Burning throat hit!!!

[Deb_atable]

Hi guys! I'm not exactly a baby to vaping, I'm going on six months now. I started with an ego slim, but quickly decided that wasn't for me and went straight to the 900 mAh ego. I know, I know! I'm saving up for my mod, don't judge me! Funds are low! Lol

Anyway, I recently went to a local vapor store called Smokeless Smoking in Bloomington, MN, and got my first rda. It's just a little single coil, hex key screws. I've seen it on some sites referred to as the "Mighty Mite" or the "Little Devil" but I swear the guy at the vape shop called it something different, it basically looks like the Scar but in a mini! Anyway, I've got it set up with a micro coil with cotton ball wicking, and when the guy at the store first set it up for me, it was awesome. 1.5 ohm, plumes of vapor, awesome flavor, good throat hit, etc. Then the first time I had to replace the wicking, I got the worst throat hit! Harsh and burning, makes me cough and wheeze, everything. I've looked through here for all the similar threads and I've tried them ALL! I tried recoiling and upping the ohms to 2, nothing but less vapor, I've tried positioning the hole right in front of the coil, using less nicotine level in my juice (though I never had a problem in my 1.5 ohm DCT with carto) I've tried upping the VG into juices, checking to make sure the wick is saturated, soaking and torching and burning off excess fluid, EVERYTHING!

I'm at the end of my rope here, I LOVE how it hit, the vapor and the flavor when he wicked it for me and I want that again but I can't figure what I'm doing wrong!! The only thing I can figure it left is wicking the cotton ball wrong, but again, I've watched a plethora of videos on it as well, and can't see how I'm doing anything different! Please, anyone with new suggestions, let me know! Thanks so much!

 

[anavidfan]

Sounds like you have a short somewhere, coil must be touching metal somewhere. Its happened to me, it can be a tough time working with your first rebuildable. Dont use it as is, the burned smoke, which is what it is now, not vapor is bad.

Try making another coil and make sure when you cut the left over bit of wire sticking out of the posts are cut as close to the screw/nut whatever. Also make sure your coil is not touching the top cover/ cap etc.

If worse comes to worse go back to your vape store and ask for help. It really helps to have a "coach" thats why you pay the extra at a local store, at least they can help. WHen you buy online its less expensive but you dont get the hands on help.

I assume you have a multimeter to test your atomizer before puttting it on your device? IF not its a must, its good to know you dont have a short before trying it out. Even then sometimes you can have a short. SOmetimes even a loose connection can cause a hot spot.

I hope some one with more know how comes in and helps out.

 

[Sickkboy]

The first time that you changed wicks, I assume you didn't change the coils, and I guess you use too much cotton.

When you rebuilt the coils to 2 ohms, did you check is there any short or hot legs? if you setup correctly there shouldn't be anywhere at coils grow red when you saturate the wick and test fire.

 

[polpol]

Do the coils glow evenly from the center? (Test fire without cotton!)

If it's not a hot spot, then it sounds like a wicking problem. Not getting enough juice to the coils would feel about the same as having a hot spot; kills the back of your throat.

Btw, hot spots on silica are much more forgiving than cotton. I always advise learning to make a " normal" coil before going micro + cotton

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[happydave]

check this out http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cussion/498945-my-build-ego-octopus-mini.html
this is a great entry level build.
there is a learning curve with cotton and its not very forgiving. once its burnt you should throw it out and start over
you might be able to just rewick the same coil with out removing the coil. with out looking at your setup i cant tell you for sure.
Hope This helps.

 

[Deb_atable]

Thanks for all the great advice! I do have a meter and my coil is reading at 1.98 ohms. After building, I dry fired and it is heating from the center out, looks perfect, and after heating it, I used my tweezers to pinch the coils closed as my guy at the vapor lounge taught me, it's staying closed, looks like a perfect build, no metal touching anywhere and after saturating the wick with juice, I fire it up and there's no glow or burning so I don't think it's a hot spot either. It's not my first build as I've done a regular build with silica cord, but it was my first micro. It's only 8 wraps (around a small screwdriver, you know those little metal ones? Slightly larger than my eyeglass kit one, I think it's a 1/16) I added about 1 ml of VG to my juice I was using and there was only about 5 ml left in the bottle. That helped, along with repositioning the air hole. Before I positioned at it as my vape guy did with aligning it with the negative post then turning it just past that to where it was aligned with the coil. Now I turned it slightly more towards the coil where it's almost diagonally parallel with the coil. This has made the throat hit near perfect, however, now it seems to be detracting from the taste just a bit! It's still num, don't get me wrong, but I was getting way more flavor before. However, vapor production is incredible now so I guess I can't complain. Maybe the solution was a combo of repositioning the hole along with a higher VG ratio than I was using.

Now that I have that fixed, when my firefly atty gets here that I ordered (I couldn't resist, that thing is beautiful! And thankfully the air hole is traditional rather than being placed on the bottom like the squid) I'll go back and build another 1.5 or maybe a 1.7 to see if I can get some flavor back!

 

[Deb_atable]

If it continues to be an issue, happydave, I'll take a pic of it and post it, not with and without a wick and see if any further help can be gleaned from that

 

[Deb_atable]

I'm not a fan of the mini octopus, or the squid as madvapes calls it, the air hole being threaded through the bottom leads to a lot of gurgling and what not. I tried one that someone had at the vapor lounge and I wasn't impressed after using mine. Plus it's a bit of a tight draw and I like a more airy one, I had the vape store still out my hole on my rda since I don't have a drill!

 

[happydave]

I'm not a fan of the mini octopus, or the squid as madvapes calls it, the air hole being threaded through the bottom leads to a lot of gurgling and what not. I tried one that someone had at the vapor lounge and I wasn't impressed after using mine. Plus it's a bit of a tight draw and I like a more airy one, I had the vape store still out my hole on my rda since I don't have a drill!

the mini octopus has only one air hole half way up on the side. the full sized octopus has one in the bottom and like you said its leaky and gurgly. yeah im not a fan of the full sized octopus but the Mini octopus is Wicked Awesome.

 

[Deb_atable]

Okay, then I think it's just like the firefly atty I got, it looks exactly like the mini octopus, but it's see through white, like frosted glass. Even comes with a clear drip tip, though it's the normal contoured one so I'll probably get a clear Ming or pawn to go with it. I know a lot of people here aren't fans of gotvapes, but they shipped out next day and I haven't had any issues so far. But his response to that one thread was a little douchy lol.

I'll see if that one when it comes in will make a difference in my issue.

 

[Deb_atable]

Okay, I took pics of my coil all wicked and ready so maybe someone can tell me from looking at it, I've got one before I added fluid from the too, then one looking straight at the coil, then after I wet it with juice. Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong?

 

[devauto]

Well, after looking at the pics, it would appear your fingers were dipped in sprinkles ... but somehow I don't think that is the problem

Seriously though, it looks like a pretty clean coil/wicking job to me.

 

[anavidfan]

Again not really experienced in microcoils, I think thats what you were after? I see spaces on the coil. If you werent after a microcoil, maybe its because some of the coils are touching. Looks good, again, I cant see where your air intake is located. Your coil does not appear to be choking off the wick.

You might try to torch your coil and with a pair of pliers scrunch them together tighter to make it more solid?

Could be a conductivity problem between your 510 connection and the top contact? Or loose wires at the screws? My Kayfun was having similar problems and it turn out that the insulators at the posts were loose and causing a short.

 

[Deb_atable]

Hrm. Now there's something I haven't thought of as far as the connections go. I did torch, you never get them perfect, even the professional at the vape shop was all perfectly touching. Bit yeah, maybe it's a connection somewhere

 

[Deb_atable]

And ha ha! Pardon my chipped and colorful nail polish! Lol

 

[happydave]

How To Make A Perfect Micro Coil With The Darkzero Coil Jig - YouTube

hope this helps!

 

[Sickkboy]

Your coils look a lot neater than mine and how on earth it vape like crap, now I'm confused.

 

[Enoch777]

The first time that you changed wicks, I assume you didn't change the coils, and I guess you use too much cotton.

Was thinking the exact same thing. Cotton should be pretty loose when you install it in a micro coil. Enough to fill it, but not so much that there's resistance when pulling it through.

Deb: as I learned through my experience and also by having it pointed out to me... that's not really a micro coil but more akin to a mini coil. These are good performers but sometimes lack in taste depending on how tight you get those wraps.

Here's the coil I'm using for one of my current builds, and the flavor is outstanding:

 

[Deb_atable]

So how do you get it that tight?? I e fired and fired and torched and squeezed with pliers, but still, the tightest I can get is what you see. Mind you, I'm not trying to reach sub ohms or anything, as I'm only running on a 900 mAh Ego, I like around 1.8 or less depending on the juice, every so often I like a 2 ohm. It it's rare. I'd appreciate any help you could offer in how to get mine tighter like yours, Enoch777

 

[happydave]

Did you torch the wire a bit before wrapping it?