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Danesnpits

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Yes that's right! Censorship! UNBELIEVABLE! And I am PO'd. It has come to my attention, that posts are being censored, deleted by mods and people banned because of it. Here I am a new vaper, who has spend a pile of money, close to a grand, on ecigs and equipment from suppliers, and have learned a great deal in the last 2 months of vaping from the people on this forum including registered supplies and personal vapers. And then to find a product not offered in North America that I am aware of is having posted deleted and members banned for asking questions. Posting about a product on this forum, to gain further knowledge and possible purchase of a product in hopes to continue to enhance my vaping experience, has been taken away from me and others in the group.

I have read the rules on registered suppliers and have found that if a registered supplier promotes their product they will have that post deleted and then banned from the forum. And yet I am researching what exactly was being promoted or what rules have been breached and have not come up with a conclusion.

I started a post not long ago regarding a product I am very interested in purchasing, and a registered supplier, whom was asked and invited to post by me was banned and deleted. I asked this individual to shed some light and answer any questions our group had on this product. I really don't get these rules here, and find that because of the censorship, people whom are interested in a product who actually came here to learn, may be left in the dust. This has come as quite a shock to me, and a dismay, as a forum like this should be used to educate on healthy living, great products as well as any information a person may need to make a sound and well educated decision when switching over from analogs to vaping. I have yet to decide whether or not I will stay on this forum because of it.

I figured, as a forum such as this, whom's soul purpose is to bring the world together where we can all help each other fight against the government whom is trying to ban ecigs altogether, be more healthy in our lives, and fight the nasty world of addiction together, prove to the world that there is a way to stop analogs completely and gain an amazing amount of knowledge on what will work best for individuals on the road to healthy living, that because of the censorship in our own Canadian forum, where freedom of speech in this country is somthing we boast about, I am now asking myself if this is a place I need to unsub from completely and move on.

I feel very concerned here with the rules and find that my rights have been violated. I believe in my whole heart, that this incident that has occurred was wronged in so many many ways. The moderators of this group, I feel, have over stepped their boundaries, and I feel it has taken away vital information that I as well as others, needed to improve the vaping experience. I believe the thousands of folks in the Canadian forum have been duped by the moderators from making rash, and misinformed decisions.

I am having a conversation outside this forum regarding this incident that may sway me to join another forum where free speech, and knowledge are shared freely and openly.

It is my wish that the mod who censored information explain why, and the purpose of the censorship so I may understand why these rules are put into place so stringently. I have also personally had other incidents where my freedom of speech on here has been challenged, thus prompting me to delete a thread as to not ruffle any feathers. I really have come to realize that the uncomfortable feeling I get here, is not worth my time or my well being. I hope this can come to a resolution and some understanding for me and any others that have participated in my thread regarding a new product on the market.

Thank you
 
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Elendil

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it is important to understand a couple of basic facts.

This is a privately owned forum. The right to "free speech" as you put it does not exist in the same way it exists in the first amendment or whatever the Canadian equivalent may be anymore then you have the right to stand in my living room and say whatever pops into your head. It is an important distinction that needs to be understood.

Regarding a supplier being banned, I am aware of the incident that you are describing. First, the member in question hadn't actually registered with us as a supplier. We have very stringent rules regarding the registration of suppliers and where they can and cannot post. This is done for the protection of our members. Imagine a forum where there were no restrictions on where suppliers could advertise or promote their product. If it were allowed unchecked the forum would become virtually unusable because you have to dig through advertisements or promotions to find useful information. All suppliers have multiple areas where they are allowed to discuss and promote their product without restriction.

The specific member you are referring to chose to close their accounts rather than register properly as a supplier. They were not banned by us, but chose to move on themselves.

Going forward, please feel free to message a member of the staff with your concerns as making these kind of accusations on the open forum without knowing all the facts rarely has a good outcome for anyone.
 

Danesnpits

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it is important to understand a couple of basic facts.

My response will be in pink

This is a privately owned forum. The right to "free speech" as you put it does not exist in the same way it exists in the first amendment or whatever the Canadian equivalent may be anymore then you have the right to stand in my living room and say whatever pops into your head. It is an important distinction that needs to be understood.

I understand that, but I do believe, that my point is, that the questions and answers in this group were being censored. It made no sense to me to remove posts that were knowledgable and educational. There was no flaming involved, or trolling, in fact this was a post to educate because as I mentioned, NO ONE in NORTH AMERICA sells this product that I am aware of.

Regarding a supplier being banned, I am aware of the incident that you are describing. First, the member in question hadn't actually registered with us as a supplier. We have very stringent rules regarding the registration of suppliers and where they can and cannot post. This is done for the protection of our members. Imagine a forum where there were no restrictions on where suppliers could advertise or promote their product. If it were allowed unchecked the forum would become virtually unusable because you have to dig through advertisements or promotions to find useful information. All suppliers have multiple areas where they are allowed to discuss and promote their product without restriction.


The specific member you are referring to chose to close their accounts rather than register properly as a supplier. They were not banned by us, but chose to move on themselves.

I did witness the person's profile, and if I am NOT MISTAKEN, it said registered supplier on his name. I was informed he was banned and deleted. If this person moved on, then thank you for clarifying that, but I would also like to mention then, that if a person moves on because the group censored a post, that really isn't helping anyone. For me, it made me realize that the effort someone puts in here to help others, is disregarded and disposed of in an untactfull and meaningless way. Can you imagine how this made the person feel? To put effort into helping shed light and educate. I guess I would leave to if that is what actually happened.


Going forward, please feel free to message a member of the staff with your concerns as making these kind of accusations on the open forum without knowing all the facts rarely has a good outcome for anyone.

I think there is alot of folks here that would like answers and perhaps publically putting it out there may shed some light. There were alot of folks interested and some that probably don't even post that are interested. If you choose to delete this thread that is fine and your prerogative to do so.
 

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If a supplier is interested in educating people on ECF,shouldnt he go about it in the proper way and register as a supplier so that people know that the are having a discussion with someone who stands to make money from said discussion?The rules are there for a reason.You cant pick and choose which rules you want to follow.It sounds to me that he chose to leave instead of following the rules.Thats his/her choice.I dont see the problem.Rules were broken,things were deleted and someone chose to leave instead of fixing or dealing with the issue.Right?
 

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Thank you for your post. The main reason I stated my opinion is because I am challenging the fact if any rules were broken or not. Post was deleted, and I have heard one person's side of the story already and now I am hearing the mod's side, which I specifically asked to hear. Thanks!


Yeah, there are usually reasons for deletions and the dreaded 'Moved On' but the mods here will answer your questions, you may not always like and/or agree with the answer but at least they will tell you what happened. Sorry to have been flip!:)
 

Danesnpits

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I am a little upset! I asked this person to come here to answer for us, and I do feel responsible for what happened because I asked him here. It was upsetting as I had only good intentions here and it was regarding a new product that Canada does not have! I am having a hard time understanding why it all went down the way it did. I know I may not necessarily agree with the answers given to me, but at least once I find out why the mod's do this, then it will help me and others in the future. I read the rules and everything and don't know why this happened as I don't know what we did to break the rules. I do like it here alot, I really do! I just had the initial reaction of why me? And why him? You know? It was all intended to be good and not bad! Oh well, we all must live and learn and learn from mistakes whether it is a mistake from a mod or from a forum member. Yes rules suck, and I hate them, but I do understand why they have to be in place. I just feel they were wronged and so needed the clarification for my own sanity. Hopefully the light will shine at the end of the tunnel.
 
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I am a little upset! I asked this person to come here to answer for us, and I do feel responsible for what happened because I asked him here. It was upsetting as I had only good intentions here and it was regarding a new product that Canada does not have! I am having a hard time understanding why it all went down the way it did. I know I may not necessarily agree with the answers given to me, but at least once I find out why the mod's do this, then it will help me and others in the future. I read the rules and everything and don't know why this happened as I don't know what we did to break the rules. I do like it here alot, I really do! I just had the initial reaction of why me? And why him? You know? It was all intended to be good and not bad! Oh well, we all must live and learn and learn from mistakes whether it is a mistake from a mod or from a forum member. Yes rules suck, and I hate them, but I do understand why they have to be in place. I just feel they were wronged and so needed the clarification for my own sanity. Hopefully the light will shine at the end of the tunnel.

Excellent. I like your response. We all "see" things from a different angle and I'm sure there have been times that if I were able to "see" a post from another angle, I would feel,think,decide,judge differently. Guess I'm glad I can't do that. Heck, it's hard enough from just my angle.
I just try to keep my back generously buffed and waxed so all the "stuff" that I do see will just roll off, cuz it sure ain't worth much anyway. My life is too short and I've been through way worse to let anything less get to me.

Ya'll have a good day .. and remember the people of Japan. What if it were us?
 

Mr.Self_Destruct

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Thank you for your post. The main reason I stated my opinion is because I am challenging the fact if any rules were broken or not. Post was deleted, and I have heard one person's side of the story already and now I am hearing the mod's side, which I specifically asked to hear. Thanks!

If you continue to challenge this, particularly in the open forum... you too will be "moved on"

Just sayin'

That's how it works.
 
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