does it really help to keep the batteries on the charger for 8+ hours when you first get them? I never have so I wouldn't know but they seem fine if you just let them charge until the light changes to indicate its done charging, and they seem to be charged when they arrive.
battery conditioning?
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Meh. Go with whatever V4L tells you to do. They get to warranty them, not me.
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If they're lithiums then no. More frequent charges are better than full charges/full discharges. They don't need conditioning nor have memory unlike nickel. So if your pcc is nimh then the opposite applies that is for the pcc battery itself.
I was under the same impression until leaford made this comment...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/vapor4life/90239-new-new-xl-manuals-perfect.html#post1344242 leafords second comment on that page.
I'm thinking/hoping he just misspoke.
He probably means better switches and better li-ion cells, not implying that NOW they have li-ion cells and had something different before.
Of the 20+ 808 batteries I've disassembled over the last five months, not a single one has had anything else. And if you think about it - they couldn't. Not in that form factor, and certainly not in that voltage. (Hard to get 3.7v from a 1.2v cell, ya know? 
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I was curious about NiMh as a base for a mod and did some research. They have been used in packs of 4 1.2 volt batts for a nice 4.8volt mod. Pretty decent size in the hand too.
No commercial units use them that I know of.
No commercial units use them that I know of.
Thanks, sideburn, for starting this thread and letting me tag onto it.
I received my V4L Ultimatum Kit today with two regular batteries, plus two XL batteries and a PCC. The user guide states a mandatory 8 hours of preconditioning for all batteries, but also states that the batteries are fully charged once the chargers turn blue. One XL battery (on the wall charger) turned blue after 10 minutes, one of the regular batteries (on my USB charger) turned blue almost immediately. The PCC is still charging and red.
I don't want to void any warranties, but if these batteries are truly fully charged, I'd like to start vaping now. I guess the real questions are: Can I trust that the blue "charging complete" readings are accurate on the chargers? And does the V4L User Guide need an update (i.e., "charge for 8 hours or until the charging light turns blue")?
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I received my V4L Ultimatum Kit today with two regular batteries, plus two XL batteries and a PCC. The user guide states a mandatory 8 hours of preconditioning for all batteries, but also states that the batteries are fully charged once the chargers turn blue. One XL battery (on the wall charger) turned blue after 10 minutes, one of the regular batteries (on my USB charger) turned blue almost immediately. The PCC is still charging and red.
I don't want to void any warranties, but if these batteries are truly fully charged, I'd like to start vaping now. I guess the real questions are: Can I trust that the blue "charging complete" readings are accurate on the chargers? And does the V4L User Guide need an update (i.e., "charge for 8 hours or until the charging light turns blue")?
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SeaBrz, the batteries have all changed since they printed those instructions. You can now use them immediately, so go for it and enjoy You should have received them almost fully charged.
You should have received them almost fully charged.and ones the bottom PCC light starts to blink it is charged as well. It seems a bit weird because it goes back into charge mode then blinks and it seems random. What i think it is doing is blinking when it is done then it kicks back in again in "charge mode" then realizes the battery is charged and goes back into blink mode and just sits there doing this over and over but doesnt (or barely) drains the PPC battery.
I have tested this by plugging hte PPC into the usb port so it stays green and then let it charge a battery until the bottom light starts blinking.. and then unplugged the USB from the PPC and let it sit there with the cig battery on it and bottom led blinking for several hours, then I plugged the PPC back into the computer and the top light went right back to green.
I have tested this by plugging hte PPC into the usb port so it stays green and then let it charge a battery until the bottom light starts blinking.. and then unplugged the USB from the PPC and let it sit there with the cig battery on it and bottom led blinking for several hours, then I plugged the PPC back into the computer and the top light went right back to green.
Thanks for the quick reply and confirmation, Cari. I closed my eyes, picked a cart, and am throughly enjoying vaping my first carto (Virginia) with a glass of dry red wine. So far, vapor is much less than my 801 or 510, but the flavor and TH are incredibly better. I'm sure vapor will improve once I get the hang of the 808, but the other two factors are more important. Thanks again.
SeaBrz, the batteries have all changed since they printed those instructions. You can now use them immediately, so go for it and enjoy
They're still printing the silly instructions. Val's blog recently had the conditioning instruction too.
Ideally the first several charges should involve full discharge, full charge, full discharge. If that's done at the battery manufacturer, as all good batteries are, then it's entirely advisable to entirely ignore the instructions. Beyond that, it's better to charge more frequently than less. Li* hate being deep-cycled.
AFAIK - No one at V4L has any idea how a battery even works, let alone the chemistries involved, so ... One should definitely do their own research.
The provided instructions are ideal for a NiCd cell. Ten years ago, they'd have been entirely correct.
The batteries are lithium ion so they are not subject to memory deficiencies like nickel based batteries. Is it ok to charge a battery before it is totally dead? It is actually better for the battery's lifespan to be frequently charged rather than going through full deep charge cycles. They can not be overcharged either so once it reaches capacity, it does not continue charging. In other words, you can take it off the charger whenever it is convenient.
So are the batteries in the PCC ok, after all? A while ago, I got confused because my PCC says model 808d/808d1 but Nilius already had the model 808e or something like that. I wonder if it's possible that some PCCs are not able to 'fully' charge batteries?
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