I have 2 batts that a only a month old. I normally use the wall adapter to charge them but have noticed they seem need re-charging more frequently then when I first got them. If I am in the house I usually have a batt on the charger most of the time. Before I go to bed I take the last batt used & put in on the charger. I then put the batt I just charged into the PCC overnight. In the morning the batt in the PCC (freshly charged & not used) typically has about an hour of use before it needs re-charging. I've also noticed batts charged in the PCC seem to have a shorter life then those charged on the wall adapter. I do not consider myself a heavy vaper. Hopefully I should not need new batt already. Currently I am having to charge each battery an average of twice a day. Is this normal?
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If you only have two batteries, charging at least one of them twice during a day would probably be normal. I will often go through 3 or 4 batteries in the course of a day.
One of my batteries has me strongly suspecting it might have a shorter life than the others, but I haven't actually marked it yet to track its performance. Other than that one all my Bloog batts have a pretty impressive life span.
That said, it might be worth keeping a scrap of paper with you and start logging when you start using a each batt and when it dies on you. If you're not getting close to a couple of hours out of a 65mm or 3 hours from a 78mm it might be on the way out.
I believe these batteries are good for 300-400 charge cycles which I doubt you've hit within a month, so if performance is drastically off it might be worth an email to CS.
One of my batteries has me strongly suspecting it might have a shorter life than the others, but I haven't actually marked it yet to track its performance. Other than that one all my Bloog batts have a pretty impressive life span.
That said, it might be worth keeping a scrap of paper with you and start logging when you start using a each batt and when it dies on you. If you're not getting close to a couple of hours out of a 65mm or 3 hours from a 78mm it might be on the way out.
I believe these batteries are good for 300-400 charge cycles which I doubt you've hit within a month, so if performance is drastically off it might be worth an email to CS.
I have the same issue with my Bloog batteries. Not even a month old. I already sent an email but no replies. So I think I am taking my business elsewhere....
First, to seacitylady,
I am no scientist and don't know all of the ins and outs of the PCC, but I do know there have been some PCC issues in the past that are being handled.
I would suggest you skip the PCC charger for a few days and use just the AC charger and or the USB charger so you can see by the charging indicator that you are actually getting a full charge. The problem could be in the PCC and not the the batteries.
As to doorknob, I can promise you that everything is being done to get back in touch with you. Bloog is in the process of training some new folks and it may be slowing things down just a bit.
And to all who read this... I have had a few of my customers bring batts back to me with a similar complaint, so I replaced them. After charging the batts and using them myself, I found no problems with the batts. What I did find, was that my people were vaping a whole lot more than they realized and that was cutting the batt life down.
The life of the batts is dependent on use. If you are a chain vapor, it won't last as long. Personally, I use a standard 78mm. I put on a fresh one in the morning (7AM) and it is normally ready to change out about 4 or 5 when I get off work. If I am having a stressful day, it will go dead sooner than that. That is just the nature of the beast. Any battery operated device is the same way. More use, less life.
I am no scientist and don't know all of the ins and outs of the PCC, but I do know there have been some PCC issues in the past that are being handled.
I would suggest you skip the PCC charger for a few days and use just the AC charger and or the USB charger so you can see by the charging indicator that you are actually getting a full charge. The problem could be in the PCC and not the the batteries.
As to doorknob, I can promise you that everything is being done to get back in touch with you. Bloog is in the process of training some new folks and it may be slowing things down just a bit.
And to all who read this... I have had a few of my customers bring batts back to me with a similar complaint, so I replaced them. After charging the batts and using them myself, I found no problems with the batts. What I did find, was that my people were vaping a whole lot more than they realized and that was cutting the batt life down.
The life of the batts is dependent on use. If you are a chain vapor, it won't last as long. Personally, I use a standard 78mm. I put on a fresh one in the morning (7AM) and it is normally ready to change out about 4 or 5 when I get off work. If I am having a stressful day, it will go dead sooner than that. That is just the nature of the beast. Any battery operated device is the same way. More use, less life.
I think Shooter called it correctly, it sounds like a PCC issue. IS this one of the threadless connectors? If so, that might be the problem. As slick as the threadless connector is, sadly it just didn't work out in real life use. It loses connection too easily. Try using the regular charger instead, and see if that improves the battery longevity. If so, we'll let you exchange your PCC for a newer one with the threaded connector.
And Doorknob, when did you e-mail? It was a holiday weekend, and I' sure they were doing all they could on Tuesday to catch up. If you still haven't heard from them, please PM me, and I'll pass it along to CS.
And Doorknob, when did you e-mail? It was a holiday weekend, and I' sure they were doing all they could on Tuesday to catch up. If you still haven't heard from them, please PM me, and I'll pass it along to CS.
Just to add a couple notes here. I'm not sure what chemistry Bloog batteries are using (Lithium Ion / Lithium Polymer etc) but all batteries, regardless of chemistry do still have a tendency to build a memory over time. If you are consistantly charging the battery before it's actually dead (LED Blinking on the bat) the battery will eventually shorten it's life to that charge cycle. Also, over charging will shorten battery life as well. When a battery is sitting on the charger, it is being trickle charged. As far as I know the charger its self does not completely cut power to the battery at the end of a charge cycle. Leaving the battery in the charger for extended periods of time fully charged isn't the optimal solution if this is indeed the case. If you can, only charge until full then remove from the charger and store your battery.
Regardless, even when you optimally charge the batteries, they will shorten in life over time. If you are diligent about only charging when completely dead, and only charging until the battery is full it will lenghten the amount of time before the battery degrades.
Regardless, even when you optimally charge the batteries, they will shorten in life over time. If you are diligent about only charging when completely dead, and only charging until the battery is full it will lenghten the amount of time before the battery degrades.
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Sorry, Eileithia, but that's not correct. Ni-cad batteries had that problem, but Li-po batts don't develop any kind of charge memory. Charge as often as you like.
Sorry, Eileithia, but that's not correct. Ni-cad batteries had that problem, but Li-po batts don't develop any kind of charge memory. Charge as often as you like.
I ordered five batteries including the 3 whatever passthrough. One of them only lasts for 2.5 drags before dying. Another I used for over 7 hours (steadily vaping the entire time) before it started to wane. I'm a little curious about this extreme degree of battery life. I even posted in the newbie subforum about the length of the good battery thinking I must be doing something wrong for it to have lasted as long as it was. And I'm still finding it bizarre.
Taken from Wikipedia:
LiPoly batteries must be charged carefully. The basic process is to charge at constant current until each cell reaches 4.2 V; the charger must then gradually reduce the charge current while holding the cell voltage at 4.2 V until the charge current has dropped to a small percentage of the initial charge rate, at which point the battery is considered 100% charged. Some manufacturers specify 2%, others 3%, but other values are also possible. The difference in achieved capacity is minute.
Balance charging simply means that the charger monitors the voltage of each cell in a pack and varies the charge on a per-cell basis so that all cells are brought to the same voltage.
It is important to note that trickle charging is not acceptable for lithium batteries; Li-ion chemistry cannot accept an overcharge without causing damage to the cell, possibly plating out lithium metal and becoming hazardous.[5] Most manufacturers claim a maximum and minimum voltage of 4.23 and 3.0 volts per cell. Taking any cell outside these limits can reduce the cell's capacity and ability to deliver full rated current.
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Leaford, I'm sure your chargers are intelligent enough to regulate the voltage on your batteries, but a defective charger *could* cause issues reducing life of a battery (or worse). I work directly with a lot of computer manufacturers, and although Li-Pol batterys are MUCH better than Ni-Cad/Li-Ion, it is still possible to have reduced battery life if the product is charged too long (Like leaving your laptop plugged in 90% of the time). I see it happen all the time.
LiPoly batteries must be charged carefully. The basic process is to charge at constant current until each cell reaches 4.2 V; the charger must then gradually reduce the charge current while holding the cell voltage at 4.2 V until the charge current has dropped to a small percentage of the initial charge rate, at which point the battery is considered 100% charged. Some manufacturers specify 2%, others 3%, but other values are also possible. The difference in achieved capacity is minute.
Balance charging simply means that the charger monitors the voltage of each cell in a pack and varies the charge on a per-cell basis so that all cells are brought to the same voltage.
It is important to note that trickle charging is not acceptable for lithium batteries; Li-ion chemistry cannot accept an overcharge without causing damage to the cell, possibly plating out lithium metal and becoming hazardous.[5] Most manufacturers claim a maximum and minimum voltage of 4.23 and 3.0 volts per cell. Taking any cell outside these limits can reduce the cell's capacity and ability to deliver full rated current.
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Leaford, I'm sure your chargers are intelligent enough to regulate the voltage on your batteries, but a defective charger *could* cause issues reducing life of a battery (or worse). I work directly with a lot of computer manufacturers, and although Li-Pol batterys are MUCH better than Ni-Cad/Li-Ion, it is still possible to have reduced battery life if the product is charged too long (Like leaving your laptop plugged in 90% of the time). I see it happen all the time.
One of my original two batteries had a shorter life than the other when I first got it. Both were charged on the wall adapter - in fact I always charge on the wall adapter and when I store them I just lay it in the PCC until I need it when away from home.
I started using one as soon as I got it in the mail (since I'd been without analogs for 4 hours already) and put the other battery on the wall charger. As soon as the 2nd battery charged to full I took it off the wall charger and started using it and put the other battery on the charger even though it wasn't fully discharged. When I took it off the charger to use it - it didn't last as long as the battery that had a full AC charge before I used it. What I did was use the shorter life battery until it blinked that it was empty and then laid it aside for a few minutes and attempted to vape on it a few times in spite of its blinking - of course I got no vapor but I think I was able to reset the smart circuit by doing this. It's worth a try since it worked for me.
I suppose it's possible that if the battery has had a hard knock or drop that it might have been damaged. I've dropped one of mine on asphalt (it fell out of my jean pocket when I got out of car) and other than being scuffed it works fine still.
Best of luck to you.
I started using one as soon as I got it in the mail (since I'd been without analogs for 4 hours already) and put the other battery on the wall charger. As soon as the 2nd battery charged to full I took it off the wall charger and started using it and put the other battery on the charger even though it wasn't fully discharged. When I took it off the charger to use it - it didn't last as long as the battery that had a full AC charge before I used it. What I did was use the shorter life battery until it blinked that it was empty and then laid it aside for a few minutes and attempted to vape on it a few times in spite of its blinking - of course I got no vapor but I think I was able to reset the smart circuit by doing this. It's worth a try since it worked for me.
I suppose it's possible that if the battery has had a hard knock or drop that it might have been damaged. I've dropped one of mine on asphalt (it fell out of my jean pocket when I got out of car) and other than being scuffed it works fine still.
Best of luck to you.
I was having similar issues. I got frustrated with the awful battery life and weak vapor production. I got myself an Joye Ego with a drip tip and I get about 2 1/2 days worth of battery with about 80% more vapor production. Its also cheaper!
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