Chargers: TrustFire TR-001 VS UltraFire WF-139

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I've been using a TR-001 on my 18650's and 18350's with no problems.
I just received my canceled order for a WF-139 which I ordered 2 months ago.
Doing some Google-ing I found that the cheaper TR-001 was pretty good and that the WF-139 had a couple of complaints that they overcharged the batteries.
TR-001 - 4.2v, 500ma. Takes several hours to charge.
WF-139 -4.2v, 450ma. It states that it is a Rapid Charger. Afraid to use it yet.

Anyone have any comments on these chargers?
 

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Thanks guys but I already have both chargers and was just trying to find out if any one new any issues with them. It would help out others looking for a charger if they had some insight first. I know there are better chargers but these two come up a lot when looking for chargers.
On a couple of Flashlight Forums, I read that there were 3 or 4 versions of the WF-139 over the past few years. Some mentioned that after completing a charge it would then trickle charge, leading to overcharging. The batteries when pulled from the charger were hot. Some said theirs were not hot. ? which version ? Now, I couldn't get specific answers on what version did what and if the final version fixed the issues. Also, couldn't find how to identify the versions.
Charge times are listed below although my TR-001 is a slow charger and takes 5 to 7hrs for an 18650 2400mah. The WF-139 is a Rapid Charger which I haven't tried yet. Still sitting on my desk. See Wikipedia's Rapid charger statement.

This came from Wikipedia Lithium-ion Battery:
Charging procedure

Stage 1: Apply charging current until the voltage limit per cell is reached.[48]

Stage 2: Apply maximum voltage per cell limit until the current declines below 3% of rated charge current.[48][unreliable source?]

Stage 3: Periodically apply a top-off charge about once per 500 hours.[48][unreliable source?]

The charge time is about three to five hours, depending on the charger used. Generally, cell phone batteries can be charged at 1C and laptop-types at 0.8C, where C is the current that would discharge the battery in one hour. Charging is usually stopped when the current goes below 0.03C but it can be left indefinitely depending on desired charging time. Some fast chargers skip stage 2 and claim the battery is ready at 70% charge.[48][unreliable source?] Laptop battery chargers sometimes gamble, and try to charge up to 4.35 V then disconnects the battery. This helps to compensate for the battery's internal resistance and charges up to 100% in short time.

Top-off charging is recommended when voltage goes below 4.05 V/cell.[48][unreliable source?]

Lithium-ion[which?] cells are charged with 4.2 ± 0.05 V/cell, except for military long-life cells where 3.92 V is used for extending battery life. Most protection circuits cut off if either 4.3 V or 90 °C is reached. If the voltage drops below 2.50 V per cell, the battery protection circuit may also render it unchargeable with regular charging equipment. Most battery protection circuits stop at 2.7–3.0 V per cell.[48][unreliable source?]

For safety reasons it is recommended the battery be kept at the manufacturer's stated voltage and current ratings during both charge and discharge cycles.
"End of Wikipedia's Quote"

Now.... this thread is to help others trying to decide. I'm happy with the cheap crappy TR-001. The only reason I have the WF-139 is because I ordered it 2 months ago, and after two weeks when it didn't even ship, I canceled a got a refund. And now after 9 weeks, it showed up at my door step.
Like I said before, I know there are better chargers. Just trying to get some info or comparisons on the two chargers mentioned above.
Thank You Guys. Appreciate all your views.
 

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I've been using a TR-001 on my 18650's and 18350's with no problems.
I just received my canceled order for a WF-139 which I ordered 2 months ago.
Doing some Google-ing I found that the cheaper TR-001 was pretty good and that the WF-139 had a couple of complaints that they overcharged the batteries.
TR-001 - 4.2v, 500ma. Takes several hours to charge.
WF-139 -4.2v, 450ma. It states that it is a Rapid Charger. Afraid to use it yet.

Anyone have any comments on these chargers?

I have been using the WF-139 for about a year now to recharge my Trustfire 14500 and 18650's with no problems...they come out of the charger at around 4.1 to 4.2 volts every time. Have had the same 4 batteries the same amount of time.
 

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Breaktru glad to know it all worked out. hey, isn't the wf-188 supposed to be good too? i wanted that one but took the deal on the aw's + charger at the cpf marketplace. hope it doesn't take too long to get here.

Thanks tybin. wf-188 is 3.2v to 3.7v and 5 bucks more than the wf-139 for the 3.7v only charger. That's all I know. Is it better? If your loaded, for 47 bucks you can get the pila IBC
I guess my main concern when I started this thread was that my house didn't burn down with my batteries on an overnight charge.
 

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Thanks tybin. wf-188 is 3.2v to 3.7v and 5 bucks more than the wf-139 for the 3.7v only charger. That's all I know. Is it better? If your loaded, for 47 bucks you can get the pila IBC
I guess my main concern when I started this thread was that my house didn't burn down with my batteries on an overnight charge.

If you want to be able to leave the batteries in after a charge without worrying about overcharge, buy a Pila. With any of the others, I would not leave them unattended and would remove the batteries immediately after charging. Sure, there will be plenty of anecdotal "Works for me" posts about the others, but also some horror stories about the others. It is that one time in a thousand that will get you. If you really want to be safe, get a Pila.
 

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Just recieved (2) 18650, 3000mah UltraFire batteries in the mail today. Okay... I decided to give the UltraFire WF-139 a try. Guess what! The batteries do not fit. I squeezed them in as hard as I could and the positive end is sticking up and will barely make contact. I pushed and pushed and finally got the red charge lights to light.
As stated, to charge RCR123's a spacer is required. The spacer needed is 1/2" long. That's a lot of spacers. Some say to use a nut and bolt. I will use rare earth strong magnets.

The Trustfire charger adjusts fine to both the 18650 and the 18350 without cramming or spacers.

Update: the 18650's completed in the UltraFire. They were precharged at 3.7 and came off the charger at 4.17 and 4.18.
Now, I put in the 18350's that were at 3.6v before charging, and after 1 minute one battery stop charging.
I then put them in the TrustFire charger and are now charging for the last 15 minutes.
 
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