Battery confusion...help?

[montanateri]

Being a newby, I bought some Jomo Lite 40w kits. It had the tank/coil & mod 2200mAh battery. Them I realized it was sub ohm with a .7 coil, and that it didn't work great unless you put high VG liquid in it. I have like 5 of these batteries & glassomizer. The glassomizers have adj air. Battery is NOT adjustable -- no way to adjust Volts or Watts.

I was having issues with the High VG, went back to high PG and all is well. I now have a Aspire Nautilus glassomizer with1.8 coils, man I love this thing! I've been using Evod Twist batteries VV and I love those. So all set.

But what about the other batteries? I spent good money on them, I want to use them. They are 510 threaded, not ego type thread. My nautilus screws on nicely and works on them. But it give about 1/2 the vape that the Nautilus gives on the Evod Twist 1600vv battery. WHY?

I get the whole ohm law thing and just know I don't want to get a watt reader, I don't want to fool with sub ohm at all as the high VG gums up my mouth/throat.

Why does the Aspire Nautilus work so good on a ego Twist II 1650 vv battery (I usually leave it on 4.8), but only gives half the smoke when I put the nautilus onto the 2200mah battery for the 40 Lite?? Isn't sub ohm only having to do with the coil? Why is it only 1/2 the vape production?

I'm over explaining as the last time I found a group to ask, they wanted me to read ohms law (why, I'm not going to sub ohm!) and then they said to adjust the wattage of the Mod battery.... it does NOT adjust. Then is was a vague "read our help articles and the higher wattage of the battery .... unless rebuild coils...." Definitely people who weren't talking to me as a newbie. I'm just a grandma, 35 year smoker, I just want easy... Is there something I don't know about that makes this 2200mah Mod battery only work with sub ohm tanks & coils? I've read so many articles and watched videos and can't find my answer, I read that a 2200mah battery isn't stronger, its just that it lasts longer between charges -- but then the other group made it sound like the battery was too strong, so that really confused me. I've been vaping for 3 years, I just want a simple operation, and I don't want these batteries to go to waste!

Anyone help the still confused sort of newbie??

 

[Baditude]

Basically, you're getting less vapor from the Nautilus tank because its a mouth-to-lung tank. Its restricted air flow and higher resistance coils will put out less vapor than a sub-ohm coiled tank with a looser direct-to-lung draw. So it comes down to airflow and coil temperature. Higher vg juice makes more vapor, too. 40 watts is way too many watts for the 1.5 ohm Nautilus coils... 10 - 15 watts would be ideal. That's the drawback of a single voltage battery; a variable voltage/wattage battery is more adaptable allowing the use of different ohm coils.

 

[Zaryk]

I think I understand what is going on here. You set the twist to 4.8v and the other mod is supplying the max the battery can output, which at full is probably 4.2v and will gradually go down to around 3.2v as the battery drains. You get less vapor because it is putting less voltage into the tank.

 

[montanateri]

Basically, you're getting less vapor from the Nautilus tank because its a mouth-to-lung tank. Its restricted air flow and higher resistance coils will put out less vapor than a sub-ohm coiled tank with a looser direct-to-lung draw. So it comes down to airflow and coil temperature. Higher vg juice makes more vapor, too. 40 watts is way too many watts for the 1.5 ohm Nautilus coils... 10 - 15 watts would be ideal. That's the drawback of a single voltage battery; a variable voltage/wattage battery is more adaptable allowing the use of different ohm coils.

So this 2200mah battery is just too many watts for the nautilus with a 1.8coil. I am a direct to lung person, but using

Basically, you're getting less vapor from the Nautilus tank because its a mouth-to-lung tank. Its restricted air flow and higher resistance coils will put out less vapor than a sub-ohm coiled tank with a looser direct-to-lung draw. So it comes down to airflow and coil temperature. Higher vg juice makes more vapor, too. 40 watts is way too many watts for the 1.5 ohm Nautilus coils... 10 - 15 watts would be ideal. That's the drawback of a single voltage battery; a variable voltage/wattage battery is more adaptable allowing the use of different ohm coils.

Thanks so much for your reply! So this 2200mah battery is just too many watts for the nautilus with a 1.8coil. I am a direct to lung person, (I actually never knew anyone smoked differently thank that... ) Using the Nautilus on a Evod Twist 1650Mah vv battery its got great throat hit, great smooth draw, I'm in heaven. When I put the nautilus on the 40w 2200mah battery, it gives 1/2 the vapor and smoke. And its probably trying to fry my 1.8 coil in the nautilus, too? ...................... I'm not a large cloud person, the thinner high PG e-liquid does give a good hit in the sub ohm .7 coil tank (I can't use high vg) at least I'd get to use them up that way. For future batteries, can a mod tank work with the Nautius? If I get one that's vv or vw? I like having a battery that goes longer between charges and I love the feel of the mod tank in my hand, especially when driving, its less awkward to hold (for me). And I've seen ego 3200mah batteries, but if they are not vv or vw I should stay away? I have an adversion to anything... sparking!

 

[montanateri]

I think I understand what is going on here. You set the twist to 4.8v and the other mod is supplying the max the battery can output, which at full is probably 4.2v and will gradually go down to around 3.2v as the battery drains. You get less vapor because it is putting less voltage into the tank.

I'm not sure what that means... sorry. The Twist is set to 4.8v and sometimes lower if its feels like its burning... like a bitter hit. I get great vape cloud (for me) from the nautilus on the ego style (pen?) Twist 1650mah vv and am super happy with that. But when I put the nautilus on the jomo 2200mah mod it comes out 1/2 the vape and its got no 'hit' to it.

 

[Zaryk]

So this 2200mah battery is just too many watts for the nautilus with a 1.8coil. I am a direct to lung person, but using


Thanks so much for your reply! So this 2200mah battery is just too many watts for the nautilus with a 1.8coil. I am a direct to lung person, (I actually never knew anyone smoked differently thank that... ) Using the Nautilus on a Evod Twist 1650Mah vv battery its got great throat hit, great smooth draw, I'm in heaven. When I put the nautilus on the 40w 2200mah battery, it gives 1/2 the vapor and smoke. And its probably trying to fry my 1.8 coil in the nautilus, too? ...................... I'm not a large cloud person, the thinner high PG e-liquid does give a good hit in the sub ohm .7 coil tank (I can't use high vg) at least I'd get to use them up that way. For future batteries, can a mod tank work with the Nautius? If I get one that's vv or vw? I like having a battery that goes longer between charges and I love the feel of the mod tank in my hand, especially when driving, its less awkward to hold (for me). And I've seen ego 3200mah batteries, but if they are not vv or vw I should stay away? I have an adversion to anything... sparking!

The mah of the battery has nothing to do with the watts. Your twist is putting out more volts than your jomo. More volts to the coil, more vapor being produced.

 

[Mordacai]

@montanateri, what flavor are you vaping?

As when you mention bitter, I'm thinking a hint of burn instead.

 

[Mordacai]

And when you get the chance @montanateri, look up the Ehpro 101 Pro mod. It's a stick/tube style mod that takes a 18650, 20700 or 21700 cell/battery.

And it definitely sounds as though you need a different tank, MTL just doesn't seem to be doing it for you.

I can recommend the Vaporesso Skrr-S tank, with the 0.5 ohm GT CCell coils. Decent amount of vapour and lots of flavour.

 

[montanateri]

The mah of the battery has nothing to do with the watts. Your twist is putting out more volts than your jomo. More volts to the coil, more vapor being produced.

Oh.... thank you! So it doesn't matter what mah I buy (that is only an indication of how long you can go between charges...?) So how do I know what the watts are for a battery? This 2200mah says its a 40watt lite... so its 40 watts. But my twist battterys don't tell me watts... and I see that most don't.. they just list the mah.... so how can I tell that I'm not buying a battery that is dangerous for my Nautilus? I stuck with the kits for a long time as they had the batteries matched to a clearomize, then I knew they went together.... buying batteries alone I don't know if it is correct. I thought that if it was 510 or ego thread then as long as it fits it sits... but the 40watt 2200mah I shouldn't use with the nautilus because its 40 watts and no where does the nautilus say it should only have up to 10-15 watts for a battery... UG. ( even though the nautilus fits on it.) So confusing. Should I only buy pen style batteries for the nautilus and avoid mods? But I saw one "pen" style battery that is a GS Ego 3200mah, and it doesn't tell the watts, so how do I know if its okay? Most of the batteries I've seen never mention watts they only list mah. Very sorry for being so confused, but this has been driving me nuts for 3 years and nobody is clear on it, which is how I ended up with the Jomo sub ohm when I didn't even want a sub ohm.... UG.... thank you so much for your patience! -- I really just don't want to set myself on fire or fry all my nautilus coils!

 

[montanateri]

@montanateri, what flavor are you vaping?

As when you mention bitter, I'm thinking a hint of burn instead.

yeah, by bitter pull I mean burn, I leave the Twist on 4.8v, then if it starts to burn my throat, I lower it. I vape a 70pg/30vg, I use Vapuro and mix the "shake and bake" flavors. I have Blueberry custard in one Nautilus, then orange/peach in another, and blueberry Pomogrante... I like to have 3-4 flavors available and bounce between them. I love to mix up the flavors myself and the vapuro has no real steeping need. (I was always told the vg was better for you than the pg, so have been increasing vg slowly, but when I got the 30pg/70vg and did that for 3 weeks, then my throat went gunky and I thought I had cancer. (joke). I went back to 70pg/30vg and cancer is now gone.

 

[Mordacai]

@montanateri, main point when selecting cells or batteries is their CDR (Constant Discharge Rate). This is the maximum amount of Amps that can be provided constantly and safely.

Best policy is to never use a cell or battery at or near its CDR, it's better to err on the side of caution.

But @Mooch is the battery guru here, he does an awful lot for battery safety including testing and listing batteries.

 

[Mordacai]

Yeah @montanateri, I'd say that you're killing your coils.

Look into those Vaporesso tanks, might be a better fit as well as a better taste.

 

[Zaryk]

Oh.... thank you! So it doesn't matter what mah I buy (that is only an indication of how long you can go between charges...?) So how do I know what the watts are for a battery? This 2200mah says its a 40watt lite... so its 40 watts. But my twist battterys don't tell me watts... and I see that most don't.. they just list the mah.... so how can I tell that I'm not buying a battery that is dangerous for my Nautilus? I stuck with the kits for a long time as they had the batteries matched to a clearomize, then I knew they went together.... buying batteries alone I don't know if it is correct. I thought that if it was 510 or ego thread then as long as it fits it sits... but the 40watt 2200mah I shouldn't use with the nautilus because its 40 watts and no where does the nautilus say it should only have up to 10-15 watts for a battery... UG. ( even though the nautilus fits on it.) So confusing. Should I only buy pen style batteries for the nautilus and avoid mods? But I saw one "pen" style battery that is a GS Ego 3200mah, and it doesn't tell the watts, so how do I know if its okay? Most of the batteries I've seen never mention watts they only list mah. Very sorry for being so confused, but this has been driving me nuts for 3 years and nobody is clear on it, which is how I ended up with the Jomo sub ohm when I didn't even want a sub ohm.... UG.... thank you so much for your patience! -- I really just don't want to set myself on fire or fry all my nautilus coils!

It is a little more complex than that. That 40w mod is called an unregulated mod. It does not always put out 40w, it uses the coils ohms to determine the output. That is called ohms law. If you are using a 1.8 ohm coil on it, with a fully charged battery, it will be running at 9.8w. Your twist is doing the same thing, but since it is putting out more voltage it is running at 12.8w. I know this is confusing, but I just wanted to show you the difference.

So simply, you can run any 510 tank on the 40w mod. It will work, but you may need to find the coil resistance that gives you the experience you like. On the 40w mod, the nautilus 1.6 ohm coil would be similar to the 1.8 ohm coils on your twist.

 

[montanateri]

It is a little more complex than that. That 40w mod is called an unregulated mod. It does not always put out 40w, it uses the coils ohms to determine the output. That is called ohms law. If you are using a 1.8 ohm coil on it, with a fully charged battery, it will be running at 9.8w. Your twist is doing the same thing, but since it is putting out more voltage it is running at 12.8w. I know this is confusing, but I just wanted to show you the difference.

So simply, you can run any 510 tank on the 40w mod. It will work, but you may need to find the coil resistance that gives you the experience you like. On the 40w mod, the nautilus 1.6 ohm coil would be similar to the 1.8 ohm coils on your twist.

Oh, my, that helps! The nautilus came with both 1.6 & 1.8, so I do have those in my little stash already. Now I can understand a bit on why it doesn't draw good on the juno, but does on the twist. its not the nautilus itself, its the coil in the nautilus, higher coil #, equals lower watt output. Lower the coil, even a little, better output. Oh, my, you folks have clarified this for me, this helps so much, thank you all!!

 

[montanateri]

Yeah @montanateri, I'd say that you're killing your coils.

Look into those Vaporesso tanks, might be a better fit as well as a better taste.

Well... i have limited $ and I already bought multiple nautilus, and they work super well.... when I talk about that burn issue, I've only had the nautilus for 1 week and I don't believe I've ever had that burn on these. (Always had a bit of a problem with that with the Evod airotank) All the Naut. batteries are set at 4.8 as I've never had to lower them. I use at 3 setups randomly through the day, I like a switch in flavor and mark what flavor is in each, its my fun thing... I can even hit the nautilus on a Twist II multiple times (7-8) and still never had a burn, which explains why I've falling in love....

 

[Hawise]

Here's a tip for future purchases. Variable voltage (VV, like your Evod Twist) and variable wattage (VW) are just different ways of adjusting the power to your vape. VW mods can usually go a lot higher than the Twist, but you can also turn them down to get the same vape you're getting from the Twist. Additionally, VW mods are easier to find than VV mods nowadays.

As @Zaryk mentioned, using the Twist at 4.8 volts with your 1.8 ohm Nautilus coil is equivalent to using the Nautilus on a VW mod at 12.8 w, so when you get a VW mod you just need to attach your Nautilus and set the wattage to 12.8 (or 13, if it doesn't do decimals).

 

[montanateri]

Here's a tip for future purchases. Variable voltage (VV, like your Evod Twist) and variable wattage (VW) are just different ways of adjusting the power to your vape. VW mods can usually go a lot higher than the Twist, but you can also turn them down to get the same vape you're getting from the Twist. Additionally, VW mods are easier to find than VV mods nowadays.

As @Zaryk mentioned, using the Twist at 4.8 volts with your 1.8 ohm Nautilus coil is equivalent to using the Nautilus on a VW mod at 12.8 w, so when you get a VW mod you just need to attach your Nautilus and set the wattage to 12.8 (or 13, if it doesn't do decimals).

Wow, you guys have saved this grandma! I'm not techy (I did buy my first cell phone a month ago... I hate it.) My adult son has given up on e-cigs due to the confusion we both have, (I shared my non-techy genes with him) maybe now I can make it simple for him too and get him back on it vs analog! Now I can see that I can get a mod, which I love the shape and feel of them, and you've given me solid information on the basics of what to buy and how to operate what buy! You folks are wonderful~!!

 

[Daniel Forsyth]

Welcome to ECF montanateri
It looks like your getting a bit of help already, Enjoy

 

[Mordacai]

And are you aware of the cheaper places to get vaping gear from @montanateri?

Because I know with buying local that you can easily get gouged, here in the UK it's even worse.

 

[BrotherBob]

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