Calif. Law - What do you guys think??

[sunnyskyez]

I just received this newsletter from VapeSafe.com: I just find it very hard to believe that our country is so worried about children and e-cigs.. 4000 bad stuff in reg and what like 2 bad in e-cigs? They have been selling flavored analogs for years. And quit frankly, if a kid wants something, he/she will find a way to get it. Its called being human... Read below what the VapeSafe newsletter said. However it could be a lot of hype to get people to buy more stuff. You be the judge.



20% Discount Code

As many of you may have seen in the discussions at the ECF, state governments are starting to sue eliquid manufacturers. The State of California claims, for example, that eCigarettes are being marketed to children and are trying to ban all eLiquids, cartridges, and cartomizers with flavors. We are currently in discussions with the Attorney General of California about our eliquid products, our flavors and our website.

At this point, we are unsure if we will be able to continue to sell eLiquids. Therefore, we have published a 20% discount code valid for all ONLINE orders of cartomizers, cartridges, eLiquid and disposable cigarettes before it is too late. This discount code is being released at all VapeSafe Socila Media Websites and in our VapeSafe Newsletter regardless of whether you are a California resident or not. This code is not valid for eCigarette Starter Kits or accessories and cannot be used for telephone orders. You must place your order online to receive the discount.

Please use coupon code, "20OFFVapeSafe" to receive the 20% off your order.

This coupon will expire on Sunday, April 17th of 2011.

The complete instructions for applying discount codes are available online at the VapeSafe Help Center by following this link: Applying Codes

As explained above, our weekend staff is made up of one person. If everyone were to call, she would not be able to talk to everyone and some people would miss out on the discount. Therefore, to be fair to all customers, discount codes cannot be redeemed with telephone orders.
New Age Verification Page

The State of California is starting to become seriously aggressive in their handling of electronic cigarette suppliers. After being pressured, we have been forced to add an "Age Verification" screen to the homepage of the VapeSafe.com website. The message is as follows:

VapeSafe.com is an Electronic Cigarette / eLiquid company that specializes in unique flavors that are designed for ADULT consumption only. Electronic cigarettes are an alternative to smoking traditional cigarettes, are sold for purely recreational purposes and are not for treating nicotine addiction. If you are a non-smoker, do not buy our products. Nicotine causes serious addiction. If you are not legally an adult, please exit our website immediately.

If you are a legal adult in your place of residence, please press the enter button. A cookie will be stored on your computer that has the "date" and "time" that you affirmed your age. For two weeks, you will be allowed access to the site without further being questioned about your age. After two weeks, the cookie will expire and you will once again be asked to reaffirm your age. No information about you will be collected or sent with the cookie. Its sole purpose is to make the experience as convenient as possible.

If you do not feel comfortable with cookies, feel free to delete it. Deleting the cookie or preventing it from working will force you to have to reaffirm your age everytime you view a page at VapeSafe.com. After deleting the cookie, your experience at VapeSafe.com might not be as smooth as it normally is.

We are very sorry for this inconvenience. Our hands are bound. We must use this "Age Verification" screen if we wish to remain in business.

Thanks again for your support and have a great weekend!

 

[sunnyskyez]

Oh yeah, they had to add an age confirm screen, big woop, how does the computer know if you are old enough!!!!

 

[DC2]

Every vaper has not only reason to be concerned, but an obligation to do something about it.
And every vendor has reason to be concerned as well.

Having said that, it sounds like they are trying to scare up some business.
If they have a specific reason to believe that their ability to sell juice is in question, they should have said so.

 

[Vap0rJay]

"Its the flavors" that attracts kids...
Because part of being an adult is having your tongue swell and fall off and are no longer able to taste. Being an adult must mean I cannot enjoy cotton candy and bubblegum and other enjoyable flavors.

 

[blacklung]

I had no clue kids were into e cigs?

but I'm not surprised to see California government stepping in and using children for the reasoning. (if the really are, I'm not on top of these current issues)

 

[pixiedust]

I just found this, so I would have to say that no juice seller is in imminent danger of being 'shut down'; nor does it sound like they are 'aggressively pursuing' sellers of e-cigs so I have reached the same conclusion as DC2: " Having said that, it sounds like they are trying to scare up some business."

January 2010 AG Sues Smoking Everywhere; November 2010 Settlement with Smoking Everywhere approved by Court.

In January 2010, The Attorney General sued Smoking Everywhere, one of the largest electronic cigarette retailers in the U.S., alleging it made false claims about its products, failed to warn consumers of dangerous reproductive toxins, marketed to minors and failed to have adequate quality control in place to protect consumers. The Attorney General's office settled its lawsuit against Smoking Everywhere in the fall, and in November 2010, the Alameda County Superior Court entered a consent judgment against Smoking Everywhere very similar to the agreement reached with Sottera. Smoking Everywhere agreed to make their web sites age-restricted so that they will not sell any electronic cigarette products to minors, and not to sell flavors attractive to young people. Smoking Everywhere also agreed to stop making false or misleading claims concerning the safety or effectiveness of their products. They agreed to put systems for quality control in place and to place warnings on their products in compliance with Proposition 65, warning consumers that their electronic cigarettes contain a toxin which could cause reproductive harm. Finally, the company agreed to pay to the state monetary penalties, attorneys’ fees and costs.

 

[ShannonA]

"Its the flavors" that attracts kids...
Because part of being an adult is having your tongue swell and fall off and are no longer able to taste. Being an adult must mean I cannot enjoy cotton candy and bubblegum and other enjoyable flavors.

Everyone knows that as soon as you turn 18 everything tastes like tobacco... sheesh!

 

[dormouse]

Some rebrand ecig company stopped selling all of its fruit/food flavored cartos.

 

[ShannonA]

Smoking Everywhere agreed to make their web sites age-restricted so that they will not sell any electronic cigarette products to minors, and not to sell flavors attractive to young people.

How do they determine which flavors fall into that category? Juice as a whole may not be in danger but flavors seem to be.

 

[ShannonA]

Some rebrand ecig company stopped selling all of its fruit/food flavored cartos.

Oh great sounds like they're winning the wars before it's begun... I wish someone could explain to me why it is ok to flavor liquor but not cigs e or no e.

 

[NicLiq]

I am very concerned about these laws, and as soon as I feel more educated, I will do my part.

It looks like they are trying to get some business. It seems like there has been an explosion of new vapers in the last month, or I might only be noticing because I am new. If these sites are watching other vendors sell out of equipment, they probably feel they should get more competitive with their pricing.

Logically, I can't seen kids wanting to vape. It's one thing to hide a pack of cigarettes and a whole other issue to charge, fill, recharge, order online, etc.

I started smoking as a kid when a brand called FREE was introduced. They were made out of cocoa leaves, tasted like burnt chocolate, and there was no age restriction to buy them because they weren't tobacco. So, I can understand the concern about the appeal to kids. I wish there was a solid age verification system in place online.

 

[Taniger1]

Wow Nic you and I are of an age. I REMEMBER the Free brand. I had been smoking for a year or two when they came out and tried them. Of course at that time, a pack of smokes cost a catostrophic 85cents a pack.

 

[razmatazthespaz]

i really need to educate myself on this!! as a californian i would hate to lose the flavored juice option!! i have yet try them, but it would be a shame!!

and i really can't see kids vaping, but what do i know, really! i started smoking when i was 14, i had NO PROBLEM finding ciggarettes so i think the kids that are gonna do it will find a way, banning them altogether is NOT a good solution to a "potential" problem, unless we are going to ban ALL addictive substances, which is not an option really..... ok i'm rambly, i'll stop now!

 

[DC2]

ok i'm rambly, i'll stop now!

No, you're not rambling at all.
In fact you are getting righteously disgusted.

At least I assume you are.
If you're not, just keep reading.


So yeah, if you're righteously disgusted, or even just mildly annoyed, we need you.
We need people to do what they can to help the cause.

So feel free to ramble as much as you want.

 

[ShannonA]

No, you're not rambling at all.
In fact you are getting righteously disgusted.

At least I assume you are.
If you're not, just keep reading.


So yeah, if you're righteously disgusted, or even just mildly annoyed, we need you.
We need people to do what they can to help the cause.

So feel free to ramble as much as you want.

QT the only way we're going to stop it is enough of us organize and stand up for our right to flavor... if we don't same thing will happen to liquids that happened to cigs... no taste

PS we need a frowny tongue option

 

[ook]

Your'e an absolute idiot if - u think u are vaping pg -vg-nicotine-pure

there's hundreds of idiot e-juice suppliers selling RUBBISH

Lets get this stuff SAFE!

 

[Carlito]

Figures. Oh well, not that big of a deal I guess. I think it really sucks though that just because a flavor sounds appealing that automatically means it's marketed towards kids.

 

[NicLiq]

Wow Nic you and I are of an age. I REMEMBER the Free brand. I had been smoking for a year or two when they came out and tried them. Of course at that time, a pack of smokes cost a catostrophic 85cents a pack.

You are the only other person I've found that remembers them (including the people I smoked them with LOL), so high five!

I don't think they were on the market very long. A few years ago I saw one of the big tobacco secret documents posted online that described how they planned to market them to teens.

 

[MickeyRat]

It's a state that consistently seems to believe, all evidence to the contrary that the government can run people's lives better than they can themselves. What the heck do you expect?

That said, I find it ironic that the same flavors in e-cig that they say appeal to children, are accepted in vodkas and liquers without a thought.

 

[hairball]

It's a state that consistently seems to believe, all evidence to the contrary that the government can run people's lives better than they can themselves. What the heck do you expect?

That said, I find it ironic that the same flavors in e-cig that they say appeal to children, are accepted in vodkas and liquers without a thought.

Alcohol is FDA approved...we're not.

I think that the FDA is telling states to ban them within themselves since they can't do it Federally. We are going to see more and more states join the bandwagon.