Burning Juice?

[Cowboy Cru]

I have had some issue's with my juice tasting burnt sometimes lately, especially with my Kick. I use a 50/50 mix. But I usually use 24mg. I believe I read somewhere someone talking about juice tasting burnt easier at higher mg levels when the volts go up? I usually vape at about 4.5 volts. I am thinking about dropping to 18mg if this is true and would fix the problem. Another reason I considered dropping to 18mg was because I have heard some people claim that anything above 18 seems to start to diminish the taste? Or could it be my 50/50 mix being too thin still? Thanks for any info on this.

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[EleanorR]

CC, try dropping your voltage, or using a higher ohm atty/carto (i.e., whatever it takes to reduce the wattage).

Some juices definitely are too frail for higher-voltage vaping; I don't think the nic level has any impact at all (although I could be wrong about that).

 

[Cowboy Cru]

CC, try dropping your voltage, or using a higher ohm atty/carto (i.e., whatever it takes to reduce the wattage).

Some juices definitely are too frail for higher-voltage vaping; I don't think the nic level has any impact at all (although I could be wrong about that).

Hey, Thanks for the info! A fellow Missourian at that! Hello neighbor! I agree, the nic level doesn't seem like it would matter, but I have this itching on the back of my neck that says I thought I heard someone say that (of course I need a hair cut too). Anyway, I do use 3 ohm carto's and therefor only vape around 6.75 watts. I am wondering if it could be just the juice I use. Which, if you read this, what are your thoughts on flavor being affected at higher nic levels? I started out at 18 and since moved up to 24. After doing so, it seemed like most of my favorite flav's went downhill. And again, I thought I remember hearing someone mention that as well. Of course, these people I "hear" could either not know what the hell they are talking about, or they are just the voices in my head. Well, two of the Many voices in my head!

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[wokkerk]

have you tried dripping your juices to see if it gives you a different flavor? I know that there are quite a few people who feel that the carto filler really alters the flavors of your juice. are the carto's you are using dual coil? If they aren't...just for testing purposes I would throw on a 3ohm atty on the same mod and drip some juices to see what that leaves you with.

 

[Wishdog]

Maybe you're toasting your carto. Does it feel this way on a fresh carto?

I use a standard 3.7 batt and 2.0 cartos currently and I only get burn when I'm dumb and just burn the carto. (Going to CE3's and tanks to rememdy this personal flaw. )

 

[EleanorR]

Anyway, I do use 3 ohm carto's and therefor only vape around 6.75 watts. I am wondering if it could be just the juice I use. Which, if you read this, what are your thoughts on flavor being affected at higher nic levels? I started out at 18 and since moved up to 24. After doing so, it seemed like most of my favorite flav's went downhill. And again, I thought I remember hearing someone mention that as well. Of course, these people I "hear" could either not know what the hell they are talking about, or they are just the voices in my head. Well, two of the Many voices in my head!-CC

It probably is that particular juice. (Fruit flavors, and some bakery/dessert flavors, are especially delicate.)

As Wishdog noted above, make sure your cartos are fully saturated -- I too use 3.0 ohm cartos, and find it necessary (because of the tighter fill packing) to use both a syringe and the "Taryn spin" method to adequately fill a new carto.

As for high nic affecting juice flavors: 24mg is definitely a higher nic level, and you're probably getting "flavor interference" from the extra "burn" (trigeminal nerve stimulation) it provides -- a lot of people describe the flavor as "peppery" (yuk!).

 

[Wishdog]

Not only that, but I'm using VG.

I do the spin even when refreshing my cartos. I tend to burn my cartos when I'm really involved in something. The burn taste creeps up on me, and by the time I realize I'm doing the analog equivalent of burning the filter, it's all over.

Not a big deal, not like I do this daily or anything.

In addition, if even a new carto is tasting that way, maybe they're getting burnt in the first session.

 

[Cowboy Cru]

have you tried dripping your juices to see if it gives you a different flavor? I know that there are quite a few people who feel that the carto filler really alters the flavors of your juice. are the carto's you are using dual coil? If they aren't...just for testing purposes I would throw on a 3ohm atty on the same mod and drip some juices to see what that leaves you with.

Hey, thanks for the input wok! It's funny you mentioned dripping, I have not nor do I own a decent atty. That is next on my list of things to buy and try! I am not using DC carto's cause they are not friendly with my mods setups. So, you are right, if I throw on a 3ohm atty it would be a great comparison to my 3ohm carto's! More and more I realize I need a decent atty! Any suggestions in that area without spending a fortune?

 

[Cowboy Cru]

Maybe you're toasting your carto. Does it feel this way on a fresh carto?

I use a standard 3.7 batt and 2.0 cartos currently and I only get burn when I'm dumb and just burn the carto. (Going to CE3's and tanks to rememdy this personal flaw. )

Unfortunately, it does feel this way on a new super-saturated carto!

 

[Cowboy Cru]

It probably is that particular juice. (Fruit flavors, and some bakery/dessert flavors, are especially delicate.)

As Wishdog noted above, make sure your cartos are fully saturated -- I too use 3.0 ohm cartos, and find it necessary (because of the tighter fill packing) to use both a syringe and the "Taryn spin" method to adequately fill a new carto.

As for high nic affecting juice flavors: 24mg is definitely a higher nic level, and you're probably getting "flavor interference" from the extra "burn" (trigeminal nerve stimulation) it provides -- a lot of people describe the flavor as "peppery" (yuk!).

You may have hit the nail on the head with all of that. It's funny, because it has been more bakery flavors affected harder. And you are right, the "peppery" flavor in my cinnamon danish swirl isn't cool at all. Almost unvapeable! I think I for sure made my decision to move back to 18. However, two things with that. I am worried of losing that TH with a 50/50 mix. At the same time, I do not want to go to the next level my fav vendor will do which is 75/25 for worry of losing vapor production! Dang it, I really wish they would do like a 60/40 or something where I order from!

 

[Cowboy Cru]

Not only that, but I'm using VG.

I do the spin even when refreshing my cartos. I tend to burn my cartos when I'm really involved in something. The burn taste creeps up on me, and by the time I realize I'm doing the analog equivalent of burning the filter, it's all over.

Not a big deal, not like I do this daily or anything.

In addition, if even a new carto is tasting that way, maybe they're getting burnt in the first session.

For sure a good point, but I don't think it is the carto's. It is a different burn. If I switch to a 3.7 volt device it goes away. But I am happiest at 4.5 volts, which is making me think more and more it is the juice.I wonder if it could be something the vendor is using? Are there certain juices designed for higher voltages you think?

 

[wokkerk]

Hey, thanks for the input wok! It's funny you mentioned dripping, I have not nor do I own a decent atty. That is next on my list of things to buy and try! I am not using DC carto's cause they are not friendly with my mods setups. So, you are right, if I throw on a 3ohm atty it would be a great comparison to my 3ohm carto's! More and more I realize I need a decent atty! Any suggestions in that area without spending a fortune?

There are so many different good setups out there that believe it or not getting a good atty or two is really inexpensive. If you look for Cisco atomizers they are under 10 bucks and do a really good job. Even the Joye Atomizers are really good and they do last a good long time if you make sure you blow them out and clean them from time to time.

 

[Cowboy Cru]

There are so many different good setups out there that believe it or not getting a good atty or two is really inexpensive. If you look for Cisco atomizers they are under 10 bucks and do a really good job. Even the Joye Atomizers are really good and they do last a good long time if you make sure you blow them out and clean them from time to time.

Nice! Thanks buddy! I will check those out for sure!

 

[Wishdog]

If I switch to a 3.7 volt device it goes away. But I am happiest at 4.5 volts...

Gwhat?

How can you be happier burning your stuff? I know I'd be happier with not burning my stuff.

This goes beyond what I can understand as individual preferences.

 

[brummyjon]

Gwhat?

How can you be happier burning your stuff? I know I'd be happier with not burning my stuff.

This goes beyond what I can understand as individual preferences.

Well, you have to say that's a pretty fair point.

 

[EleanorR]

If you have nothing to offer to actually help the OP . . . perhaps it's best to keep your thoughts to yourself.

 

[Cowboy Cru]

Gwhat?

How can you be happier burning your stuff? I know I'd be happier with not burning my stuff.

This goes beyond what I can understand as individual preferences.

Well, good point. Here is the wierd thing. I started out on 3.7 devices and moved to a VV device and found that I loved the TH and even the flavor at that time with around 4.3 to 4.5 volts. However, since then I have getting more of a burnt taste. I am starting to think as we talk that it could be the juice flavors now compared to then, and the fact I crept up to 24mg from 18. The wierd thing is, I have more trouble with the burning with my drop-in Kick module than my other VV device. So, there could be something going on there as well. Someone else mentioned to me about shaving down the threads on my 510 connection to allow better airflow to the Kick to fix it, but I believe that is about the last thing I want to do. I see that going south real fast! Lol. Unfortunately 3.7 just doesn't cut it for me anymore, but trying to dial in above that does seem to be aweful finicky, which is what I am trying to figure out. Lol.

 

[Cowboy Cru]

If you have nothing to offer to actually help the OP . . . perhaps it's best to keep your thoughts to yourself.

Thank You Eleanor very much. I was thinking that a little myself. But I try my best to keep the conversation going to try to learn as much as I can. Unfortunately I do have to overlook certain posts that do not seem to be beneficial at all to the thread or OP. So I really appreciate you pointing that out for so many reasons. I tell you, vaping has been one amazing ride. Just when it seems like I have something dialed in or figured out, I get thrown a curve ball. Of course, I like to try new things and really make it a hobby, for I really feel it saved my life (literally, some previous, serious health issues). It seems like when I feel I have learned everything there is to know, I end up with something wierd going on. Sometimes as simple as why my damn juice wants to taste burned all the sudden when it didn't before! Lol. The body also plays some games I think if you know what I mean. Anyway, Thanks again. And Thanks for you guys writing in here, keep it coming and maybe I will figure this out. But, I think some of you may have started me on the right path for me to examine my juice mix more!

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