Can someone explain to me simply the problems with Vaping overseas ?

[Catanonia]

Here in the UK it is the new craze. harldy anyone does it and everyone who sees it thinks it is great.

But reading the posts on this site, there seems to be some government moment in the USA and Canada to make E Cigs illegal ?

Can someone shed some light on this for me please in a few sentences or point me to a URL.

Many thanks

Cat

 

[taz3cat]

The USA Anti's are more rabid and religous than you sensable folks in the UK. I can't speak for the Canadians. The USA churchs started this Anti tobacco in the 1800's and have been pounding away at it and anything that looks like a cigarette or tobacco every since. Smokers are a bunch of perverted sinners and that goes for the Vaporers, just ask any USA Anti bigot.

 

[Catanonia]

The USA Anti's are more rabid and religous than you sensable folks in the UK. I can't speak for the Canadians. The USA churchs started this Anti tobacco in the 1800's and have been pounding away at it and anything that looks like a cigarette or tobacco every since. Smokers are a bunch of perverted sinners and that goes for the Vaporers, just ask any USA Anti bigot.

ack that sounds total crap dude. Feel for you guys. Lets hope it doesn't spread to this side of the pond. But it probably will

 

[Vapor Pete]

The USA Anti's are more rabid and religous than you sensable folks in the UK. I can't speak for the Canadians. The USA churchs started this Anti tobacco in the 1800's and have been pounding away at it and anything that looks like a cigarette or tobacco every since. Smokers are a bunch of perverted sinners and that goes for the Vaporers, just ask any USA Anti bigot.

Hahaha! My sentiments exactly! Just read my signature below.
My best,
-VP

 

[Phalse]

No one in the USA listens to crazy rabid religious fanatics unless they are part of their strange deity overgod worshiping cult.

The government is raising prices even more on regular smokes, there was a sign at the market saying all tobacco tax +158% on Feb 4th. going to pay for the schools budgets.

E-cigs are currently unknown status, no tax or legality ruling, not regulated but being talked about by government officials, like the FDA who was just granted full control of tobacco regulation by the courts yesterday.

As you know something is legal in the USA unless a current law forbids it. E-cigs are currently legal. But you also know you don't mess with the USA tax man. If they put a law in place and you were selling e-cigs at a physical building for 4 years, its possible they could retro tax you on your e-cig sales. This would depend on the ruling and law they pass to clarify the e-cig product.

Customs can demand duties (fees) on products imported and make you fill out paperwork. They can make you wait for your package. They can return it to sender or destroy dangerous or illegal products. Customs can do anything like say its poison and had to be destroyed. Who is going to police them? No one, you have to trust them to not be ...... off and abuse their power.

 

[Catanonia]

No one in the USA listens to crazy rabid religious fanatics unless

Customs can demand duties (fees) on products imported and make you fill out paperwork. They can make you wait for your package. They can return it to sender or destroy dangerous or illegal products. Customs can do anything like say its poison and had to be destroyed. Who is going to police them? No one, you have to trust them to not be ...... off and abuse their power.

mmm, but is there any government saying these are illegal ? What are all these polls about ?

 

[taz3cat]

Phalse, love your new avatar.

You have not talked to the George Bushs and his group, the religous right is the prime mover on this Anti busness, funded by big pharma and the USA goverment. The doer on the ANTI forums are to quote you are "crazy rabid religious fanatics". The squeeky wheel get the most grease. Half of the rest of the ANTi's don't even know they are the servents of these religious fanatics. They are just following the pack, they don't have to think for themselves this way.

 

[Catanonia]

Phalse, love your new avatar.

You have not talked to the George Bushs and his group, the religous right is the prime mover on this Anti busness, funded by big pharma and the USA goverment. The doer on the ANTI forums are to quote you are "crazy rabid religious fanatics". The squeeky wheel get the most grease. Half of the rest of the ANTi's don't even know they are the servents of these religious fanatics. They are just following the pack, they don't have to think for themselves this way.

so are you saying all of the anti e-cigs in the USA are religious nuts ?

If that is the case, we are safe in the uk. We round all them guys up and make them work in Mc Donalds

 

[taz3cat]

It's everyones own opinion as to which religous group are nuts. I just don't like Goverment and religion mixing and then you add big pharma. Almost all churches in the USA teach smoking tobacco or using tobacco is a big sin. We call the tax on cigarettes here SIN TAX.

 

[Catanonia]

It's everyones own opinion as to which religous group are nuts. I just don't like Goverment and religion mixing and then you add big pharma. Almost all churches in the USA teach smoking tobacco or using tobacco is a big sin. We call the tax on cigarettes here SIN TAX.

Now i am not too worried as we don't have anything even nearing the bible belts or bible politicians in the UK. Us English would not stand for it to be brutally honest.

So as we call it, a storm in a teacup with some do gooders thing they know best.

 

[secondson2929]

Most churches around here don't teach against smoking. But I not only live in the Bible belt, I live in Tobacco country North Carolina. I even used to live in the town of Tobaccoville!

 

[Marlyn M]

Here in the UK it is the new craze. harldy anyone does it and everyone who sees it thinks it is great.

But reading the posts on this site, there seems to be some government moment in the USA and Canada to make E Cigs illegal ?

Can someone shed some light on this for me please in a few sentences or point me to a URL.

Many thanks

Cat

I personally think all the debate boils down to taxes and how we're getting around the "sin" tax there is not tobacco. I think if the government can find a way to make their money all the controversy will go away.

 

[Sumratio]

Tobacco was critical in this countries early years, not that long ago. It is kind of funny that tobacco country is the same as the Bible Belt and smoking is most tolerated there. There is some major demonization of smoking going on in the US has been for the last decade or so. At the same time due to our capitalist nature Big Pharm, Big Tobacco and Big Government have us all by the proverbial balls.

 

[kishd]

I personally think all the debate boils down to taxes and how we're getting around the "sin" tax there is not tobacco. I think if the government can find a way to make their money all the controversy will go away.

I second that. Tobacco smoking is big business. The government makes money out of the "sin" tax. The pharmaceutical companies make money out of "nicotine replacement therapy" that does not work. AND the ANTI-SMOKING lobbyists get huge grants from both the goverment and the pharmaceutical industries to further alienate smokers.

 

[Banqer]

In Canada it seems the biggest problem with Health Canada has with the product is the the eliquid hasn't been quality tested and assigned a DIN (drug identification number). It seems like they want to make sure it is "safe". Although, this could all be a front... I don't believe it is.

As of now Health Canada has banned the import/export of the eliquid. However, there has been some question whether Health Canada has that kind of authority... and even then, I don't think they are able to possibly stop and check every package coming into the country, if you know what I mean

 

[element8]

my pack a day habit is up to around 6.50-7/day because of the last local tax hike, since i can't quit (tried multiple times) i figured i'd give an ecig a shot. I'm looking at a couple of them on puresmokers, the pen style (not sure of it's generic model name), the hybrid (m401), and the mini (DSE901).

From what I read the pen has a long charge and bigger carts, but is funky looking and less comfortable to hold

the DSE901 has a smaller battery so it's comfortable to hold like a cigarette but i'd need more batteries for a 6-10hr day & refill/drip more often than the pen

and the hybrid pilot is somewhere in between the 2 as far as batt. charge goes but is sensitive to loud noise/wind and has recessed carts which are a pain to refill

all 3 come in black w/blue LED which i was looking for, and are similarly priced, so i'm not sure if there are other differences i'm overlooking that could swing the decision toward one of the 3

also what are some sites to get decent quality liquid from, i read a better quality liquid can help make an atomizer last longer, any truth in that? i usually smoke a pack of lights a day so i guess i'd be looking for light liquid (~11mg?) and around 2ml a day to completely replace tobacco cigarettes?

 

[element8]

whoops, meant to post thread not reply =p and i don't see anywhere to edit or delete that message, sorry!

 

[Wildsky]

Some days I wonder what it would be like to live in a FREE COUNTRY! this certainly isn't it!

 

[StudioKraft]

Some days I wonder what it would be like to live in a FREE COUNTRY! this certainly isn't it!

Totally agreed. It seems that every day a little bit of our liberty gets whittled away in the name of one thing or another.

 

[Phalse]

But as long as the consequence or punishment for the (illegal) things we do are not excessive, which I don't feel any of the drug/medical laws punishments are excessive, you can look at it like.........we still live in a free country.

We still can do whatever we want. All things which are banned/illegal we can still do/buy. Its the punishment we don't want to deal with. If the punishment for importing e-cigs is simply returning/destroying the package.....its still ok to smoke them. Simply find way to import the hardware as personal vaporizers (legal) and make/buy local juice.

If the punishment is death by public beheading, we wont smoke e-cigs. This will not be the punishment and I think the consequences will not be excessive (if any punishment at all).