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Can vaping aggravate TMD?

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paise

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This is my 1st post here in the Wellness: Wrecked & Bonkers Forum. I didn't know it was here! Wow I'm glad I do now. I cannot thank Lettucehead enough for letting me know this place exists!

As for TMD, I don't know but I do have pretty bad TMJ in both sides and w/Lupus (SLE), Sjogren's Disease, & Fibromyalgia - all of which are tied in some fashion or manner along with making inflammation elsewhere in my body much, much, much worse. In addition, I have

The only time I tend to notice any problems with TMJ that may be e-cig related is when I attempt to use a cartomizer that has too hard of a draw from being used too long at a time. My way of working around this by making it affordable is to buy the bulk carto deal at Crystal Clear Vaping The ones I get come with 15 cartos in 3 packs. I use My Freedom Smoke e-liquids too. If a carto gets a tough draw, you can try The Plunger Kit/Ultimate Plunger Kit from MFS to clean it out; it also allows for filling a carto as well.

Granted, The Plunger Kit/Ultimate Plunger Kit will only get you so many cleanings & refills a certain number of times before it's basically beyond cleaning & time to move on to a fresh carto but it makes them last a heck of a lot longer. I can make it through pretty much an entire month and sometimes even a month and a half, give or take a few days to a week depending upon the carto itself, my ensuring it doesn't dry out or burn it up by not keeping the carto plenty moist enough albeit, it's equally important not to overfill a carto too or you'll have a mouthful of e-liquid or a slight leak; hwr, since I began using the cartos from CCV, I haven't had much of a leaking problem but that is totally tied to the "making sure I don't overfill the carto" problem, which is actually easy to do if you can't see what you're doing and for me, that happens a lot b/c I can't see what I'm doing.

As if Lupus (SLE), Sjogren's Disease, & Fibromyalgia along with all the crap that bring about isn't bad enough, I also have a retinal eye disease in addition to optic nerve defects that are believed to be the result of a type of birth defect from my having been so premature (2+mos premature). Sjogren's Disease causes inflamed corneas and chronic/severe dry eyes. Either of these can cause corneal ulcers, which is what I am attempting to prevent if at all possible. Lupus (SLE), Sjogren's in general, & Fibromyalgia will cause damage to my vital organs after running their course on my joints, bones, connective-muscle-tissue, skin, nails, nerves in the body, (I've already had osteoarthritis found in few bones in my feet, which isn't great b/c I already have severe osteoporosis, then there's chronic insomnia I've had since childhood as far back as I can recall though Mother claims I've had insomnia since in vitro b/c according to her, from the moment she could first feel me kicking, I never stopped moving... I never slept well as an infant either. As an adult before the blindness, I worked 2, 3 & even 4 jobs at a time working both days & nights living on naps during my day job's lunch hour; the osteoporosis, other than being pretty much a genetic marker of sorts as it runs in my family tho' primarily Mother's side of the family, the fact I'm lactose intolerant doesn't help matters & it's only been in the last 5-6yrs that soy milk like Silk -Vanilla flavored & even Chocolate, began to have a tolerable taste; I have 2 daughters 10yrs apart in age and they were both hi-risk pregnancies. I couldn't and still can't take Caltrate Calcium tablets but I was chewing 2 Tums, 2x a day for years until Viactiv came out; they're soft & come in flavors that taste like candies so they're much more tolerable even though I have to chew more than the required amount to get the necessary calcium I need today even if it won't reverse the problems; the girls took a lot of the calcium in my body when I was pregnant despite the pre-natal vitamins, IV vitamin drip bags, & injections of Iron to reduce anemia, which are painful shots, esp when you get 2 at a time - 1 injection in each buttock.) But I digress. I'm trying to protect and save my corneas so I can donate them. If I can use them to see, the least I can do is whatever I can to save them so that when my time comes, I can donate my corneas and hopefully they will be healthy enough to transplant so that someone else will be able to see again or for the first time. Either way, I'm fighting for my corneas b/c the autoimmune diseases are going to destroy about everything else making it impossible for me to donate anything else so if my corneas are the only things I have with a decent shot, I plan to do whatever I can to keep them healthy enough to donate. There's no reason for another person to never see again or never have a chance to see for the first time considering how many people die each day with perfectly healthy retinas and corneas. My cousin's husband is alive today b/c someone was an organ donor. The kidney came at the best time b/c the dialysis had started failing to do any work when they finally got the call. The donor family refused to allow open contact but they were able to send a thank you letter and a picture of their family. We believe it came from someone who passed away during 9/11 b/c the kidney became available shortly after 9/11. If he hadn't received the kidney when he did, he would likely have died shortly after and long before another became available b/c he was heading downhill fast.

If it had not been for the person who donated their organs, my cousin would be a widow now and would have raised their 4 children, which includes a set of identical twin daughters in the middle with an older daughter and a younger son without her husband being there. He was born with a predisposition to a kidney disorder. It triggered after he was hurt really badly on an offshore rig. I can't imagine those children growing up without their dad. Her husband is a wonderful man. He is a house-husband and has loved every moment of it - even when he was at his sickest although he had to have a lot of help before the transplant and then he had to have nursing care for about a year or so afterward but the kidney is working well as of the news I hear from them when they get the chance whose husband has the donated kidney raised her little sister just as I did with my little brother though neither of them are children anymore. Both of our siblings are married with children of their own. Both of us and our spouses are our nieces & nephews grandparents in our case whereas in the case of my cousin, she only has 1 child, a little boy and he calls her older sister & older sister's husband his grandparents. We raised our siblings so it makes perfect sense. My brother was much younger so he's always called us Mom & Dad. Our girls' grandmother was Mother's oldest sister b/c she was my surrogate mom. She taught me how to be a parent and a good one! I'm just sad that she passed away 8yrs ago this past March. My MIL & I aren't super-super close but she has helped me a lot when dealing with losing the only Mom-figure I ever had. Mother and I always had this backwards thing where I was the parent & she was the child. I keep hoping it will change but never has & likely never will. We only hear from her a couple times a year. Our birth father has been kicked out of our lives for more than 2 decades & the kids think he's dead. We agreed it was best. Besides, he's an abusive alcoholic & neither of us, esp when it comes to our children, need that kind of trash in our lives. He'll be dead soon enough though. You can only fight cirrhosis of the liver in the advanced stages only so long, esp when still drinking heavily. But I digress...

I do hope the info on the Plunger Kit/Ultimate Kit & the carto deal helps. Just make sure to not draw hard on cartos or it can cause the soreness then the locking to come back. It's why I use the plunger kit. It helps clean the cartos to save money, lessen the pull on the draw, and it lets me change flavors without mixing those that don't mix well without losing a carto.

HTHs... :)


Can vaping cause swelling in your jaw if the draw is too tight? Vaping itself doesn't hurt.
 

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Most definitely. It's why I work like mad with my Naproxen to keep TMJ at a minimum but there are times when no matter what I do, I get TMJ and I get a migraine.

This is why I order the bulk pack of cartomizers from Crystal Clear Vaping. I prefer the Boge 3.0 but sometimes I mix it up with 2.0 and 3.0 Boges as they work great w/variable volt units. I have a Lambo VV that was a gift for my 3-year anniversary w/o an analog cigarette! I love it! Even with my blindness, it isn't difficult to work though. One press of the button on the right side takes it from 3.0 upward in 0.1 increments so I just count the presses until I hit 4.0 to 4.4 and vape up or down until I find the sweet spot.

The best and least-clogging e-liquid I have ever bought is from My Freedom Smokes. Every e-liquid they offer, except in the area known as The Flavor Apprentice, has the ability to customize your flavor experience. It offers the size you want to order, which they offer large orders now as in a liter size and larger but I can't afford to order one that large... But the regular e-liquid area allows you to choose your bottle size, nicotine amount (up to 48mg I think though it may be higher), regular flavor or extra-flavor (extra-flavor is adjusted to ensure the flavor is right b/c too much flavor will ruin the taste and if MFS does nothing else, they make sure their e-liquids have the right flavor, even when ordering for extra-flavoring. I've never known of another company who are such perfectionists when it comes to their e-liquids, which is why I order my e-liquids with MFS and have for over 3 years now. Their flavors can't be beat...), and the amount of PG, VG.

My staple flavors I order each month is Cotton Candy and Marshmallow. Each time I order, I order a 30ml or 60ml (depending upon coupons & what I have in SSDI that i can play with & if there's not enough, I just order the two separate bottles of 30ml in Marshmallow & Cotton Candy) bottles w/24mg nicotine dose, extra-strong flavor, and 15% VG.

If I order a 60ml bottle, I keep the extra 30ml in a separate but marked bottle w/felt raised letters so I know the flavor I've put back. I keep the extra in one of their Amber glass bottles. Also, I keep a bottle of nicotine liquid so I can split my 6ml carrying bottles w/liquid in both only I mark one bottle w/a braille bump dot b/c I add a few drops of nic-quid that has a higher nic dose in order to get me thru my "nic-fit" times such as after getting up in the morning, after meals, & before bed (or rather when I lay down b/c I have chronic insomnia & w/o Ambien & even w/it, I have a tough time actually sleeping) and when I'm stressed out or upset. I mark the bottle w/the added nicotine in it so I can tell the difference. I use a Braille bump dot but a rubberband under the indention of MFS' 6ml bottle's neck where it's wrapped around enough times you can feel the rubberband so you know which has the higher nic dose in it will help through the "nic-fit" times.

In addition to the nicotine liquid, which I've had last a little over a year b4 I had to order more (I'm sure it would've lasted longer, esp b/c I keep nic-quid & extra e-liquid when I'm able to buy it in one of MFS' amber glass bottles then store the bottles in our wine storage cooler for our chilled wines - just and FYI: Red wines aren't chilled) I mark the e-liquid bottle along w/the nicotine bottle w/felt letters from either a craft section of a dept store or a craft store in general. I do this b/c of my fading sight). The bottles I use to fill my 6ml bottles are in one of those bubble-manila-colored envelopes with the bubble-wrapped stuck to the inside of the envelopes - they're small. I keep them btw the end table & couch where it's cool & dark & within easy reach to fill my bottles. I also keep a smaller amt of nicotine liquid in the spare glass bottle from my order a year -2yrs prior. MFS has the most clear and longest lasting w/no taste or purity or strength loss than any nicotine liquid. In fact, many e-liquid custom-maker website stores generally order their nicotine liquid from MFS purchased in bulk.

Another treat of an addition that is extremely reasonable & well worth having handy if you have a sweet tooth or prefer sweeter liquids is MFS' sweetener liquid. I keep a bottle on hand and add a few drops to several depending upon what I have. I test a couple drops at a time after initial vaping of a sample e-liquid, which MFS often will include if they have a new flavor they want feedback on. I vape then if needed, at a drop at at time until it reaching the sweetness I prefer w/o over-sweetening.

I hope this helps.

Paise

PS: I can't stress enough the relief I've had from ordering the bulk carto deal at CCV along w/MFS' (customized) E-liquids + the nicotine liquid to increase nicotine dose just a bit to cover for my "nic-fit" moments when I'm stressed, anxiety is high, & those times after getting up in mornings, after meals, & before laying down, ++ the Sweetener available at MFS's site, & the addition of the bulk orders of 15 cartos (3 packs of your choice be it 1.7ohm or VV best in Boge 2.0 or 3.0 & even combination of both since you can choose any variation of 2.0 to 3.0 from the 3 packs of 5 cartos in bulk at reduced discount price compared to buying 3pks individually - it allows you to switch out cartos when they start to clog & avoids TMJ & migraines as long as you stay away from your standard migraine triggers - It's well worth it! The sweetener from MFS is just icing on the cake, if you will; esp if you prefer sweeter flavors & a little goes a long way just like the nicotine liquid when you add a little at a time in the extremely affordable 6ml bottles from MFS & keep a separate marked bottle 6ml for stronger nicotine level to help through the "nic-fit" times... It's been my salvation.


It does mine if the draw it too tight or if the atty gets clogged. Do you get migranes from the TMJ?
 

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BTW, I noticed you have a thing at the bottom of your post about PG allergies... If that is the case, MFS offers VG-only e-liquids too. If there's a flavor you want and it's not available in VG, just email Chris or one of his 2 assistants - One assistant handles hardware while the other handles e-liquids though I can't recall which does what but they guys will either let you know & give you the e-liquid assistant's email or they will forward it or both & then you can tell them which e-liquid you want in VG-only and they will make it happen... It's one of the things I love most about MFS.

Tell them that Samantha Thomas from NC sent you. As 3+yr customer, I've recommended many people their way, including those who have to have specific mixes. They will help regardless but it does help when they see a name of a long-time customer who sent you their way.

I've helped teachers, caseworkers, dentists, hygienists, hospital employees including medical personnel, other patients who see the same specialists I see including the staff at the specialists' offices, etc... LOL! I keep business cards handy and give them out like mad. I gave out some 45-50 cards on a single Friday when I was at my neurologist's office. My neurologist is big on having patients switch from analog to e-cigs; hwr, the patients who were there when I was and spotted my e-cigarette had questions as to where the best e-liquids were, best cartos, best parts such as cartos, attys, batteries, new PVs, and etc... I was told over and over again how nice it was to have someone to speak with personally who had been using an e-cigarette for 3+yrs - a veteran e-cig user if you will. I was just glad to help b/c I smoked 1-3 packs of cigarettes a day for 28-some years and it was nice to get rid of the Rice Krispy Brothers w/their Auntie Silk Milk after just 3-weeks after giving up analogs for e-cigs. Of course I felt as if I were going to cough up a lung but once it was over, the crackles, wheezes, franks, and thrills were all gone from my lungs and after almost 2yrs, my lungs were back to where they were before I began smoking analogs. :)


It does mine if the draw it too tight or if the atty gets clogged. Do you get migranes from the TMJ?
 

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I've never noticed swelling in my jaw from TMJ; hwr, I have had a difficult time telling the difference as to whether I had an ear infection or TMJ. I am not sure if I would call it luck or not, but I have to go to one doctor every month for my lupus checkups, which is what we call them b/c it is how this one doctor chronicles what I am experiencing each month including when my temperatures are running higher than normal due to the Lupus (SLE). B/c I'm in the office every month, if I happen to have ear pain that I can't tell if it's an infection or TMJ acting up, my doc can check my ear for infection and then he can sort of manipulate the jaw in order to feel for inflammation making it possible for him to figure out if it's TMJ or an ear infection.

I have a horrible time when I get water in my ears sometimes. At times, it's not a bother but at other times, it can really drive me up the wall b/c it's so uncomfortable. If my ear is showing no infection, the manipulation to feel the TMJ joint allows him to feel for inflammation so I have my answer right then and there. I've found that applying an ice pack (always wrap in a towel and never allow ice on skin - even through a Ziplock for hot/cold b/c it can damage the skin) wrapped in head towels like those hairdressers use or a hand-towel that comes in a set and placed against the jaw for 15-mins on, 30-mins off and then 15-mins on and 30-mins off again with the use of Naproxen or ibuprofen will usually reduce the swelling to a point where it's tolerable. Just remember to stay away from any hard or semi-soft foods that require a lot of chewing for at least a few days and anyone who suffers with TMJ should stay away from foods like chewing gum, beef jerky, toffee, caramels, or anything else that requires heavy chewing of that nature b/c it's just asking for a flare-up.

In my case, we can't rely on my temperature levels to tell if I have an infection w/o other problems present and usually it requires a series of blood tests to check for infection. The Lupus (SLE) causes my regular body temperature when taking my temperature with a thermometer tends to run high regularly on a daily basis due to the nature of the autoimmune disease. Each time I end up in a Lupus flare, my temperature will rise and at times it can get as high as 103-104 before I hit a phase where I end up in the bathroom 'praying to the porcelain gods' regardless as to whether or not I have anything on my stomach to come up. Once the flare runs it's course, the temperature will start coming down a degree or so at a time until it's back in the 99-100-degree area, which is normal for me. This is why it's difficult to diagnose an infection based on temperature alone.

If you start to pay attention to how your TMJ area feels on a daily basis when it's not inflamed then pay special attention when it is inflamed, you will eventually be able to tell the difference as to whether you're dealing with TMJ or an ear infection. The reason TMJ is often mistaken for an ear infection is because the TMJ joint sits right next to the area where infection generally begins in the ear. Both are equally painful but by paying special attention to our body, you will in time be able to differentiate between TMJ and an ear infection or even a upus flare.


HTH,

Paise


Can vaping cause swelling in your jaw if the draw is too tight? Vaping itself doesn't hurt.
 

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Thank you Paise. MFS is not on my safe vender list. I need to double check that PG is not in their flavorings but I will gladly contact them and mention you. {{{{Hugs}}}}

They unfortunately are VG based. That means there is some PG in their flavorings. I can't tolerate any. Once again tho I do thank you for your suggestions and the time it took you to write it up. Without any doubt you are clearly a very generous person.
 
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