Charging batteries in a bag

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MickeyRat

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I'll agree that the added security is a little overkill but, my wife uses a Buzz Pro and I use a VV Woodvil. Those devices have plenty of battery protection built in. So, I use the Powerizers that Notcigs tested and found to perform best. They aren't IMR and they aren't protected. Sometimes they get left on the charger while we sleep. A little added security doesn't bother me a bit. I use a charging bag and I do check them with a voltmeter when they come off the charger.
 

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I had a later model Hangsen ECHO 650mah battery explode and catch fire on me just earlier today. Luckily I was in the room when it happened, very close by, but not too close. It scared the hell out of me. The little fire caused by the explosion was easily put out with a nearby glass of water, but my carpet where the hot battery innards blew out onto (after ricocheting off my bed mattress) has some bad scorch marks that can never fully be cleaned. The carpet basically melted where it got burned, in two directions. I will eventually have to completely replace that section of the carpet. The charging battery that exploded had been in its charger overnight, which is not an unusual practice for me. Previously I had used m402 batteries without any kind of issue, ever, so this is a new and scary issue for me. My wife is still scared of these now, and obviously she is pretty upset about the carpet, and my e-cigarette habit in general. We had just got new bedroom furniture, and we also have a baby on the way (in a few months).

I think putting the charger on a 3 hour auto-cutoff timer, or something like that (depending on your battery charge times), is an excellent idea. I've been wondering what preventative measures I need to take about this issue, and was coming up pretty empty handed until now. I'm still not sure about the charging bag idea (someone else had recently recommended the idea after hearing what just happened to me), as I'm not all that sure the bag would contain the exploding battery innards very well. When my charging battery went off, the battery innards exploded out of it with quite a bit of force, and a nice loud "what the hell just happened" bang to go along with it. The upstairs smoke detectors did go off, so that is something, but if I wasn't home at the time...things could have turned out disastrously worse. For safety, some preventive measures should always be taken when charging these batteries, at least the higher performance fat ones like the ECHO, Ego, etc.

I wrote my domestic ECHO parts supplier, as well as the battery manufacturer, Hangsen. (I haven't heard back much from either of them yet, though at least the domestic supplier did give me direct contact info for the manufacturer, Hangsen.) I also took some pictures of the damage which I have posted elsewhere on the forum, under the big ECHO thread, Part 2. The only other advice I've had so far (other than quitting using e-cigs entirely, from my wife) has been to get and use these charging bags. Any other advice or ideas would be very welcome. The bags are not a complete answer at all. This seems to be a pretty important e-cigarette subject matter that gets very little attention. Hopefully, that is just because this sort of thing doesn't happen very often (knock on wood), but I certainly can't ignore the issue and say "that will never happen to me" anymore. Heck, before this happened I had never even heard of this happening before. It really caught me off guard, and now I'm paying the price for it. This can definitely ruin your day if you are unprepared for it.
 

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For greater battery charging safety I ordered a Belkin Conserve Socket F7C009q Energy-Saving Outlet (which has a 1/2 hour, 3 hour and 6 hour power auto-cutoff timer switch on it), plus one Integy Large LiPO Guard Charging Bag INTC22532 (11.7 x 9 x 0.4 inches), and one Cables to Go 1.5 ft 1 to 4 Power Cord Splitter (to run from the Belkin outlet plug power auto-shutoff timer into the LiPO bag for multiple battery charging). All of these items cost only about $5 to $10 a piece on Amazon, which wasn't a bad deal at all with free Super Saver Shipping (Amazon Prime). They are all also fairly compact and portable for use when traveling, at a hotel or wherever else. I will charge my ECHO batteries in that bag with the timer set to shutoff automatically after 3 hours (which is sufficient for the newer ECH 650mAh batteries and chargers). That will be in my kitchen, where everything is tile, both the counter top and floor, but I will also have the bag sitting in a small metal baking pan - for extra protection. I think that will be a pretty safe setup that will work well for charging 650mAh ECHO batteries.

I also bought another black 650mAh battery today, from a different supplier, as (interestingly enough) my other supplier is not selling this type of battery anymore - at least not for now, though that supplier still sells that model size's e-cigarette starter kits. I also got a few extra dual-coil cartomizers, which I like quite a bit - though they are not all that different in overall performance compared to the standard single-coil ECHO cartomizers. The single-coils are milder in throat hit & vapor production, but more e-juice flavor comes through.

Doing all that makes me feel quite a bit better, but I was (and still am) depressed about the damage to my bedroom carpet. Because of that, I used a Dremel tool and several different grinding tips (using scissors would have taken too long) to grind the hard burnt pieces of carpet down to fresh, cleaner carpet, then rewashed the whole area, finishing with several vacuum passes. I even used a bit of bleach to try and lighten some of the areas of carpet darkened by smoke. The results were far from perfect, but now the spot looks more like something of an old spilled drink stain, rather than something scorched with a torch. The area of damage is over a foot long, so it will sadly always be noticeable, and be a constant reminder of that terrible day when the battery blew up, but it doesn't look nearly as bad as it used to. I'll see what I can find out about maybe some other methods of getting the smoke stains out better. Lesson learned, eh?

Many people use much larger/longer PV batteries, at least up to 1300mAh, and even larger. I don't think it is practical for those that are charging batteries that size, that take several hours to recharge (overnight?), to be constantly monitoring the charging battery's status and condition. Even if one were to notice that a charging battery was seriously overheating, I for one don't think I would try to grab it and unplug it, as it might go off in my hand - which would be bad news in itself. Some kind of more extensive safety precautions are a must, like using the LiPO charging bags, power plug auto-cutoff timers, and whatever else helps assure greater safety. Having a fire extinguisher and fire blanket handy isn't a bad idea either, and you should probably have those around in your house anyway - especially near your kitchen.

My wife was a little disappointed that I didn't decide to quit using e-cigarettes entirely after this incident, but I am cutting back on their use, and my last order of e-liquids were all made in the next nicotine level down from what I usually order and use. I've only just recently switched over to using the ECHO from using m402 gear (which I had used fairly satisfactorily for quite a long time), and I find the throat hit increase from just using the higher performance ECHO to be great enough that I really don't need as much nicotine in my e-liquids anymore. So that is something at least, eh?
 
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