Why can my mom and hubby not stop smoking like I did? Help me understand!

[CMC]

I went to vaping, and never desired another cig. No problem for me although I smoked 3 packs a day. My mom and hubby still crave the cigarettes. For me it was so easy but they are having trouble. I would like to help them but I myself don't understand why they can't feel satisfied like me. If you can explain this to me maybe I can help them! They both have lung problems from smoking and I need to help if I can. Also I am new here and I don't know some of the lango what the heck is a tank? Everyone thanks for teaching me a thing or two. Loves the juice

I personally needed a really strong liquid sometimes when I feel the urge to smoke again. If I can't FEEL the liquid I run in to that fight or flight for a pack of cigs occasion.

If they really want to switch over to the liquid nicotine maybe they'll have a smoother transition after trying a variety of Personal Vaporizers or flavors?

 

[happiest in years]

Thanks so much for your time and the info! The pics were very helpful. I have a lot to learn!

 

[happiest in years]

good advice, Thanks so much!

 

[happiest in years]

Hey I so understand where you are coming from. My coughing has almost stopped altogether, that in itself has been a blessing. My mom is in nc, and she is going to come and stay with me for awhile, she says maybe she don't know how to do it right. When I get her maybe I can show her how I do it. I take long drags off of it and feel it! It is different than the real ones. That very well could be a problem. I just made up my mind too, that plays a part of it too! I have so much more energy, it is awesome! I needed to gain a few lbs. and I have because food does taste better. I would never put thoes stinky things back in my mouth! Yes wished I had of started these years ago. But like they say TODAY IS THE FIRST DAY OF THE REST OF MY LIFE!

 

[happiest in years]

I believe that! I had heard so many good things about the e- cigs so when I got them I had made up my mind to stop forever, which I have, and that's why I say I am happier than I have been in years! Thanks for your post!

 

[happiest in years]

Thanks for this info very good for a beginner.

 

[trouble2k]

To be honest, I still find that a little something is lacking, but all the benefits really outweigh that urge. Perhaps you should let them know that they can keep smoking while they are using their pv. The whole all-or-nothing mentality has really ruined a lot of my attempts with cessation programs. If I have a momentary relapse, I give up. However, I feel like the knowledge that I could have an analogue without destroying everything is really comforting. In fact, I had every intention of using my pv as a supplement rather than a replacement, but I found I couldn't stand the taste or the smell by the end of my first pack.

You're so right! I was one of those that took a few months using an e-cig before I actually quit. What I found is that the harder I forced myself not to smoke, the more I wanted to smoke.

When I finally just allowed myself to smoke whenever I wanted, then vape the rest of the time, everything started falling into place. Slowly but surely, I found that infamous "all day" flavor and a decent set up. After that, I found my desire for cigarettes slowly faded away.

It doesn't always happen overnight, or at the first vape, for some of us.

 

[MegaBee]

This is a very good question. I thought everyone I know that smoked would jump on the idea once they saw that it worked for me. They all complained about smoking more than I did. They asked me to get them kits.

I don't get it. But who knows, when they're ready to try again it's there for them. I have to say none of the people I know 'do forums'. And I think that support in anything like this makes a huge difference.

I so hear you with this, in my work place most of the smokers are older than me, or of same age, my parents used to smoke, everone I knew smoked, I was born in the 70's young enough to watch it go from ok to smoke to totally disgusting in my social circle or working circle. My parents gave up at different stages of their lives, my dad first with no real smoking symptoms but in support of my mother who was plagued with cancer scares, first breast cancer which caused a radical mastectomy at only age 36 and then her next surgery which nearly cost her life was to remove a quarter of her bowel, and recently after years of my dad quitting smoking a tumour being removed from her mouth upper palate. she finally gave up smoking a month before the tumour was discovered in her mouth. My dad's method was cold turkey over 20 years ago my Mum's method (now a year smoke free) was nicotine gum. I watched this battle with my mum shes only 59 btw. And decided to give up, I went cold turkey just thought yanno Im not enjoying these cigarettes anymore and Im tired of watching my loved ones struggle with them... yeah well after 3 days cold turkey I tried patches and gum and I didnt have cravings but I still missed something I felt like I killed my best freind, thats when I found e=cigs from google and other people talking about them. Now I wonder why anyone would struggle cold turkey, I cant believe this would not work for EVERYONE! but it doesnt, you have to really want to stop, and until that moment you have to just lay off.. Did I just rant for too long? Im sorry if I did.

 

[MegaBee]

I so hear you with this, in my work place most of the smokers are older than me, or of same age, my parents used to smoke, everone I knew smoked, I was born in the 70's young enough to watch it go from ok to smoke to totally disgusting in my social circle or working circle. My parents gave up at different stages of their lives, my dad first with no real smoking symptoms but in support of my mother who was plagued with cancer scares, first breast cancer which caused a radical mastectomy at only age 36 and then her next surgery which nearly cost her life was to remove a quarter of her bowel, and recently after years of my dad quitting smoking a tumour being removed from her mouth upper palate. she finally gave up smoking a month before the tumour was discovered in her mouth. My dad's method was cold turkey over 20 years ago my Mum's method (now a year smoke free) was nicotine gum. I watched this battle with my mum shes only 59 btw. And decided to give up, I went cold turkey just thought yanno Im not enjoying these cigarettes anymore and Im tired of watching my loved ones struggle with them... yeah well after 3 days cold turkey I tried patches and gum and I didnt have cravings but I still missed something I felt like I killed my best freind, thats when I found e=cigs from google and other people talking about them. Now I wonder why anyone would struggle cold turkey, I cant believe this would not work for EVERYONE! but it doesnt, you have to really want to stop, and until that moment you have to just lay off.. Did I just rant for too long? Im sorry if I did.

oh and sorry I know I apologised to ranting my story, but I thought I should also add my grandmother who is still alive and she is 76 was a long time smoker only stopped about 5 years ago because she has COPD and empysemia, we nearly lost her from a chest infection, she went into respiratory failure in a small regiional hospital if it wasnt for her strong heart we would have lost her, when she was still alive 24 hours later they flew her out to a major hospital where she spent 3 months in intensive care on life support. The local doctors knew she was a smoker and I believe they took less care of her and that led to her fighting for her life for 3months, she has outlived that incident for2 years and her lungs are still weak but shes still alive. another thing that has inspired me to quit before I destroy my lungs

 

[Rar]

The first thing anyone needs before they can stop a habit is the desire to quit. No amount of logic or cajoling or persuasion will get past that.

I've had bad days when I wanted to chuck it all and smoke a cigarette, but I refuse to do so. I just pick up my PV and vape through it. This is what has kept me off the stinkies for 3 months.

Perhaps you have at least planted the seed and they will come around.

This is SO TRUE, Mooreted. I, was the same way and just kept vaping through the bad days. It's been over 8 months since my last analog, and even now, equipment problems, juice in the mouth, etc. irritate me. This vaping sure does have a learning curve.

 

[MegaBee]

This is SO TRUE, Mooreted. I, was the same way and just kept vaping through the bad days. It's been over 8 months since my last analog, and even now, equipment problems, juice in the mouth, etc. irritate me. This vaping sure does have a learning curve.

I have to ask you, just to build prospective even the bad days and getting juice in the mouth and equipment letting us down, isnt it better than those patches or the gum? omg that disgusting taste from gum the itches from the patches or for those of us crazy enough to light up another cigarette the shock of the taste of burning paper, tobacco and its like licking an ashtray? I have experienced all of that, I now have decided out of all the evils when everything else has let me down, go for the horrible juice and vape through it until the next order arrives, nothing else comes close

 

[Stormy05]

I tried to get my mom to use ecigs too and for awhile she did use them. She ended up giving up on them and said they didn't help her relax. I guess for some people it works some it doesn't. I do agree that ecigs are not as relaxing as a real cigarette. I have found with anything that's relaxing to smoke, it has more of a stimulant effect if vaped.

 

[DaveP]

It's a blunt answer, but they have to decide to stop buying cigs. As long as they are around, they are a temptation. I bought my BIL a Riva kit and some juices. He takes his ecig with him to places where he can't smoke, but hasn't converted over yet. His take is that an ecig is OK for places you can't smoke, but he still likes the cigarettes much better. He's on oxygen and still won't quit. Some folks will continue regardless.

I wish you well with your attempt to move them to ecigs. Keep trying.

 

[tcmike]

Here's how I feel about it personally:

The addiction part is obvious - the longer they've been smoking and the more they still enjoy it, the less likely they are to accept a substitute like an e-cig. It's especially true if they've developed heuristics to justify the health risks. (i.e. "We all have to go somehow" or "I have an aunt that smoked like a chimney and was healthy as a horse for 90 years").

Another element that gets mentioned way less often is our attitudes towards new product adoption. It's pretty well established in marketing, and divides people into groups based on their propensity to accept and use new and different things. It seems like your mom and husband are on the right half of the curve below. The idea is that these types are a little slower to accept change in general. If you've got a loved one who didn't buy a computer until 2008, for example, don't expect them to switch over to electronic cigarettes eagerly.



My personal method for getting loved ones who still smoke to use e-cigs is to constantly enable but avoid pressuring them into adoption. I've gotten them 510 starter kits that they do use when they're in a non-smoking area. If they're out of analogs, I'll lend them my e-cig to tide them over. I'll tell them how much better I feel, but not obnoxiously so. In short, I'm trying to "plant the seed" so to speak and let it grow organically. It takes awhile with this kind of laissez-faire approach for sure, but I'm confident that giving them all the time they might need to grow comfortable and conquer the learning curve with e-cigs will prove more effective than deriding them for continuing to smoke.

 

[mooreted]

This is SO TRUE, Mooreted. I, was the same way and just kept vaping through the bad days. It's been over 8 months since my last analog, and even now, equipment problems, juice in the mouth, etc. irritate me. This vaping sure does have a learning curve.

Fortunately, I have settled down with my eGo and Boge or Resurrector cartos, and have a regular filling and charging routine. I may not have a flashy VV super-duper LED display thing-a-ma-bob, but I have have no issues and no desire to smoke anymore. It can be done.

 

[happiest in years]

Wow yes I agree with you!! I love how my hair smells, and I love that my nails look white instead of yellow. I love that I can talk with out caughing, I love the smell of apples in the store, and how good food taste now! Face it we could go on and on..................Love my juice!!!

 

[happiest in years]

Thanks for sharing, I don't hound them to stop smoking, but am concerned for their health. It does have to be their choice and not mine, other people in my life has waited on me to stop for a long time. The e-cigs did it for me, I guess I just thought everyone would do the same, but not so!

 

[happiest in years]

No u did not rant, I ask, and you helped I guess that is what I did I made up my mind and did not look back. Maybe they will in the future!!!

 

[swedishfish]

I tried to get my mom to use ecigs too and for awhile she did use them. She ended up giving up on them and said they didn't help her relax. I guess for some people it works some it doesn't. I do agree that ecigs are not as relaxing as a real cigarette. I have found with anything that's relaxing to smoke, it has more of a stimulant effect if vaped.

It's the MAOI's in cigarettes that give you that relaxed feeling. Nicotine is actually a stimulate. Since you don't get the MAOI's when you vape that's probably why.

 

[CharlieGirl]

It's the MAOI's in cigarettes that give you that relaxed feeling. Nicotine is actually a stimulate. Since you don't get the MAOI's when you vape that's probably why.

Finally, after reading through this whole thread, someone has hit the nail on the head!!! Maybe a bit of what everyone has said is true, but to attribute it all to lack of wanting is not fair!!! I and many others have no lack of wanting to get off cigs, believe me! I could not want it more! But for some of us, nicotine alone is NOT ENOUGH!!! It is the Whole Tobacco Alkaloids in tobacco that we are missing, because it is not in our e-cig fluids. Recently, there has been a few vendors on this forum that have started to sell fluids with all the alkaloids in them, and they cannot keep them in stock, they are flying out the doors, so it isn't some small minority that feels this way, there are a lot of us! And before anyone protests about anyone "adding stuff to their e-juice" not to worry, this is only for the ones who need it, and only at extra cost! And for the record, using nicotine alone is relatively new, as in nicotine replacement therapy, but the normal profile of what we smoke(d) is different and contains the other components of tobacco that act synergistically with nicotine's stimulant properties to create that satisfying relaxation component of smoking, the creation of the MAOI's mentioned above! As much as I LOVE vaping, I still CRAVE that component in cigarettes that I don't get from ordinary e-liquids, even at a high mg level! Not even while chain vaping. A dear new friend from the forum educated me about Swedish Snus, a tobacco product with the full complement of WTA's, and actually sent me some to try! How awesome is that? There is a forum here for Snus users or the curious so I won't go into detail except to say it is a little packet of flavored tobacco that you place between cheek and gum (and you DON'T spit! LOL) and that satisfies those "other" cravings! To me it was proof that nicotine alone is not enough for all of us! Maybe most, but NOT all. I WILL be trying the WTA fluids if and when I can procure some!!! I am not saying that this is also your hubby and mom's problem with their vaping experience, just that you and anyone else who is reading takes it into consideration before assuming that a negative attitude alone is the cause of their dissatisfaction. There are so many aspects of vaping that make the whole experience different for each and everyone of us, but I agree with those who say you cannot force anyone to make the switch! If anything, nagging just makes some people MORE resistant to trying. The best you can do is be supportive and informed. Saying to a loved one, "I don't want to nag, I just want for you to be able to enjoy this as much as I have, and be with me for a long time to come", or something similar, lets them off the hook and also lets them know why you are persistent about it. As I said, there are so many variables it is difficult to pinpoint why someone feels dissatisfied with their PV, but that is why this forum is such a blessing! Keep up the good work everyone, we are all in this together!!!