Buzz Pro or Kicked Xhaler ??

[Water 4 Fuel]

I'm ready to order this weekend !!!
I really think either would be an excellent 1st E Cig.
I like the hit control on the Buzz,but also like the vari wattage of the Xhaler.
The Buzz would be simple adust on on the go.
Xhaler is a totally different animal,but has it's good points.
Also; sugguestions on juice always appreciated.

 

[six]

If I were looking at those two options, I'd go with the Buzz. The main reason being your ability to adjust on the fly. If Variable Voltage/ Variable Wattage are the feature that is most important to you for a PV, then I think the word "variable" is the important thing. Both do happen to provide "variable" but the 'varying' part is a lot more simple/realistic with the buzz.

I think the creators of the kick had customers with existing 18650 tube mods in mind. Not that I think they would want to turn down any interested customers, but the point and purpose is a relatively inexpensive add-in that increases functionality.

EDIT/ADDITION:

If you're close (within a week) to making a decision and purchasing, then this thread will interest you.

 

[Firefly13]

The Buzz looks too 'home-made' for me, plus the new venting on the sides looks silly, then on top of that it's useless if the circuitry fails. I'd rather have the kicked Xhaler.

 

[six]

The Buzz looks too 'home-made' for me, plus the new venting on the sides looks silly, then on top of that it's useless if the circuitry fails. I'd rather have the kicked Xhaler.

The new design is because of the ECF administrators/owners... not much mod makers are going to be able to do besides modify their designs to implement slots in the sides or watch their sales dwindle. - If the kick's circuitry fails, you're in the same boat if you bought it for a new PV rather than for an existing PV you already have batteries for. If it fails, you're done vaping until you buy a bigger batery or RMA or replace your kick.

 

[Nomoreash]

I'd go for the BP, especially now with the sale you can get it with 2 pair of batteries + charger cheaper than the Kicked XHaler without batteries or charger. Also the Kick has a 10 watt limit which might be an issue if you're a fan of DC.

 

[Nomoreash]

The Buzz looks too 'home-made' for me, plus the new venting on the sides looks silly, then on top of that it's useless if the circuitry fails. I'd rather have the kicked Xhaler.

It's far from a home-maid look, just not as flashy with meters and lights as some of the competition. If the circuitry fails in the kick it's useless also. If either of these had a history of failings I could see that being a deciding factor but they don't.

 

[Firefly13]

It's far from a home-maid look, just not as flashy with meters and lights as some of the competition. If the circuitry fails in the kick it's useless also. If either of these had a history of failings I could see that being a deciding factor but they don't.

If the circuitry fails in the Kick, the mod is not rendered useless.... you can always use different batteries.

 

[six]

If the circuitry fails in the Kick, the mod is not rendered useless.... you can always use different batteries.

If you have them. The OP is looking at a new purchase. I suppose if one thinks ahead and expects a failure, they might also buy an appropriate battery for that event and store it.

 

[pumasforpets]

The Buzz looks too 'home-made' for me, plus the new venting on the sides looks silly, then on top of that it's useless if the circuitry fails. I'd rather have the kicked Xhaler.

Any metal tube mod maker who doesn't want their sales to drop dramatically will be using a similar design from this point forward. You can thank Rolygate and ECF for APVs looking disgusting

 

[Firefly13]

Any metal tube mod maker who doesn't want their sales to drop dramatically will be using a similar design from this point forward. You can thank Rolygate and ECF for APVs looking disgusting

I won't be buying any PV's with holes that ruin the look of the mod like that, if anything it's gonna make people like me not buy them. My Precise Plus doesn't have silly massive gaps down the sides it looks nice.

 

[six]

I won't be buying any PV's with holes that ruin the look of the mod like that, if anything it's gonna make people like me not buy them. My Precise Plus doesn't have silly massive gaps down the sides it looks nice.

You should check out some of the ECF generated threads about the design modifications they are expecting from the mod makers. They seem to have pulled back a little from their original position, but it sounds like they won't allow vendors to participate on ECF without conforming to ECF's new specifications (including slots in the sides of tube mods). The pull back on that just happened on VTVP the other night when Rolygate said mod makers (he mentioned the silver bullet specifically) could argue that they have a safety record if they know of thermal incidents and battery explosions in their products that did not result in injury.

So, future versions of the Precise and all other tube mods will change by June to incorporate the slots in the sides or the vendors will face the possibility/likelihood of being booted from ECF.... at least that's how I've understood ECFs position. There has been a bit of back and forth and some backlash from non-vendor members of ECF (regular ECF members like you and me), so perhaps it's still up in the air.

EDIT: It appears either the position has changed or I misunderstood to begin with. The position is currently that if a vendor does not comply, ECF will actively discourage customers from buying whatever mod does not comply unless the vendor is able to make the safety record argument I stated above. Here it is.

 

[pumasforpets]

I won't be buying any PV's with holes that ruin the look of the mod like that, if anything it's gonna make people like me not buy them. My Precise Plus doesn't have silly massive gaps down the sides it looks nice.

Then you should let said manufacturers know that they have lost business specifically due to ECF's EMSS guidelines so that they may bring that issue up with ECF management. EMSS was a bad idea with intentions that are not necessarily all that bad.

Builders can take action against ECF if they 1. lose sales due to not complying with EMSS, 2. lose sales because they complied with EMSS and 3. now have a liability safe harbor when their mod that complies with EMSS injures someone.

 

[Creniker]

You should check out some of the ECF generated threads about the design modifications they are expecting from the mod makers. They seem to have pulled back a little from their original position, but it sounds like they won't allow vendors to participate on ECF without conforming to ECF's new specifications (including slots in the sides of tube mods). The pull back on that just happened on VTVP the other night when Rolygate said mod makers (he mentioned the silver bullet specifically) could argue that they have a safety record if they know of thermal incidents and battery explosions in their products that did not result in injury.

So, future versions of the Precise and all other tube mods will change by June to incorporate the slots in the sides or the vendors will face the possibility/likelihood of being booted from ECF.... at least that's how I've understood ECFs position. There has been a bit of back and forth and some backlash from non-vendor members of ECF (regular ECF members like you and me), so perhaps it's still up in the air.

EDIT: It appears either the position has changed or I misunderstood to begin with. The position is currently that if a vendor does not comply, ECF will actively discourage customers from buying whatever mod does not comply unless the vendor is able to make the safety record argument I stated above. Here it is.

Edit: Your edit covered what I was going to say.

Also I took this quote from the link you provided. "Metal tube mods that can only accept one battery are exempt at this time."

 

[inanitydefined]

Buzz pro for sure. The kicks 10w limit is a joke.
I find it interesting that they've specifically excluded single battery mods. They say stacked battery mods are far less safe, yet at any given time there are 1/2dozen threads about ego types blowing up and not a month ago I read about a provari almost going nuclear. Just strikes me funny is all

 

[six]

Edit: Your edit covered what I was going to say.

Also I took this quote from the link you provided. "Metal tube mods that can only accept one battery are exempt at this time."

I hope the OP will forgive us all for the total thread hijack:

I'm baffled by this... on so many levels. Just for instance: The first time I looked at the SB, there was a really clear warning from Chad about stacking batts. He said flat out don't do it. I've seen very similar warnings and statements on sites from nhaler to electronicstix to cov to super-t to lots-of-different-places. On VTPV, Rolygate singled Chad out by mentioning that there are at least three known incidents for the SB. He went on to say that there are mod vendors who don't sleep at night because they know they have tubes out there that are potentially dangerous. ---> So, If I sell you an 18650 mod that can hold stacked 16340s or even stacked 18350s but tell you not to do that, is my mod a single batt mod or is it a stacked batt mod? What if I sell you a 14500 mod? A pair of 14250s fit and some people do indeed put up with short charge times to enjoy 6.0v vaping with their 14500 mods. Is that a single batt mod or a stacked batt mod if I never intended anyone to stack 14250's?

The other reasons for my befuddlement on the single vs stacked statement include all the normal stuff we always read about such as a single big battery having more energy density than a pair of smaller batts plus the handful of thermal runaway reports I've read over the last year about shorted 18650s and etc etc etc.

 

[retird]

To the OP....Buzz mod is Variable voltage and the Kick is variable wattage...BIG difference....I use Variable Wattage and actually have a Kick....I do not place comments about a mod that I have not tried...you may see negative comments about the Kick....ask them if they have one?

 

[pumasforpets]

I hope the OP will forgive us all for the total thread hijack:

I'm baffled by this... on so many levels. Just for instance: The first time I looked at the SB, there was a really clear warning from Chad about stacking batts. He said flat out don't do it. I've seen very similar warnings and statements on sites from nhaler to electronicstix to cov to super-t to lots-of-different-places. On VTPV, Rolygate singled Chad out by mentioning that there are at least three known incidents for the SB. He went on to say that there are mod vendors who don't sleep at night because they know they have tubes out there that are potentially dangerous. ---> So, If I sell you an 18650 mod that can hold stacked 16340s or even stacked 18350s but tell you not to do that, is my mod a single batt mod or is it a stacked batt mod? What if I sell you a 14500 mod? A pair of 14250s fit and some people do indeed put up with short charge times to enjoy 6.0v vaping with their 14500 mods. Is that a single batt mod or a stacked batt mod if I never intended anyone to stack 14250's?

The other reasons for my befuddlement on the single vs stacked statement include all the normal stuff we always read about such as a single big battery having more energy density than a pair of smaller batts plus the handful of thermal runaway reports I've read over the last year about shorted 18650s and etc etc etc.

I'd really like to know exactly what single cell sizes can not be duplicated using 2 smaller cells...

 

[Creniker]

I imagine it would hard to find 2 smaller cells that would work in a 10440 mod.

 

[pumasforpets]

I imagine it would hard to find 2 smaller cells that would work in a 10440 mod.

True...but that size battery isn't safe to use in a PV anyway. Why? They tend to be around 350mAh. Using a 2.0 ohm carto at a meager 6.845 watts would take 1.85amps. That sort of draw is about 5.3C which even the IMR versions are not designed to handle.

 

[tearose50]

This is a cut and paste from the debated thread:

2012-03-17
New design exemption added to Exceptions.

Exceptions

In some circumstances, there may be good reasons to exempt a mod from some provisions of EMSS, or to modify (reduce) the compliance requirements. Some examples are given below.

1. A perforated tube such as the stainless tubes linked to at the bottom does not require gas vent slots assuming that the design chosen does not have minimal perforations and the cross-sectional vent area exceeds 500mm2.

2. A box section ('square tube') mod would not require distributed vents since it is unlikely that gas venting down the tube can be blocked by a swollen battery. A vent slot cross-sectional area reduced by 50% seems appropriate. We would need to confer with the mod designer on this.

3. If a fully-electronic mod cannot operate with two batteries inserted then, at this point in time, we consider it exempt. In other words if it shuts down when supplied with >5 volts then it can be classed as a single-battery mod and thus exempt.

4. NC mills (computer controlled milling machines) have been shown capable of executing complex designs for slot formation, including art designs, or the brand name in slot form. Provided that (a) the cross-sectional area is sufficient and (b) the slots are distributed well so that potential high-pressure areas at the top and bottom of the tube are covered, such designs are acceptable. We would need to confer with the mod designer on this.

5. Completely new mod designs with innovations such as internal vent channels (and provision for equalising the venting gas thrust directions so that a rocket-mode fail is not caused) may well be completely exempt from EMSS. One reason for the introduction of the specification was so that other, better designs are produced and new types of battery are investigated, since lithium cells are intrinsically unsafe. An example of the new design must be presented for testing in order to receive an exemption.


Other exceptions may be allowed later.