Built my first coil ever RM2!

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rasci2

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With the aid of Super X's tutorial and the videos of Vapediver and Statistics I have been wrapping Micro coils for a while now. I've gotten to be quite proficient with all coils touching and even and I really like how they light up from the center outward when dry burning. They also provide a great vape with terrific vapor, throat hit and flavor. However, the question begged "are they really any different than fewer wrapped coils at the same resistance". I decided to do a double blind test using the following parameters:

1. I wrapped two coils. One a micro coil 9 wraps around a 16 ga needle with 28ga kanthal metering out to 1.2 ohms. The other a five wrap 30ga kanthal around a round toothpick which also metered at 1.2 ohms
2. I mounted each coil on a VV Grand with the same juice and set each VV Grand at 4.2 volts.
3. I vaped each coil for about 30 minutes to break them in.
4. With the aid of my Wife and Daughter (who both thought I was nuts) who I asked to change the RM2's around and also using a blindfold I performed a blind taste test comparison.

The results - I could not detect any discernible difference between the coils. They were both great.

Now I realize that I do not have the most sensitive taste buds. I use cotton for my wicks not because I can detect a difference in the taste but because it is cheaper and more readily available. I can't really tell the difference between what is considered a really great wine and a cheap one. So I do not claims to be an expert. My wife did the same test and she could detect the micro coil two out of three times. She likes the micro coil better.

So what is the point of this post? I am certainly not trying to denigrate or disparage micro coils and their supporters. The reason I am posting this is for those who may be new to RBAs or may fear they do not have to skills to make a micro coil. To those I say wrap a simpler coil and you will a similar if not exact vape. Once you have mastered the simpler coil you can than move on to wrapping competition grade coils. It's all good.
 

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With the aid of Super X's tutorial and the videos of Vapediver and Statistics I have been wrapping Micro Coils for a while now. I've gotten to be quite proficient with all coils touching and even and I really like how they light up from the center outward when dry burning. They also provide a great vape with terrific vapor, throat hit and flavor. However, the question begged "are they really any different than fewer wrapped coils at the same resistance". I decided to do a double blind test using the following parameters:

1. I wrapped two coils. One a micro coil 9 wraps around a 16 ga needle with 28ga kanthal metering out to 1.2 ohms. The other a five wrap 30ga kanthal around a round toothpick which also metered at 1.2 ohms
2. I mounted each coil on a VV Grand with the same juice and set each VV Grand at 4.2 volts.
3. I vaped each coil for about 30 minutes to break them in.
4. With the aid of my Wife and Daughter (who both thought I was nuts) who I asked to change the RM2's around and also using a blindfold I performed a blind taste test comparison.

The results - I could not detect any discernible difference between the coils. They were both great.

Now I realize that I do not have the most sensitive taste buds. I use cotton for my wicks not because I can detect a difference in the taste but because it is cheaper and more readily available. I can't really tell the difference between what is considered a really great wine and a cheap one. So I do not claims to be an expert. My wife did the same test and she could detect the micro coil two out of three times. She likes the micro coil better.

So what is the point of this post? I am certainly not trying to denigrate or disparage micro coils and their supporters. The reason I am posting this is for those who may be new to RBAs or may fear they do not have to skills to make a micro coil. To those I say wrap a simpler coil and you will a similar if not exact vape. Once you have mastered the simpler coil you can than move on to wrapping competition grade coils. It's all good.

Went to micro coil and what you said is all good, but what I did see was a big and noticeable difference in amount of vapor. I am a vapor junkie so for that reason I stayed with micro. Also used way more juice with micro set up, 50% more.
 

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Good test Ray :)

I think one of the most apparent benefits to micrology is that the coils stay allot cleaner cause they're "self cleaning" each other due to their close proximity.

That said, I think that with some juices the benefits may be more obvious day two or three rather than immediately.

With my juice, the difference in flavor (or lack thereof) is not necessarily as discernible, but the vapor is more copious and the TH is adjustable by coil elevation - an adjustment that's just not as easily attainable with a big ol' standard coil.

Additionally, I believe that the vape stays more in the optimum zone because you are relying less on wicking with a small bore coil and minimal wick. With a micro and short cotton wick, the juice is being supplied directly to all faces of the coil with a squonk whereas in a larger bore horizontal coil, gravity has more effect on the liquid causing it to collect in the bottom portion of wick.

Here's another side effect to a 12+ wrap micro with heavier gauge (I now run 27 ga) wire: you can dial in the vape to be like a "light" cig by firing and hitting right away or like a "red" by firing for 3-4 seconds then hitting while continuing to fire. This is because the coil takes longer to heat up with a 12 + wrap 27 ga micro. You get several vape personalities from the same micro build and can chose which you want at any given time just by fire / vape interval :)

I always enjoy tests and data, especially when it's from a source as credible as you bro.

Very well said Ray.
 
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Throw out those tweezers. This is the ultimate scrunching tool for micro coils and we know how much Roger likes tools.
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I wonder if they have those at Harbor Freight? Perhaps one made from ceramic material so we could fire the coil while scrunching. Now that'd be pretty cool, Loren.:)
 

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Good test Ray :)

I think one of the most apparent benefits to micrology is that the coils stay allot cleaner cause they're "self cleaning" each other due to their close proximity.

That said, I think that with some juices the benefits may be more obvious day two or three rather than immediately.

With my juice, the difference in flavor (or lack thereof) is not necessarily as discernible, but the vapor is more copious and the TH is adjustable by coil elevation - an adjustment that's just not as easily attainable with a big ol' standard coil.

Additionally, I believe that the vape stays more in the optimum zone because you are relying less on wicking with a small bore coil and minimal wick. With a micro and short cotton wick, the juice is being supplied directly to all faces of the coil with a squonk whereas in a larger bore horizontal coil, gravity has more effect on the liquid causing it to collect in the bottom portion of wick.

Here's another side effect to a 12+ wrap micro with heavier gauge (I now run 27 ga) wire: you can dial in the vape to be like a "light" cig by firing and hitting right away or like a "red" by firing for 3-4 seconds then hitting while continuing to fire. This is because the coil takes longer to heat up with a 12 + wrap 27 ga micro. You get several vape personalities from the same micro build and can chose which you want at any given time just by fire / vape interval :)

I always enjoy tests and data, especially when it's from a source as credible as you bro.

Very well said Ray.

First of all let me say that I think you are the micro coil guru and that I appreciate the kind words. Understand, that as I write this I am vaping a micro coil and it's great. Vaping for me is probably the most subjective thing I have ever encountered. With the myriad of variables that comprise the user experience its a wonder that we can agree on anything. As you said of tantamount importance is the juice. Each comes with its own taste, throat hit and vaper and each of us, with that same juice, will experience something different.

The one thing that I think we all can agree on is that an RM2 on a REO is the bomb.

PS: Building micro coils IS fun and gratifying. And their pretty.
 
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