTC 4).

So, that just gives you a bit of what goes on behind the scenes of mechanical mods. It's a bit of math, a bit of tinkering, and a bit of experimentation to find out. But a variable voltage device did help me find a good basis on where to start off. With the current Variable voltage/wattage devices going up into the 50/100/150 watts, They'll offer as much or better performance than a mechanical mod. Vamo is a good starter and good priced.. it's what I started on. but it's limits are 15 watts. The IPV is another good one, offering 50 watts, but you have to unscrew the back to replace batteries.. which is not so convienent if you're "out and about". I'd personally stay away from the DNA type mods, since if you put the battery in backwards.. even just once for one second... you ruin the whole mod.
 

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    I've been using mechanicals for a long time now (years ... not months), and have used everything from simple cartomizers to RBA/RDAs on them. All that is needed is understanding some simple principles. First on that list is battery safety, and understanding the different battery chemistries. (it's not just the amp limit that needs to be considered) Then you need to learn how volts/ohms/amps/and watts work together to produce the power level you desire. And finally how the thermodynamics of your atomizer works to produce the vape you want. (power heats the coil, and air & liquid cool the coil)

    The one thing to always remember with a mechanical is that YOU are the safety feature.
     

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    Hi I'm looking into buying a mechanical mod. But my question is how do you control it? Basically how do stop it burning your liquid? I've had an innokin and learned how to turn it up and down, voltage,watts etc to get a good Vape but that has packed in now faulty button I think and after only about 5 months that's bad. So looking into the mech mods, maybe the kato hammer something like that.
    any advice info will be welcome.
    cheers.

    You can control it with a dropin kick module:
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    I have a Chiyou I recently got:
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    The bottom tube in the picture (the shortest tube) is the kick tube.
    If you want to use the kick you add in the kick tube to accomodate; If you want to go straight, you just take out the tube and the kick.


    Without the kick, you control the vape by adjusting the resistance of your coil yourself; basically you wrap your coil to suit your needs.
     
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