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[Gribeau]

I dunno how much more energy you can realistically pack into something the size of a current 808 battery. There may be a little room for improvement, but you'll definitely hit density limits. I'm not knowledgeable enough on the topic to know if anything can be completely re-engineered to better match the load of the carto to the output capacity of the battery.

 

[Drozd]

In regards to batteries I am very surprised that there has not been an Ego/Tornado-esque 808 battery introduced yet.

Perhaps because the Ego and Tornado are not true 3.7v batts and 808s are?

I don't know.

that is correct eGo /tornado /510 batteries are 3.1V and 808 are 3.7V

 

[Drozd]

I dunno how much more energy you can realistically pack into something the size of a current 808 battery. There may be a little room for improvement, but you'll definitely hit density limits. I'm not knowledgeable enough on the topic to know if anything can be completely re-engineered to better match the load of the carto to the output capacity of the battery.

Turbo carts at 3.7V have an amp draw of 1.19A (1190mA)... so you'd either have to have a battery that had like 1500mAh... or had a higer C rating (discharge rating)... currently the 180mAh batteries have a max drain rate of .18A, regular length 280mAh .28A, and the Xl 380mAh .38A...

even the eGo batteries you're looking at a 1A draw on a battery with a max drain rate of .65

the better 14500 battery you got a 1.19A draw again on a battery thats got a max drain rate of 1.5A which WOULD barely cover it...

 

[SR219]

I can't respond to this yet as my first order of turbos are still en-route to me. But I can't wait to try them.......at both 3.7v and 6.0v. I'll be nice to them and not feed them 7.2v.

 

[sideburn]

thank you monster dude

oh by the way you might want to check your email address with your acct with us--got a mail delivery failure to sideburn@xxxxxxxx.net or whatever you have listed to us

Ben

yea, this morning my domain was dead. my current host that ive had for over 15 years decided to shut everything down (without warning) because the expiration year on my credit card changed to 2013. i hate them. they charge 1995 rates and their admin portal is a piece of crap. it was the final straw for me to switch to another host. I think its back up for now. could you see if it goes through ?

 

[Katya]

I see that many other suppliers are coming up with their version of "Turbo" cartos. I'm interested in trying the Turbos, but are they really different/better than other company's version of upgraded cartos? i.e V4life Premiums and nHaler's Mega carts. Thanks in advance

No, they are all different. If you want to read a very nice review (or watch a video), go to VapewithPuff.com. She did a great job comparing V4L and Turbo carts.

Megas are brand new and nobody's really tried them yet, I suggest that you ask about them at the vendor's forum. He's the only one who knows all the details.

 

[wisteelersfan]

As far as the battery issue goes, I'm sure most of us realize these little things are all on borrowed time. Especially the shorties. But on the same note, like Gribeau said, why can't we have better quality control? Just because we're only going to get 2 months use from them, we should still be able to expect that they just WORK. Not think about plugging holes or reaming holes out to get switches to activate. Or weather this weeks order is going to be the same as the ones you ordered two weeks ago. That being said, I've used Ben's auto batteries. And while the draw may be a tiny bit lighter than I personally like, they're great. Both of them I have act exactly the same. Same draw, switch activation is perfect on both, 10 second or so cutoff and they just plain work right. The only reason I haven't switched is because I like the shorties. So when(and I'm assuming that when is more realistic than if) Ben gets shorty autos, like the particular non v4l ones I emailed you the details on, I'll switch. Especially if they have the draw, etc as his current ones do. And if I have to order more in 2 months, so be it. Hell, how many lighters did you buy every month? Batteries, like carts and attys, are consumables. It's just how it is.

 

[Belletrist]

Yeah, there's no getting a stock battery right now that won't be overstressed, as I'm learning as I do research for the batt series I'm writing... but I would love to see something like the Tornado at 3.7 V. You're right Ben--they have a design flaw that makes them unreliable, and for that reason I wouldn't stock 'em yet. Scottbee is getting the XL eGo clone from eastmall and hopefully they've corrected the bad circutry or circuit board or wtf-ever is wrong with the eGo/Tornado in its current incarnation.

Getting good QC out of China on something like disposable e-cig batteries isn't going to happen, not by American standards, anyways. But just in the past 6 months I've seen it go from "meh, China" to "wtf, China?!" w/ stock from certain suppliers. The batts I bought months ago still work, but it seems like a lot of new customers that get batts from other suppliers are having problems. *shrugs* That's not something that a US based distributor can do a lot about, beyond... not choosing that manufacturer. At least not until we have a true corporate heavy hitter that can use buying power to demand improvement.

I do +1 the hooking up with a decent mod maker, as Drozd said, though stock batts def have a place in my arsenal too.

Ben--make V9 wildly successful, then hire a pet engineer to R&D for ya. Then all of our dreams can come true.

 

[emonty]

just refilled my first Turbo Cart (555) with my own flavor, after flushing with H2O and drying....40 drops!!!! Same good draw and Vapor on3.7V

 

[syntaxevasion]

Yeah, there's no getting a stock battery right now that won't be overstressed, as I'm learning as I do research for the batt series I'm writing... but I would love to see something like the Tornado at 3.7 V. You're right Ben--they have a design flaw that makes them unreliable, and for that reason I wouldn't stock 'em yet. Scottbee is getting the XL eGo clone from eastmall and hopefully they've corrected the bad circutry or circuit board or wtf-ever is wrong with the eGo/Tornado in its current incarnation.

Getting good QC out of China on something like disposable e-cig batteries isn't going to happen, not by American standards, anyways. But just in the past 6 months I've seen it go from "meh, China" to "wtf, China?!" w/ stock from certain suppliers. The batts I bought months ago still work, but it seems like a lot of new customers that get batts from other suppliers are having problems. *shrugs* That's not something that a US based distributor can do a lot about, beyond... not choosing that manufacturer. At least not until we have a true corporate heavy hitter that can use buying power to demand improvement.

I do +1 the hooking up with a decent mod maker, as Drozd said, though stock batts def have a place in my arsenal too.

Ben--make V9 wildly successful, then hire a pet engineer to R&D for ya. Then all of our dreams can come true.

The problem with the batteries is largely our (suppliers) fault. We don't typically send them back to the manufacturers for replacement. Essentially, this is making unreliable batteries a cash cow for manufacturers.

I've done it before but at low quantities and without a "returns/exchange department" it has been more of a headache than anything with the relatively low volume we do.

With our new distribution business we will ABSOLUTELY be doing this and be very adamant about it, as we feel it will drive a quick improvement in reliability once they start receiving hundreds or thousands of batteries back from us for replacement.

Once we insist that they warranty their products, and make them own up to their commitment, I'm sure we'll see some improvements. Other suppliers should follow suit, if not doing so already.

Ben

 

[miss MiA]

Belle and wisteelersfan, you guys have followed this better than I have; but in the cases of that recent whole new level/universe of 'erraticism' in batts of which you speak, I'd gotten the impression that (beyond the usual QC issues) the 'tweaks' being actively requested were also missing the mark not infrequently, and in any event resulting in versions that did not appeal across as many preferences as had the previous gen batts. (Run-on sentence anyone?? ) I'd been there and loading up on all types since early November, and the issues between then and early Feb or so sure weren't the same animal that they have been more recently.

Hopefully that doesn't speak for what happens when a supplier requests tweaks lol; seriously, it probably wouldn't if as Ben says, defectives were at least sent back religiously. And I had also gotten the psychic impression () that the tweaks being requested in that case weren't necessarily ones being directly 'demanded' by large numbers of customers; that maybe it was more of a 'we know best' thang, that may not have been working out so well... Make any sense?

 

[Belletrist]

That makes a lot of sense, Ben. The factories aren't really being held accountable, so they're not really trying.

Miss Mia--I know what you're saying and I agree with some/don't with other stuff, but I'm not talking about the tweaking. I mean, when something changes some people don't like it, some people do, but it's not the same as... well, lots of stuff arriving DOA or not working well (I know tweaks can contribute to that, but I'm talking about stuff being just flat out broken). But it is one reason I think that 'tweaking' in large quantities, in irreversible ways should be left to, well, engineers. Not like, "Do this [insert random idea] to our next shipment of 90,000 packs of cartos! Let's see what happens! Sounds good to me, and I vape all the time so I know what I'm talkin' bout!" *gives Scottbee nightmares of Belle being in charge of R&D*

 

[miss MiA]

Bingo, agree. If possible something like a limited test marketing would be ideal I imagine (which is all I can ever do ). To include not only ppl who would report on the vape satisfaction, batt life etc.; but also some who know their technical stuff and could consider the more *sciencey angles of the potential change/tweak.

*Credit: Belletrist a.k.a. Belle a.k.a. Puff not to be confused with any other Puff, i.e. Puff as in vapewithpuff.com.

 

[Belletrist]

You're adorable, Miss.

 

[wisteelersfan]

I agree with Belle. The qc issues are completely different than the "tweaks". When I refer to qc I think of flat out defective products. Switches that are almost impossible to activate, bad threads, inconsistencies in a product from one batch to the next. And I'm not referring to any one company on this, it seems rather common in the entire industry right now. I could easily say it's because it's a new industry, but I don't feel it is. IMO, it's more to do with vendors not holding suppliers accountable as Ben says. The vendor that FORCES their suppliers to be consistent, and produce quality products will benefit in the long term. Even if it means a slightly higher cost to the consumer, most will be willing to pay it. There is a reason that for the last few decades in this country import cars have been more highly regarded than those from the big 3. And it's the same reason the big 3 recently had the problems they did. Maximizing profit without concern for the long term or your consumers is a losing situation for longevity.
As for tweaks, I also agree that test marketing to small groups of people is a great idea, and one that some of the smaller vendors on this forum actually do. Radical changes to how a product functions, looks, or lasts should really be left to a complete change in a product. Not a tweak to a product that the majority of a customer base already likes or knows. You'll never please every single customer and it's really not a good policy to change a product to try and do that. But these are just my opinions. And as an aside, I still love the word sciency. I was really trying to figure out how to work it in to this post.

 

[UberDuper]

I've had the v9 cartos recommended to me but I haven't been able to find an explanation of how they differ from any of the other current cartos out there.

UD.

 

[Belletrist]

UberDuper; they have a higher resistance but apparently more efficient airflow/wicking capabilities, the vapor is warmer than a standard, but the outer shell of the carto stays cool, they have a higher liquid capacity and that in combination with the wicking means they're more consistent, last longer between refills, and in my experience, take a heck of a lot of refills without washing.

 

[UberDuper]

The main problem I've had with the cartomizers I'm currently using is that after 3 or 4 refills they accumulate a bunch of charred juice around the coil and inside the coil wrap. That buildup gives the juice a roasted flavor and can't be cleaned out. I've heard the ones I'm using run about 2.5R so it may just be the coil getting so much hotter that's causing the charring. I go through ~3ml/day of juice so I reach that point within a day or two of using one.

I don't actually refill anymore. I fill once and put a t-tip on it and just drip 4 - 8 drops at a time to keep the carto in the 'sweet spot.' I use it like that until I get that flavor or the filler stops absorbing liquid and it runs down the coil wrap and out the battery connector.

UD.

 

[Belletrist]

Yeah, these have a 3.1-3.4 resistance. So it might help. What voltage are you using?

 

[UberDuper]

3.7v from a 14500.

UD.