Bumping the ProV Limit...

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Yep, I get it now. I couldn't use much wattage before w/out getting a harsh burnt taste. Due I'm sure to flaws in my set-ups, anything above the resistance reading +2 volts went haywire. The last few I've done seem to handle all the power I can throw at em & the vape is at a whole different level. The thing is, I'm not exactly sure what I'm doing differently. Blind hawg syndrome maybe? :confused:
 

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yes, so you can up the wattages & amps compared to the restrictions imposed on vv devices. this extra power can run a thicker wire which also equals better flavor.

Theoretical question: if you maintain 15watts going through any number of setups that vary amps, ohms and volts, will the vape remain the same for any particular juice? Or are there certain combinations of these variables, while maintaining 15watts, that will out perform other combinations? ...that is, in terms of flavor and vapor. For instance, .8ohm, 3.5v, 4.3amp = 15watts. Likewise, 1.5ohm, 4.7v, 3.1amp = 15watts. Would there be a performance difference between these two setups and why? If not, a device like the Provari V2 should be able to handle the same 15watt vape as a mech, right? Of course, at sub ohm setups, I understand the need for a mech due to the amp limit on the ProV2, but 15watts is a pretty powerful vape.
 

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15watts is a pretty powerful vape

You're darn tootin' it is!! It's amazing. I have 3 RBAs w/3 different juices & I'm vaping em all at the max of what the provari will deliver. And every aspect of the vape is more powerful than it was w/less power. I wish I knew why I was only recently able to do this w/out burning my juice. I'm thinking that small hotspots in my earlier set-ups were the culprit. I don't see how wicking could've improved cause they're the same wicks. Maybe they seasoned or something? I've changed coils a few times but these have been running for a week or so. I just started bumping up the volts yesterday & I never got to the burnt stage. I donno.
 

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I've been vaping Bounty Hunter all day at 4.9v on a 2ohm coil. It was just so so, kinda missing something. I thought I still needed to break in the wick, which I set up last night. Then, after posting in this thread, I got a bug up my ... and cranked my ProV2 up to 5.5v - 15watts. WHAT A f@#@#%$% DIFFERENCE! Flavor out the wazoo!

Glad this thread got me thinking about high power vaping.
 

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Theoretically, a coil as low as .8Ω will work on a Provari, version 2. However, you can only get slightly over 10 watts, at 2.9 volts, before the 3.5 amp cut off is reached.
The point at which the 3.5 amp limit, and the 15.0 watt limit converge, is approximately 1.2Ω, and between 4.2 and 4.3 volts. For this reason, as long as coils are kept above 1.2Ω, but no higher than 2.4Ω, the 15.0 watts can be reached.
Personally, I run mine, on the Provari, at 1.2 to 1.4Ω, with 30ga kanthal.
 

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Theoretical question: if you maintain 15watts going through any number of setups that vary amps, ohms and volts, will the vape remain the same for any particular juice? Or are there certain combinations of these variables, while maintaining 15watts, that will out perform other combinations? ...that is, in terms of flavor and vapor. For instance, .8ohm, 3.5v, 4.3amp = 15watts. Likewise, 1.5ohm, 4.7v, 3.1amp = 15watts. Would there be a performance difference between these two setups and why? If not, a device like the Provari V2 should be able to handle the same 15watt vape as a mech, right? Of course, at sub ohm setups, I understand the need for a mech due to the amp limit on the ProV2, but 15watts is a pretty powerful vape.

There is a big difference imo, since it's not really about the watts itself, but the wire temperature when fired. a lower gauge wire will be thicker, thus making its resistance to heat better than a thinner, higher gauge wire. This is why RBAs are used to its full potential with 28g wire or lower because of this. when you have tried vaping sub ohm RBAs with 28g wire or something low gauged(ribbon wire, etc.) on a mech, you'd start to think that watts and volts is only a number. You wouldn't think of them AT ALL, you'd just think how intense your vape was like with that setup.
 

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Yep. 1.2ohm is the same conclusion I came up with screwing around with the Ohm's Law calculator. Now that I've experienced 15watt performance, you know I'm gonna have to try higher power with my mech. Wait... I can set 6v with this setup... lets see... 6v check, tilt to wet check... E1. Damn it!!! :) That's only 3 amps??? The proV2 has a watt limit too?
 

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Yep. 1.2ohm is the same conclusion I came up with screwing around with the Ohm's Law calculator. Now that I've experienced 15watt performance, you know I'm gonna have to try higher power with my mech. Wait... I can set 6v with this setup... lets see... 6v check, tilt to wet check... E1. Damn it!!! :) That's only 3 amps??? The proV2 has a watt limit too?

Yes. 15.0 watt limit. 3.5 amp limit.
 

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There is a big difference imo, since it's not really about the watts itself, but the wire temperature when fired. a lower gauge wire will be thicker, thus making its resistance to heat better than a thinner, higher gauge wire. This is why RBAs are used to its full potential with 28g wire or lower because of this. when you have tried vaping sub ohm RBAs with 28g wire or something low gauged(ribbon wire, etc.) on a mech, you'd start to think that watts and volts is only a number. You wouldn't think of them AT ALL, you'd just think how intense your vape was like with that setup.

That, my friend, was exactly the info I was looking for. Thanks :)
 

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I wonder how much difference there is in the performance between different resistance coils (1.2+) all run at 15W?

This is where the experimentation comes in. There's more to it than just coil resistance and watts. Wire gauge, number of wraps, thickness of wick, will all come into play.
 

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This is the Ohm's Law calculator I use. My current favorite setup is 1.2ohms at 3.8v which gives 12watts and 3.1amps.. well within the Provari's limits and an awesome vape :)

That's about the set up I use. Except that I sometimes push the watts higher, depending on the juice. Lately, I've been using an Ohms Law calculator app I found for my phone.
 

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That's about the set up I use. Except that I sometimes push the watts higher, depending on the juice. Lately, I've been using an Ohms Law calculator app I found for my phone.

yea, I've played around with the wattage too. I know that some like the 15+ wattage and that's fine. For myself, I like a cooler vape and have found that 12watts with the combo of ohms and volts stated above is where I like it. I was afraid that once I got a mech, my Provari's would sit but that isn't the case and I'm so glad. I'm glad that I can get the vape I want on the equiptment I have. I'll keep a .8 setup for the mech and enjoy it. I like the variety. My rbas have 3 different size air holes and I get a different vape from each one of them.

Life is good :D
 
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