Ok i was reading something on here that some company's use tobacco extract for flavor of a real cigarette, and i was also reading that it may have carcinogens in it, I'm not sure how much or if its a relevant amount. but it does worry me a little. any insight, thanks
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To the extent of my knowledge.......no e-cig company in their right mind would put any sort of tobacco (without explicitly making it known to the consumer) product in their juices...........at least any normal, legit company.
I really don't see why juices would have carcinogens in them as well??? Remember that what you want to investigate is propelyene Glycol or the Vegetable Glycerin that is used in the juice - both of which you can find more thatn extensive information on in this forum.
If you're worried about a certain brand - there are plenty out there to choose from so don't hestitate to drop one - especially if something is giving you a problem.
I really don't see why juices would have carcinogens in them as well??? Remember that what you want to investigate is propelyene Glycol or the Vegetable Glycerin that is used in the juice - both of which you can find more thatn extensive information on in this forum.
If you're worried about a certain brand - there are plenty out there to choose from so don't hestitate to drop one - especially if something is giving you a problem.
Crazy how the Human brain works sometimes. We know for certain that cigarettes have carcinogens in them along with all the other chemicals that are added and we bought pack after pack, some of us for 30+ years. When we don't know for certain if vaping natural tobacco extracts contain carcinogens we get concerned. Not putting anyone down I am the same way but slowly trying to mellow. To answer your question, if it is an extraction from tobacco then yes it may contain carcinogens but will not contain a lot of other harnful chemicals that cigarette are loaded with. Not sure how many vendors use a tobacco extract to flavor some of their liquids but some do and imo they should let you know. Sorry for the rant, bored and needed to voice.
Yes, as Az said, anything extracted from tobacco is bound to have some level, albeit perhaps minuscule, of tobacco specific nitrosamines (TSNAs). TSNAs, some of them anyway, are classed as carcinogens. Thus pretty much any nicotine e-liquid may have minuscule levels of TSNAs, because the nicotine itself is extracted from tobacco.
However, what you have to realize is that it is precisely the levels that you are exposed to of any carcinogen that is critical. FDA approved nicotine cessation drugs ALSO have tiny levels of TSNAs, similar to the levels found in nic liquid. But these trace amounts of TSNAs in e-cig liquid, and nicotine cessation products, are literally thousands of times lower than the amounts found in cigarette smoke, and thus do not actually present the risk of cancer that smoking cigarettes does.
Take a look at this chart of the relative levels of TSNAs in smokefree tobacco products, e-cig liquid and nicotine cessation drugs versus the levels contained in cigarettes:
http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/07/comparison.html
And, as Az also highlighted, what you are also NOT getting with e-liquid, are the OTHER 56 or so kinds of carcinogens found in cigarette smoke.
However, what you have to realize is that it is precisely the levels that you are exposed to of any carcinogen that is critical. FDA approved nicotine cessation drugs ALSO have tiny levels of TSNAs, similar to the levels found in nic liquid. But these trace amounts of TSNAs in e-cig liquid, and nicotine cessation products, are literally thousands of times lower than the amounts found in cigarette smoke, and thus do not actually present the risk of cancer that smoking cigarettes does.
Take a look at this chart of the relative levels of TSNAs in smokefree tobacco products, e-cig liquid and nicotine cessation drugs versus the levels contained in cigarettes:
http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/07/comparison.html
And, as Az also highlighted, what you are also NOT getting with e-liquid, are the OTHER 56 or so kinds of carcinogens found in cigarette smoke.
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Go to the Perfumer's Apprentice site and check out their Tobacco Absolut. Perhaps ask them for their opinion on this.
Also note that the combustion of tobacco will introduce new compounds, several probably carcinogenic, which multiplies the effect.
I believe your worries are basically unfounded since there will always be carcinogens present but the quantities are not significant. The quantitities in Snus are often much higher and it has been demonstrated that there is no increased risk for any form of cancer (>150 trials). There is so much data available for Snus that it is almost possible to say that issue is proven (and in any case the mortality drop at population level shows it to be accurate).
I forget which of the various professors of medicine it was who have commented on this issue who said something like, "....these levels [in NRTs and e-cig refills] are millions of times lower than significant for health". The carcinogens can be measured in parts per trillion and are not of interest unless an entirely new vector for cancer is discovered as a result of e-cigarette (or NRT) use. This is of course a possibility, just as anything is - but it would need to be something new and not seen before: a way that minute quantities of carcinogens, that cannot affect health in any other circumstances, cause disease by inhalation in a previously-unknown way.
This is possible but not as likely as e-cigarettes having no statistically-significant effect on health or difference from risk from totally quitting. This after all is the result of large-scale meta-analyses of Snus trials over decades, and all expert opinion so far is that e-cigarettes should have less risk than Snus.
The individual though may well experience tolerance issues with some ingredients and might need to change the ingredient profile to suit. Pre-existing lung disease from smoking complicates the question considerably. Some persons will inevitably be harmed through incorrect use.
Also note that the combustion of tobacco will introduce new compounds, several probably carcinogenic, which multiplies the effect.
I believe your worries are basically unfounded since there will always be carcinogens present but the quantities are not significant. The quantitities in Snus are often much higher and it has been demonstrated that there is no increased risk for any form of cancer (>150 trials). There is so much data available for Snus that it is almost possible to say that issue is proven (and in any case the mortality drop at population level shows it to be accurate).
I forget which of the various professors of medicine it was who have commented on this issue who said something like, "....these levels [in NRTs and e-cig refills] are millions of times lower than significant for health". The carcinogens can be measured in parts per trillion and are not of interest unless an entirely new vector for cancer is discovered as a result of e-cigarette (or NRT) use. This is of course a possibility, just as anything is - but it would need to be something new and not seen before: a way that minute quantities of carcinogens, that cannot affect health in any other circumstances, cause disease by inhalation in a previously-unknown way.
This is possible but not as likely as e-cigarettes having no statistically-significant effect on health or difference from risk from totally quitting. This after all is the result of large-scale meta-analyses of Snus trials over decades, and all expert opinion so far is that e-cigarettes should have less risk than Snus.
The individual though may well experience tolerance issues with some ingredients and might need to change the ingredient profile to suit. Pre-existing lung disease from smoking complicates the question considerably. Some persons will inevitably be harmed through incorrect use.
My guess (purely speculation) is that you breath more carcinogens while driving in a heavily travelled, metropolitan area than inhaling e-cig vapor.
That too. Or when you have your summer barbeque. Or sit by your cozy fire in the winter. Or when you .... .
I use a juice made from tobacco leaves, it's actually one of my favorite vapes. No I'm not concerned about carcinogens and here's why: most of the things we consume, be it our daily Pepsi, grilled steak, or even just our tap water (with all of the additives) are bound to be slightly carcinogenic in theory.
However, here's the big question, do these things translate into a cancer causing exposure in the real world? I don't know. The thing about cigarettes, is that you have to light them on fire for them to give you cancer. There is combustion, chemical reactions, the whole nine yards. Now with my tobacco base eliquid, there is no combustion, just vaporization. Is it really any different than sucking on an unlit cig, or rubbing tobacco on my skin? Hmmmm, don't know. But I'll take my chances.
However, here's the big question, do these things translate into a cancer causing exposure in the real world? I don't know. The thing about cigarettes, is that you have to light them on fire for them to give you cancer. There is combustion, chemical reactions, the whole nine yards. Now with my tobacco base eliquid, there is no combustion, just vaporization. Is it really any different than sucking on an unlit cig, or rubbing tobacco on my skin? Hmmmm, don't know. But I'll take my chances.
I'm curious about whether or not a juice made from actual tobacco leaves would cause mouth cancer much like chewing tobacco does. I'm also curious as to how it tastes. Is it any good?
Hangsen have their own tobacco factory and fields for flavor extraction to make e-juice. I think the carcinogens are present only if you actually burn the tobacco. They claim is even safer than chemical flavor juices.
Another point with regards any tobacco extract in an e liquid flavor, is that the extensive list of carcinogens that are found in tobacco smoke, are based on tobacco smoke, rather than tobacco itself. Quite alot of chemical changes occur when a substance is burnt , as in a cigarette when the tobacco is burned, the smoke that it produces and that is inhaled, contains many substances that have been created by the burning, but may not be present in tobacco in its original form.
An e cig does not burn the e liquid, it heats it, but to temperatures of around 70C only (variable), so any tobacco extract is not going to be burnt and so will not contain the same carcinogens that are listed in tobacco smoke.
An e cig does not burn the e liquid, it heats it, but to temperatures of around 70C only (variable), so any tobacco extract is not going to be burnt and so will not contain the same carcinogens that are listed in tobacco smoke.
I wouldn’t be Overly Surprised that when the Long Term data starts to be compiled on e-Cigarette usage, that the Greater Dangers came from Flavorings, Sweeteners and Colorants than from Nicotine delivered from Tobacco Plants.
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