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[mightymen]

2 Timothy 3:16-17 SAY'S

Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Yet, if we go to the book of Revelation.

in the last chapter near the end verse's 18 and 19 there's a curse that say's.

Revelation Chapter 22

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

It's obvious I can't change one Word in this Book called the Bible includes the Old and New Testaments.

It's also obvious what ever God gave us He can take away. I don't know about you guys but these verse I take as a WARNING.

What do these verses in 2 Timothy and Revelation tell us, do we understand them?

IMO: Revelation sound as though there's a curse here.

IMO: How to receive Salvation and forgiveness from God is #1 and #2 is are these Scripture's because if we don't heed the WARNING than what, all we gained will be lost. It's PLAN AS DAY WRITTEN and recorded don't mess with the Scripture's or else now that does not only include those who are born again but those who are not!

2 Timothy 3:16-17 tells us how to use the Scriptures.

There is no contradiction with these Scripture's.

My thoughts are we can get new understanding and always expect it but it should never change what the WRITTEN WORD say's.

Share your thoughts and give us all new understanding.

 

[VapinBill]

It is hard for me to read interpretation sometimes because of this. The Word is read and misinterpreted at times. I try to stick with what is written and pray for understanding.
It breaks my heart to see such wisdom of God's Blessed Word being used for worldly gain.
But if one non believer is touch by His Blessed Word, IMHO, the win outweighs the evil intent.

 

[mightymen]

For sure God will give the believer the desires of his heart.

Psalm 37:4
Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.

Mark 11:24
Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Each one of us can trust these verse, one say MY desires and the other says GO to the Lord.


I was thinking when I google this subject I got pages where everyone is talking on the whole complete Bible, a light went off and I was thinking there are many books in the Bible and the writer of Revelation gave us a very large book here with 22 chapters with many verses, could he be singling out Revelation with this curse. It goes without saying we can never change the Word of God but without translating the Bible into other languages people wouldn't have a Bible to read from. With the English language meanings of words do change with time, I assume most other language do the same. Its not like the Hebrew language that's always the same.

When we pick up the Scriptures or when we hear them elsewhere; I believe we should look at the above Scripture and put them in to action knowing our answer will come from the God not man.

 

[mightymen]

Fisheeboy what's your thoughts on this subject,

1 Corinthians 12:20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.

 

[VapinBill]

If I may. I see one body of Christ. One consciousness. The Holy Spirit, God within us, making all of us one in Him.

 

[mightymen]

That's the way I understand it.

IMO: It's so COOL!

 

[Fisheeboy]

Well since you asked. I guess I will answer.
I first and foremost will say that the Bible is text. It is nothing more than text unless one is filled with the spirit of God. Then it becomes a means to understanding the Character of God and a means of understanding righteousness and holiness. But I do not believe that it is a crucial part of having wisdom and understanding. It's good for everything it says it's good for but it is not the be all to end all. Don't get me wrong, I treasure the Scriptures and would feel a sense of loss if I didn't have my Bible. But there is truth all around us. And it is in Spirit and in truth that we are able to know and worship and fellowship with God. So adding or subtracting from the text itself is not what I think the warning is referring to. Rather it is a warning to those who distort and pervert the Scriptures. Making doctrines of man. Rather than doctrines of God. If someone is truly a child of the Most High then that person will be taught by the Most High. He never intended for us to be our own teachers. He is the Master, the Teacher. If He is in you and You in Him then you will gain spiritual understanding from Him. The Bible is cool because it confirms what He teaches. And it confirms itself. The Bible is awesome but it is not God and should never become an idle.
The true church is an invisible church that is made up of many members. It is one body not one building or one denomination. It is a church that is centered around His grace because there is no salvation outside of His grace. I am confident that people are being saved within numerous denominations and non-denominations. It is by grace that we are saved. Some churches are closer to the truth than others and some are so far out that it's hard to imagine anyone being saved within them. But we don't really know who or when God is going to save someone. The carnal church will never be perfect no more than we will ever be perfect in this flesh. But the spiritual church that invisible church is perfect and that is the one true church the one true body of Christ. He is doing things on a global scale that we cannot begin to imagine nor comprehend. I can take just about any translation of the Bible and show anyone the "road to salvation" Even a twisted and perverted Bible like the New World Translation. But it is God alone who gives life. Without that life (a.k.a being born again, a.k.a regeneration) there will never be repentance or anything spiritual. No faith, no repentance, no spiritual understanding, no thing godly or holy. Unless God regenerates a person there will be nothing except for separation from God. And that is what death really truly is.

 

[Fisheeboy]

The text can be understood by anyone. But spiritual understanding of the text only comes to those who have God's Spirit.

 

[mightymen]

Very well said fishee...

 

[Saintscruiser]

The true church is an invisible church that is made up of many members. It is one body not one building or one denomination. It is a church that is centered around His grace because there is no salvation outside of His grace. I am confident that people are being saved within numerous denominations and non-denominations. It is by grace that we are saved. Some churches are closer to the truth than others and some are so far out that it's hard to imagine anyone being saved within them. But we don't really know who or when God is going to save someone. The carnal church will never be perfect no more than we will ever be perfect in this flesh. But the spiritual church that invisible church is perfect and that is the one true church the one true body of Christ. He is doing things on a global scale that we cannot begin to imagine nor comprehend. I can take just about any translation of the Bible and show anyone the "road to salvation" Even a twisted and perverted Bible like the New World Translation. But it is God alone who gives life. Without that life (a.k.a being born again, a.k.a regeneration) there will never be repentance or anything spiritual. No faith, no repentance, no spiritual understanding, no thing godly or holy. Unless God regenerates a person there will be nothing except for separation from God. And that is what death really truly is. Posted by Fisheeboy

VERY well said, Fisheeboy! Stands repeating: VERY well said!

MM, I've always believed that the warning in Revelation is meant for the Book of Revelation. The entire Holy Bible is prophesy, but Daniel didn't understand and God told him to close the writings without him understanding. IMHO, I truly believe when John wrote Revelation as dictated by Almighty God, the last few verses were talking about 'woe be unto the person who changes the wording of this Book' of Revelation, as it is talking about way future from when John wrote it down. God could be talking about the Holy Bible, but I doubt it. Revelation is THAT IMPORTANT. I know there are churches who teach it differently and change the meaning. It would scare me to death to even think about changing it.

I don't believe it is a curse, I believe the person dooms his/herself. It's like a kid getting too close to the stove, even when their mom warns them. If they do it anyway, they are going to get burned. I believe it's more of a warning.

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

I say, "Even so, come, Lord Jesus!"


BTW, MM, great thread!

 

[mightymen]

I don't believe it is a curse, I believe the person dooms his/herself. It's like a kid getting too close to the stove, even when their mom warns them. If they do it anyway, they are going to get burned. I believe it's more of a warning.

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

I say, "Even so, come, Lord Jesus!"


BTW, MM, great thread!

As far as a curse goes it's not, we can't invoke GOD (supernatural power) to bring harm and we shouldn't ask God to do so, it would be outside His will since He wills all to come to Him. It was my silly way to get attention focus on those few verses.

It's not a warning though, since the writer said God will, then God told him what to say and as we know it is impossible for God to lie. I also can assume that being God told John this, it was something that was going to happen and God telling us what He will do, no if's or buts about it.

The direction then must be totally focus on who is adding or removing these words, for now it might help just to look at Revelation by itself.

We know this book is exactly the same when written or it's been changed, we first must understand what God is telling us?

IMO: It would only mean one thing if anyone changed the meanings of the words to mean something else.

Chapter 1 verse 1-3 tells us exact what Revelation is about and who it's for.

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Verse 1 tells me - I am one of the Lords servants, so it's for the me.

Verse 2 tells me - it's the Word of God and testimony of Jesus Christ.

Verse 3 tells me - I should read it and It's possible to understand this prophesy and I should remember it, for the time is coming soon.

My final question is the Bible the WORD of GOD or just a man made up book and is this Bible the Testimony of Jesus Christ.

IMO: I've read many prophesy on Jesus in the Old Testament and yet I still find more, the fulfillment of them can be found in the New Testament.

For me; I see the Bible as the Testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[Fisheeboy]

Good stuff bro, that's exactly who the Bible is about. The Bible is the reveling of the Christ. If you were to start from the first page and read through the whole Bible with no other purpose than to see Christ in the Scriptures it would be mind blowing. It's all about Him, it always has been.

 

[blondeambition3]

When we pick up the Scriptures or when we hear them elsewhere; I believe we should look at the above Scripture and put them in to action knowing our answer will come from the God not man.

This is wisdom.

 

[blondeambition3]

Good stuff bro, that's exactly who the Bible is about. The Bible is the revealing of the Christ. If you were to start from the first page and read through the whole Bible with no other purpose than to see Christ in the Scriptures it would be mind blowing. It's all about Him, it always has been.

This too is wisdom.