Cigarettes banned in jails: Taxpayers to pay more than $2 million in nicotine patches

[nicnik]

These are places where people are under some form of control.
And for the Nannys to use that framework to insert their agenda is indeed more than monstrous.

I agree. Opportunistic, and destructive in a numbers ways, including a further attack on THR, along with propping up less than effective NRT, and supportive of greed.

 

[AndriaD]

These are places where people are under some form of control.
And for the Nannys to use that framework to insert their agenda is indeed more than monstrous.

But I do have a word for it, and that word is evil.
And it's even worse than that when they pretend to do it for the good of the subjugated.

I'm not sure there is a worse word than "evil" but if there is, then it applies here.

Completely agree.

Here we go:

Evil:
profoundly immoral and malevolent.
"his evil deeds"
synonyms: wicked,bad,wrong,immoral,sinful,foul,vile,dishonorable,corrupt,iniquitous,depraved,reprobate,villainous,nefarious,vicious,malicious

• harmful or tending to harm.
  "the evil effects of high taxes"
  synonyms: cruel,mischievous,pernicious,malignant,malign,baleful,vicious

The underlined are my choice. It's just hard to find something *strong* enough to describe the monstrousness of making any of those places smoke-free, and then being PROUD of it!

Andria

 

[DC2]

I agree. Opportunistic, and destructive in a numbers ways, including a further attack on THR, along with propping up less than effective NRT, and supportive of greed.

I was more thinking along the lines of their lack of caring, sympathy, and empathy.
But yeah, what you said too.

 

[nicnik]

It's just hard to find something *strong* enough to describe the monstrousness of making any of those places smoke-free, and then being PROUD of it!

Except Bill believes it's the right thing. I don't see him as being evil.

 

[nicnik]

I was more thinking along the lines of their lack of caring, sympathy, and empathy.

Yeah, that too.

 

[AndriaD]

Except Bill believes it's the right thing. I don't see him as being evil.

Just because he believes it's the right thing, doesn't make it so. It's the right thing for HIM... but certainly not for anyone who actually has to be incarcerated in any of those places.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Settlers in North America thought it was the right thing to massacre and dispossess those who already lived here.

Andria

 

[DC2]

Except Bill believes it's the right thing. I don't see him as being evil.

I don't believe I've ever seen Bill advocate for smoke-free jails, mental health facilities, or elderly facilities?

 

[stevegmu]

I hope no vaping bans ever become jailable offenses. Could that happen in places with 3 strike laws?

No. 3 strike laws deal with felonies...

 

[nicnik]

I don't believe I've ever seen Bill advocate for smoke-free jails, mental health facilities, or elderly facilities?

See Bill's post on the previous page.

 

[Kent C]

Settlers in North America thought it was the right thing to massacre and dispossess those who already lived here.

Andria

Mostly in self-defense.

 

[Kent C]

I don't believe I've ever seen Bill advocate for smoke-free jails, mental health facilities, or elderly facilities?

I'm guessing all three but the one - he's already mentioned.

 

[Kent C]

No. 3 strike laws deal with felonies...

with another substance - possession with a previous possession offense:
Any amount (subsequent offense) misdemeanor or felony 90 days* - 3 years

So 4 strikes and you're out. :- )

 

[caramel]

Mostly in self-defense.

 

[Kent C]

Like in the French Indian War.... where the British helped out, then formed Canada

 

[caramel]

Like in the French Indian War.... where the British helped out, then formed Canada

Allegedly it was a little bit different, the British helped with drawing the map then the French claimed the land.

After which everybody battled everyone else, all in self defense.

 

[AndriaD]

Mostly in self-defense.

Umm... pushing them off their land so white people could live on it wasn't self-defense. It was arrogant theft, because those natives were "heathens." I'm white myself (at least 90% anyway), but the egregious behavior of white people toward all other races all thru history makes me ashamed.

Andria

 

[Kent C]

Umm... pushing them off their land so white people could live on it wasn't self-defense. It was arrogant theft, because those natives were "heathens." I'm white myself (at least 90% anyway), but the egregious behavior of white people toward all other races all thru history makes me ashamed.

Andria

That whole history has been rewritten by the those who take advantage and define the "victims" in our country in order to get their votes mainly. Some of what you say is true, some was true self-defense. This wasn't some nirvana pre-Mayflower - they warred against other tribes before we got here (and after). Our biggest mistake was not to make them full citizens. But that, like slavery, was a British mistake. We inherited it, and eventually solved the slavery issue but we still live with it today by the same "victim creators" mentioned above.

I don't know how effective TCers/THRers were on reservations and casinos. Anyway, back to jails....do not pass go...